Himmler, to use an example, found his actual visits to the Camps and the then common method of execution (shooting) to be ghastly, and corrossive to SS Morale. Heydrich , on the other hand just plain didn't give a shit.
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He also led the Wannesee conference and just looking at the written records (let alone watching Conspiracy) is chilling. Some other Nazi's saw what they were doing as chilling or even horrific (not that it stopped them agreeing). Heydrich treated it like a business meeting and a simple logistical task. Much like Eichmann he's worse simply because he sees murder not as a calling or a necessity but as a job and one he's good at. Worse as you say he had his feet on the ground and if not for forgetting to read the evil overlord list in Prague that day he might have prolonged the war simply because he's so competent.
That might be true, but I seriously doubt every person are all just going to agree that "Hitler was justified in order to bring about a better world".
There are people who have personally lost practically everything to the Nazis and for someone to say that....they just simply won't agree, in my opinion. If there was any scenario where Hitler is gone and their loved ones would come back, they would probably take it, even if it means that kind of evil remains in the alt world.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
This one man caused TTL the destruction of not just millions of people, but the entire Old World. Paris is a ruin, Moscow and St. Petersburg are brutalist wastelands, and nothing remains of centuries of Jewish life in where it once proliferated. No man deserves a horrible death more, besides his equally vile subordinates.
But none of the A4 look in the mirror and asks themselves whether their actions in the pursuit of peace are in any way justified.
They simply yell "Nazi" and drops rocks on Stettin.
Hitler is indeed very very hated ITTL. In OTL some says that Stalin was worse but ITTL hardly anyone says such things. No one other conqueror in history hasn't caused such suffer and destruction before Hitler. Not even Attila or Genghis Khan. Nazis indeed wiped all large cities of Russia like these wouldn't had ever been. They too destroyed Jewish culture like there wouldn't had been any Jew.
And not only nazis destoryed cities and genocided people, they too eternally tainted reputation Germany and Germans. Germany can't just be ever restored.
And not only nazis destoryed cities and genocided people, they too eternally tainted reputation Germany and Germans. Germany can't just be ever restored.
Kaltembrunner was holding dinners where he described, in detail and to the dusgust of his subordinates, the various methods of exterminations such as hanging, shooting and gas chambers he personally saw demonstrated in camps.
I’ve read of claims that he wasn’t ‘normal’, or functional downstairs. Basically, he wouldn’t be able to perform the act and may have had some very odd tastes.
A good question is who was the highest ranking Nazi to be tried after the Hot War was over. IOTL it was Goering.
There are any number of stories involving Hitler and his sex life (or lack thereof). All of them have plenty of circumstantial evidence (which is really baffling bemuse most of the contradict the others). So he may have been a impotent virgin incestious manipulator who drove his lovers to suicide asexual sexually ambigious homophobic pederast.
Place your bets and spin the wheel. Whatever answer comes up it likely to be wrong.
Well its never been implied Eva slept around so either she was asexual, he satisfied her somehow or she was very scared. As there is no evidence of the latter I'd assume he pleased her somehow (or she got herself off at the thought of a powerful man).
There were three types of monsters involved in the extermination, those who obeyed orders, those who saw it as just a job...and the ones who seem to have enjoyed it. The middle one's are probably the most dangerous since men like Eichmann made the genocide "efficient" and probably added a huge amount to the death toll. Men like Kaltenbrunner are three's, they may not have even cared about the ideology they just...enjoyed...seeing people (or making people) dead.
In AANW millions of people were forced to raze major Slavic cities like Moscow, Leningrad and Warsaw. How large of a German guard force would be needed to oversee this (specifically an individual city)?
As an OTL comparison Auschwitz had a guard to prison ratio of 1:35 and the Reich managed to watch over up to 400,000 Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto with less than 1,000 German troops and around 2,500 Jewish police (though they weren’t being forced to demolish the area).
As an OTL comparison Auschwitz had a guard to prison ratio of 1:35 and the Reich managed to watch over up to 400,000 Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto with less than 1,000 German troops and around 2,500 Jewish police (though they weren’t being forced to demolish the area).
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I don’t know if this has been asked before up but I’m still gonna go ahead and ask.
What happened to American civil rights? Are they still around? Or have they been placed on hold during the interwar period?
What happened to American civil rights? Are they still around? Or have they been placed on hold during the interwar period?
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I'm guessing with the war being over, many German troops were freed up for that process, and many German civilians could've been enticed to participate in exchange for someone's house and farmland.
On top of the "Germanizable" collaborators and simply people willing to work for an occupier for a tiny ration of food.
It is important to note that many Jews had NO idea what was in store for them until it was far too late to put up meaningful resistance. Remember that in the 1930s, dictatorship was not as reviled as it was today, and so people really didn't see the need for disobedience.
When Jews rose up, it was certainly a brave effort, but they lacked the resources and foods to put up anything but a token resistance.
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Accelerated. At least one chapter mentions that due to manpower issues (and being allied with the Philippines and Vietnam) segregation was killed stone dead in the mid 40's. Then 20 years of almost every man born between 1920-1942 serving at least a few years in an intergrated military rather ironed out racism issues when they actually had to spend time with blacks (often in a foxhole).
Finally the holocaust and Slavic extermination are public knowledge very early and the A4 defines itself by not being the Nazi's which adds another reason racism has to go and they spent 21 years making it happen.
End result is the current A4 rule "Be good or we kill you." At best they're good is not nice and enforcement of equality and decency is done at nuke point (rod point in later years).
Also there was no "interwar period" the warm war still involved alot of fighting but both sides agreed to refrain from attacking cities. The U-Boat war was as bad as ever and the Allies were supplying the Russian partisans lots of bullets to make Nazi's miserable. It was the kind of peace you get when both sides have run out of guns and need to build more, no more than that and whatever the inciting incident it was always going to resume fully at some point.
He was supposed to be fully focused on the future of the Reich, with no distractions. Part of why he had the lights on in his office kept on at night even when he was sleeping, or How propaganda said he was a vegetarian and teatoller. He ate sausage and drank beer. A lot of stuff is just propaganda, where rather than him doing what Mussolini did and pose for pictures with a shovel, he went a different route in giving himself an aura of leadership and destiny. Also, Eva would stay in his bedroom when guests came to visit during their relationship. So she was a minor secret that people who knew about it didn’t blab about.
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The problem with this speculation about Hitler's sexuality is that it tries to frame the horrors he unleashed on the world as the product of some twisted madness.
In real life, you don't need to be a psychopath to unleash evil onto others.
Again, you don't need to be psychopath to have done the deed. You could've been easily convinced the victims were just deserving of it.
All of the numerous atrocities, bloodbaths and horrors in history are performed in the name of greater causes by normal sane people who believe they’re doing the right and necessary thing rather than out of sadism, greed, psychopathy, revenge etc.
Hitler and his followers genuinely believed what they did was right. The same goes for Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Tojo and any other murderous political entity that’s ever existed even if there was no explicit ideology behind it.
Here’s a quote from Arthur Koestler:
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One of Mussolini's bigger secrets was supposed to be his crippling addiction to milk and crackers. As in he supposedly ate multiple pounds of the combo a day often being the only thing he ate. Supposedly the terrible diet really fucked up his stomach but he just kept at it.
That and having his own son from his first marriage forcibly hospitalized in a mental asylum and then murdered.
Supposedly much better. They mention in one of the post war chapters that the first black POTUS was elected in the late 1980's I think. And that at the time the biggest controversy by far was the fact that he was the first POTUS since like the early 1950's who had served in the European War.