The Anglo/American - Nazi War - The on-going mystery

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I have to agree! And thanks Calbear for the answer.:)

One has to wonder how long it would have taken and how many more lives would have been sacrificed for Hitler to have his "super city."
Well, he had the population of the rest of Eastern Europe to utilize. THe Reich was never going to permanently settle just for what it had managed to conquer so far. Hitler believed that a state either continues to aggressively expand or it get soft and the next stronger player wipes it out.
 
They never really "cleared" Berlin to that degree. They went in, crushed any resistance, evaced all those who would leave, and sealed it off. Way too unheathy to spend the sort of time it would take to do the sort or clearing and investigation that would be needed.

Place is a death zone and will be for centuries.
"'He would save Germany', they said. 'He would make us great', they said. He not only let us to ruin, he made a Germany a curse worse than any previous scourge in history. "

Well, he had the population of the rest of Eastern Europe to utilize. THe Reich was never going to permanently settle just for what it had managed to conquer so far. Hitler believed that a state either continues to aggressively expand or it get soft and the next stronger player wipes it out.
And that was the fatal flaw of Nazism: either you keeping winning, or you inevitably bite off more than you can chew.

One has to wonder how long it would have taken and how many more lives would have been sacrificed for Hitler to have his "super city."
The Nazis planned to leave alive just enough Slavs to be a slave labor force that could serve the Reich. According to Himmler, they wouldn't be taught anything that didn't involve being a servant.
 
They never really "cleared" Berlin to that degree. They went in, crushed any resistance, evaced all those who would leave, and sealed it off. Way too unheathy to spend the sort of time it would take to do the sort or clearing and investigation that would be needed.

Place is a death zone and will be for centuries.
The truly vile thing is that makes it an even more apt monument to Nazism than Germania ever would have been, a ruined city built on a pile of corpses, and even if they can't really go and check directly, it won't be hard to guess how many died for a mad monument to a mad man.
 
The truly vile thing is that makes it an even more apt monument to Nazism than Germania ever would have been, a ruined city built on a pile of corpses, and even if they can't really go and check directly, it won't be hard to guess how many died for a mad monument to a mad man.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Ozymandias.
 

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A more apt inscription would be from an anonymous source engraved in the infamous "steps of death" at Mauthausen Concentration Camp

"O Germany, a blight on your mother! What have you done to your children?"
 
They never really "cleared" Berlin to that degree. They went in, crushed any resistance, evaced all those who would leave, and sealed it off. Way too unheathy to spend the sort of time it would take to do the sort or clearing and investigation that would be needed.

Place is a death zone and will be for centuries.
What about later exploration with robots? For archeology''s sake at least, and it would give a Mars Rover vibe.
 
A more apt inscription would be from an anonymous source engraved in the infamous "steps of death" at Mauthausen Concentration Camp

"O Germany, a blight on your mother! What have you done to your children?"
German nationalism is probably going to be seen as the worst thing that ever happened.
 
Well, he had the population of the rest of Eastern Europe to utilize. THe Reich was never going to permanently settle just for what it had managed to conquer so far. Hitler believed that a state either continues to aggressively expand or it get soft and the next stronger player wipes it out.
So once it ate Poland and the Soviet Union up to the Urals plus sucking the rest of the USSR dry, then what? Do the same thing in the Low Countries? France? The Balkans? Italy? Or pick on a new nation? When were they projecting to expand again?
 
What about later exploration with robots? For archeology''s sake at least, and it would give a Mars Rover vibe.
Honestly my take is no one really wants to know. Berlin is a dead city, and no one really wants to go digging into the past. Even more so with the bio weapons still around the city. IIRC Calbear has stated those guarding the city regularly shoot at birds just because they might be carrying something out of the city. So digging, even with a rover would most likely be a no go.
 

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So once it ate Poland and the Soviet Union up to the Urals plus sucking the rest of the USSR dry, then what? Do the same thing in the Low Countries? France? The Balkans? Italy? Or pick on a new nation? When were they projecting to expand again?
South.

Turkey, Middle East, SW Asia.

East again, rest of USSR (which would be a hollow shell by then) into China and SEA.

Then the Western Hemisphere. Possibly split Africa with Italy for being a good Fascist Toady.
 
South.

Turkey, Middle East, SW Asia.

East again, rest of USSR (which would be a hollow shell by then) into China and SEA.

Then the Western Hemisphere. Possibly split Africa with Italy for being a good Fascist Toady.
How many of these plans were undercover by the A4/India during the aftermath of the fall of the Reich? And how much did they wonder were they straight up crazy, or just high?
 
How many of these plans were undercover by the A4/India during the aftermath of the fall of the Reich? And how much did they wonder were they straight up crazy, or just high?
Well, considering the Nazi tendency toward meticulous record keeping (which how OTL we have so much knowledge of the Nazi designs for Europe), it is possible A LOT was found.

And well, considering the Nazis managed to empty much of the Northern European plain, those plans wouldn't sound crazy.
 
@CalBear , what effects would Nazi depravity have on popular culture?

Is the tendency of "darker and edgier" stronger than OTL? Would Hollywood movies be less willing to show happy endings? Or would the horrors of war lead to the creation of more "uplifting" entertainment as a coping mechanism for this era of monstrosity?
 
I don't think these warlords can afford totalitarism. They are too poor for the supervision needed.
Yes, but my point is, they would implement it if they could.

TTL Soviet Russia seems like the closest thing to a real world Apokolips:

A land of tyranny and utter despair. Where even if you get rid of the evil dictator, the various factions who once ruled the country will just have a civil war over who gets to be the next evil dictator.

This is what Marxism-Leninism has devolved into ITTL. You can almost pity Lenin for what his ideals have devolved into.
 
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