The Anglo/American - Nazi War - The on-going mystery

[Gillan1220]

You still have a variant of Woodland, although it is closer to what you might see duck/turkey/upland waterfowl hunters use.

Ah man of culture, I see. Duck hunter camo is drip.

So I'd imagine the modern U.S. Army or Marine infantryman would look like this:

I'm sure the M1A1 Select Fire Rifle (OTL: M14) is still standard issue in ATL 2024. Unless Eugene Stoner still designs the AR-15 and an ATL equivalent of the M16 still comes to pass.

So digital patterns are butterflied away due to the lack of modern warfare scenarios here?

 

[JamesHunter]

Ah man of culture, I see. Duck hunter camo is drip.

So I'd imagine the modern U.S. Army or Marine infantryman would look like this:

I'm sure the M1A1 Select Fire Rifle (OTL: M14) is still standard issue in ATL 2024. Unless Eugene Stoner still designs the AR-15 and an ATL equivalent of the M16 still comes to pass.

So digital patterns are butterflied away due to the lack of modern warfare scenarios here?

The M14 is next to useless (to powerful to aim on full auto) so it's still getting replaced although butterflies may see something other than the M16 get the nod.

 

[Gillan1220]

The M14 is next to useless (to powerful to aim on full auto) so it's still getting replaced although butterflies may see something other than the M16 get the nod.

It M1A1 SFR (M14) was the main rifle of the U.S. Army and the Marines during the Second Phase of the World War II. It replaced the M1 Garand and the M1 Carbine, but just like in OTL 1950s-60s, those Garands were still in use in limited quantities.

Maybe an M16 or AR-10/AR-18 Analogue would suffice.

Maybe we get a Wooden M16 like the fictional service rifle of the New California Republic seen in FallOut: New Vegas.

That depends if Eugene Stoner still made an analogue rifle in TTL.

 

[Pax_Nihil]

It M1A1 SFR (M14) was the main rifle of the U.S. Army and the Marines during the Second Phase of the World War II. It replaced the M1 Garand and the M1 Carbine, but just like in OTL 1950s-60s, those Garands were still in use in limited quantities.

Maybe an M16 or AR-10/AR-18 Analogue would suffice.

Maybe we get a Wooden M16 like the fictional service rifle of the New California Republic seen in FallOut: New Vegas.

That depends if Eugene Stoner still made an analogue rifle in TTL.

Or the StG-44 is back-engineered and made better like an American equivalent to the original AK-47

 

[David Ritz]

What happened to Nazi philosopher Alfred Rosenberg in this TL?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg

 

[Johannes Parisiensis]

What happened to Nazi philosopher Alfred Rosenberg in this TL?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg

He might have kept serving as Minister for the East while publishing tomes and volumes on Nazi theory, trying to keep it afloat with the incoming disaster.

 

[Gillan1220]

What happened to Nazi philosopher Alfred Rosenberg in this TL?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg

He might have kept serving as Minister for the East while publishing tomes and volumes on Nazi theory, trying to keep it afloat with the incoming disaster.

I'm curious if he survived the Allied crusade on Germany? Or if he was killed by the Poles who wanted revenge.

I don't see him surviving past the Allied occupation of Germany.

 

[Lalli]

Even if Rosenberg survived from The war he would had been trialed and hanged.

 

[Gillan1220]

Even if Rosenberg survived from The war he would had been trialed and hanged.

Or lynched by the oppressed peoples by the Reich.

 

[Tsar Nicholas The Cringe]

Or lynched by the oppressed peoples by the Reich.

Even if Rosenberg survived from The war he would had been trialed and hanged.

I wonder if Rosenberg’s writings have led to really formidable hate speech laws. One lesson of Nazism is that words can be as evil as bombs or knives.

 

[TickTock The Witch's Dead]

Did any other Axis governments like Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, and other Nazi puppet governments faced any similar punishments like the Nazis? Obviously they may not have to go through ruthless balkanization, but I also believe that the Allies would be very keen on ruthlessly punishing them and forcing them to reckon with their actions similar to OTL Germany.

 

[Pax_Nihil]

Did any other Axis governments like Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, and other Nazi puppet governments faced any similar punishments like the Nazis? Obviously they may not have to go through ruthless balkanization, but I also believe that the Allies would be very keen on ruthlessly punishing them and forcing them to reckon with their actions similar to OTL Germany.

Presumably the A4 just supported the most important powerful factions of the Balkans that had been used to kowtowing to the Nazis and now would be keen on emulation for the support it would bring as the new governments only real lifeline since IIRC this timeline didn't have any real equivalent of the Marshall Plan.

 

[naraht]

I simply assume that any German who iOtl was a member of the Nazi Party was killed (either Judically or extra-Judicially) within 2 years of the fall of Berlin with a *few* possible exceptions like Cécil von Renthe-Fink or maybe Georg Ferdinand Duckwitz if things go somewhat like otl.

 

[TickTock The Witch's Dead]

Presumably the A4 just supported the most important powerful factions of the Balkans that had been used to kowtowing to the Nazis and now would be keen on emulation for the support it would bring as the new governments only real lifeline since IIRC this timeline didn't have any real equivalent of the Marshall Plan.

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Wouldn't the A4 want the factions that kowtowed to the Nazis gone?

 

[Pax_Nihil]

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Wouldn't the A4 want the factions that kowtowed to the Nazis gone?

Yes and the people who get themselves organized and in control on the ground in thode countries are likely to be a mix (by necessity) of lower high-level and upper mid-level management types who know the way to keep a functioning state going for the new leadersn who will quickly put on trial the worse of those exact sycophants who thought that what they're doing would absolve them of any guilt when really the most they're going to be helpful is as sacrifices in the name of the "greater goodc because it'll be hard tl honestly tell if the trials will be legitimately fair. But as long as they seem proper enough and the public back home doesn't have any fits the A4 won't care how thorough the job is done de-Nazifying their societies so long as the ones that got away never ever EVER mention the fact that they did get away. That'd ruin everything lol

 

[Lalli]

Did any other Axis governments like Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, and other Nazi puppet governments faced any similar punishments like the Nazis? Obviously they may not have to go through ruthless balkanization, but I also believe that the Allies would be very keen on ruthlessly punishing them and forcing them to reckon with their actions similar to OTL Germany.

Probably at least high-level leaders would face consueqences.

 

[Tsar Nicholas The Cringe]

Did any other Axis governments like Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, and other Nazi puppet governments faced any similar punishments like the Nazis? Obviously they may not have to go through ruthless balkanization, but I also believe that the Allies would be very keen on ruthlessly punishing them and forcing them to reckon with their actions similar to OTL Germany.

Probably at least high-level leaders would face consueqences.

Considering how long and how many resources would be needed to occupy so much of Europe, especially with the Nazis blowing huge chunks of it to bits, the Allies had to let the "smaller fish" off the hook as way of cutting costs.

It is really depressing that a bunch of Iron Guard goons, who tore Jews apart with KNIVES, could've been let off the hook because the crimes of Germany make them seem insignificant.

 

[Lalli]

Considering how long and how many resources would be needed to occupy so much of Europe, especially with the Nazis blowing huge chunks of it to bits, the Allies had to let the "smaller fish" off the hook as way of cutting costs.

It is really depressing that a bunch of Iron Guard goons, who tore Jews apart with KNIVES, could've been let off the hook because the crimes of Germany make them seem insignificant.

Democratic governments could very well put leadership of Iron Guard/Arrow Cross/Ustache etc. to trial or hand their former leaders to Allies.

And if A4 wants do with them something they can use other ways deal with criminals.

 

[Tsar Nicholas The Cringe]

Democratic governments could very well put leadership of Iron Guard/Arrow Cross/Ustache etc. to trial or hand their former leaders to Allies.

And if A4 wants do with them something they can use other ways deal with criminals.

But prosecuting so many war criminals is nevertheless an exhausting and soul-crushing task: reading about how so many Europeans sold their souls to Fascist butchery damages your faith in so many things.

 

[Lalli]

But prosecuting so many war criminals is nevertheless an exhausting and soul-crushing task: reading about how so many Europeans sold their souls to Fascist butchery damages your faith in so many things.

It would be indeed too much chase every low-level byreocrat, soldier and police and it would be too really impractical since they are needed. But leadership almost certainly would still be prosecuted.

Or then another option is some kind of post-Aparthaid style Truth and Reconciliation Comission. But it is certain that such characters like Antonesce, Szálasi and Pavelic (if survived from the war) are not allowed to run around.