The Anglo/American - Nazi War - The on-going mystery

Very much so.

As was discussed several times, there are persistent rumors that their are vast stores of Gold, diamonds, and other wealth that was squirreled away by the Nazi and stored in both areas. These are backed up by plenty of second hand, and occasional first hand reporting, making the containment zones very tempting for a certain sort of fortune hunter. There are also the same sort of half baked conspiracy theories as exist today (including Aliens, a deal between the A4 and Aliens is one of the favored "alternate" explanation for why no one else is allowed to launch rockets into orbit).

The Guard Force does everything possible to intercept individuals or even the rare small group trying to breach the Wall. Mostly they succeed. Some really unlucky fools manage to get past all the containment measures and get into the ruins.

To date, no one is know to have ever managed to get back out. Once in, there you remain. The guard force has been know to drop in food, if the individual(s) show themselves, but no one gets out. Ever.

Most of them die fairly quicklyy from one or more of the various lethal threats inside. The ones who try to climb or dig? The "Lethal Force Authorized" signs, in about 25 languages, that are on every road, every path, and broadcast/announced on a regular basis are not for show. It is one of relatively few policies that just about everyone in Europe, including the Statelets, supports without hesitation.
Yeesh, at some point you’d imagine that at least the treasure hunters would be like “okay, literally a HUNDRED expeditions were stopped trying to enter or died shortly after entering, MAYBE we could try digging in Poland for Nazi gold?”
Oh lord, imagine if someone tried the “Let’s all Naruto Run into Area 51” thing…
 

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Future of A4 is indeed intresting. Already that pandemic will cause lot of chaos and since A4 hardly is sharing vaccines for everyone/some antivax groups would cause hard opposition to A4. And there would be lot of riots around the world. I doubt that A4 is able to deal all with that. Furthermore there is going to be millions refugees from that what was China. And yes, even if people wouldn't love Chinese very much anymore they would are really horrified about acts of A4.

And don't forgot what kind of climate effects destrouction fo China with WMDs would has. That all of dust on athmosphere would cause as severe nuclear winter what was caused by K/T Impact which killed non-avian dinosaurs. Humanity would survive but there would be lot of crop failures and famines. A4 probably would survive but the world would be extremely divided.
The A4 would be dropping vaccine by air to the entire planet, if it could develop it and produce it in any quantity, as would India.

There really isn't an anti-vax movement that comes close to OTL in the ATL. The nightmare that was late war Europe rather focused attention on just how important getting vaxxed up was, not just for you but for everyone else. Assuming there WAS a vaccine, and the Cabal would be very disappointed in the design team if one could be found, at least in time to matter, it is vastly more likely that anti-vaxxers would be decorating lampposts than leading riots.

The riots would be over who would be getting the vaccine (and yes, those clashes would be epic), not by opponents to, well, staying alive.
 

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In other words, Berlin and Nuremberg make our Area 51 look like Hyde Park corner in terms of accessibility!

Have satellites ever noticed anything interesting over the decades?
Sure, There are signs that, even in ALT 2015, a few humans reside in the zones. No one really talks about it, except behind very tightly closed doors, but there are some signs, less every year to be sure.

The Zones have seen the return of some otherwise endangered, even possibly extinct elsewhere plant species, along with a rather nasty breed of feral dog (these tend to get shot on sight, but they are als smart enough to have figured out that standing out in the open is not a positive idea), and the Zones are close to perfect site to observe what happens when a "modern" city is entirely abandoned b y people.
 

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Sure, There are signs that, even in ALT 2015, a few humans reside in the zones. No one really talks about it, except behind very tightly closed doors, but there are some signs, less every year to be sure.

The Zones have seen the return of some otherwise endangered, even possibly extinct elsewhere plant species, along with a rather nasty breed of feral dog (these tend to get shot on sight, but they are als smart enough to have figured out that standing out in the open is not a positive idea), and the Zones are close to perfect site to observe what happens when a "modern" city is entirely abandoned b y people.
What became of OTL Soviet spies in the West like the Cambridge Five? Did some continue working in some capacity for the Molotov government and succeeding Soviet regimes?
 
I imagine gazing at Nuremberg and Berlin from the equivalent of Google Earth is quite a hobby in this reality.

When satellite images are made available, does this help researchers better understand the final times of the Reich?

When the equivalent of the Discovery/History channels come along, I imagine programs along the lines of "What really lurks at the dark heart of the Reich?" will be more popular than Ancient Aliens!
I'd imagine there will be similar maps on The Grid (ATL World Wide Web) about that.
As was discussed several times, there are persistent rumors that their are vast stores of Gold, diamonds, and other wealth that was squirreled away by the Nazi and stored in both areas. These are backed up by plenty of second hand, and occasional first hand reporting, making the containment zones very tempting for a certain sort of fortune hunter. There are also the same sort of half baked conspiracy theories as exist today (including Aliens, a deal between the A4 and Aliens is one of the favored "alternate" explanation for why no one else is allowed to launch rockets into orbit).
That would be like the equivalent of the Yamashita Treasure and the lost Nazi gold. It will be the subject of many treasure hunting movies.
Sure, There are signs that, even in ALT 2015, a few humans reside in the zones. No one really talks about it, except behind very tightly closed doors, but there are some signs, less every year to be sure.

The Zones have seen the return of some otherwise endangered, even possibly extinct elsewhere plant species, along with a rather nasty breed of feral dog (these tend to get shot on sight, but they are als smart enough to have figured out that standing out in the open is not a positive idea), and the Zones are close to perfect site to observe what happens when a "modern" city is entirely abandoned b y people.
It's sad the humans residing in the zones are essentially "outcasts" out of fear they will contaminate the outside world with the biological agents dropped there by the Allies during the second phase of the Second Global War.
That's mean Taiwan is independent all the whole time. Is it the country still like OTL Taiwan?
Given the fact Cabal China is a large North Korea, I'd say ATL Taiwan is similar to OTL Taiwan. Down to the fact the Cabal would claim the island as theirs (which is tame, considering the Cabal wants the Chinese people to the conquer the whole world).
 
Sure, There are signs that, even in ALT 2015, a few humans reside in the zones. No one really talks about it, except behind very tightly closed doors, but there are some signs, less every year to be sure.

The Zones have seen the return of some otherwise endangered, even possibly extinct elsewhere plant species, along with a rather nasty breed of feral dog (these tend to get shot on sight, but they are als smart enough to have figured out that standing out in the open is not a positive idea), and the Zones are close to perfect site to observe what happens when a "modern" city is entirely abandoned b y people.
So Chernobyl all over again, except your much more likely to die in it. Currently wandering around thr Chernobyl exclusion zone is fine as long as you don't do anything dumb like start digging (see recent OTL events) in Berlin just touching an exposed surface is probably risking instant death...
 
So Chernobyl all over again, except your much more likely to die in it. Currently wandering around thr Chernobyl exclusion zone is fine as long as you don't do anything dumb like start digging (see recent OTL events) in Berlin just touching an exposed surface is probably risking instant death...
I think CalBear's summing-up of the Berlin and Nuremberg exclusion zones was "they make Chernobyl look like a broken water main".
In the opinion of the best scientific minds of the ATL, it will be at the minimum 300 years before unprotected humans can enter the region without substantial risk. The amount of Anthrax, defoliant, and nuclear fall-out (the regions were downwind from the majority of Allied nuclear strikes) covering the two zones makes them not just lethal, but source of potential wide spread epidemics.

They make Chernobyl look like a broken water main.
 
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Sure, There are signs that, even in ALT 2015, a few humans reside in the zones. No one really talks about it, except behind very tightly closed doors, but there are some signs, less every year to be sure.

The Zones have seen the return of some otherwise endangered, even possibly extinct elsewhere plant species, along with a rather nasty breed of feral dog (these tend to get shot on sight, but they are als smart enough to have figured out that standing out in the open is not a positive idea), and the Zones are close to perfect site to observe what happens when a "modern" city is entirely abandoned b y people.

I would love to get an idea as to what "The Wall" around each of the Zones looks like.
 
Yeesh, at some point you’d imagine that at least the treasure hunters would be like “okay, literally a HUNDRED expeditions were stopped trying to enter or died shortly after entering, MAYBE we could try digging in Poland for Nazi gold?”
Oh lord, imagine if someone tried the “Let’s all Naruto Run into Area 51” thing…
Myths about greed will never die.
Sure, There are signs that, even in ALT 2015, a few humans reside in the zones. No one really talks about it, except behind very tightly closed doors, but there are some signs, less every year to be sure.
They must havehad very strong immunity systems, to the point some medical labs might be intersted.
 
Myths about greed will never die.

They must havehad very strong immunity systems, to the point some medical labs might be intersted.
Who would promptly be told "No," when seeking to investigate. I mean the only place that heavily contaminated with anthrax OTL they had to strip to the bedrock to decontaminate. That was just Anthrax as well, there's far more than just that in Berlin and it may never be safe.

Never gave it a second's thought.
Would have fought in the war, possibly ended up going a bit darker due to what they saw. Also Palin doesn't have anywhere near as many places to travel to for his shows.
 
What are the German statelets? How many are there? What land was annexed from Germany after the war?
@CalBear never really said but there are about 20 and since Poland got all its pre-war land back there may not have been significant annexation in the East (especially given much of Germany is functionally uninhabitable anyway) bar probably East Prussia) Presumably it's most of the smaller German states with the big ones (Prussia, Bohemia) cut up into more manageable pieces?
 
I'd be curious as to the locations of the last German holdouts in TTL. Here is a video of the last holdouts of the Reich in OTL.

IIRC, it was the cities of Nuremberg and Berlin. I believe there is a reference to the surrender of the Nuremberg as the last organized German unit to give up.
 
IIRC, it was the cities of Nuremberg and Berlin. I believe there is a reference to the surrender of the Nuremberg as the last organized German unit to give up.

I think he meant holdouts as in those IJA troops who held out in places like the Philippines and Indonesia until the 70s and 80s.
 
I think he meant holdouts as in those IJA troops who held out in places like the Philippines and Indonesia until the 70s and 80s.
When answering other questions he said that most Nazi holdouts were either too fanatical to be taken alive (in decent physical condition and potentially mentally rehabilitatable) or once captured could never be deinstitutionalized because they were brainwashed so much from the Hitler Youth and society in general that they'd be locked away forever. Also that there have been crazy Kaminazi-impersonators over the years and the public response only makes Germans worse off in the long run.
 
What are the German statelets? How many are there? What land was annexed from Germany after the war?

CalBear didn't say what these statelets are (at least I didn't notice any mentions) but IIRC there is something like bit over one dozen occupation zones. There is too map by B_Munro. It shows pretty well what Germany would look like. Personally I bit disagree with some things on map but still I think that Germany and Poland are pretty accurate.

 
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