The Alternate Cabinets Thread

Gorrister

Gorrister

Just as we have an Alternate PMs and Presidents Thread, I feel that Cabinets (Not the furniture, if you were planning to make a joke) are underrated and deserve some attention, so without further ado, here is the Alternate Cabinets Thread! (Now this can be any Country, not just the US)

The first contribution/Cabinet to this thread is a Cabinet if Hubert Humphrey won in '68 (Stolen from my TL Never Give Up)

President:Hubert Humphrey
Vice President:Ed Muskie
Secretary of State-George Ball
Secretary of the Treasury-Carl Hayden
Secretary of Defense-Bruce Palmer
Attorney General-Ramsay Clark
Postmaster General-Marvin Waylon
Secretary of the Interior-Stewart Udall
Secretary of Agriculture-Robert Docking
Secretary of Commerce-Warren Magnuson
Secretary of Labor-William Wirtz
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development-Robert Wood
Secretary of Transportation-Alan Boyd
CIA Director-Richard Helms
FBI Director-J. Edgar Hoover
Chief of Staff-Dean Rusk
Director of Management and Budget-John Henning.​
 
Callan

Callan

This is great: I agree with you that Cabinets are underrated.

My Contribution is the 1st Whitelaw Ministry (1981-1985) in a wikibox TL I'm doing.

Prime Minister: William Whitelaw
Deputy Prime Minister & Home Secretary: Margaret Thatcher
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Geoffery Howe
Foreign Secretary: Peter Carrington
Lord President of the Council: Lord Soames
Lord Chancellor: Lord Hailsham (Quintin Hogg)
Minister for the Arts and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: Norman St John-Stevas
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Nigel Lawson
Defence Secretary: Francis Pym
Leader of the House of Commons: Leon Brittan
Energy Secretary:James Prior
Northern Ireland Secretary:Airey Neave
Trade Secretary: John Nott
Scottish Secretary: George Younger
Environment Secretary: Michael Heseltine
Welsh Secretary: Nicholas Edwards
Health & Social Security Secretary: David Howell
Education Secretary: Norman Fowler
Agriculture Minister: Peter Walker
Paymaster General:Norman Tebbit
Industry Secretary: James Prior
Transport Secretary: Keith Joeseph
 
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nezza

I'm intrigued:

Labour/Liberal Coalition Cabinet 1978-1982

Prime Minister: Jim Callaghan
Deputy Prime Minister and Home Secretary: David Steel
Foreign Secretary: David Owen
Chancellor: Denis Healey

Leader of The Commons: Michael Foot
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: John Pardoe
Northern Ireland Secretary: Shirley Williams
Chief Whip: Cyril Smith

Education Secretary: Reg Prentice
Energy Secretary: Tony Benn
Prices and Consumer Protection Secretary: Roy Hattersley
Health and Social Services Secretary: Merlyn Rees

Employment Secretary: David Ennals
Leader Of The Lords: Fred Peart
Defence Secretary: Roy Mason
Constitutional Affairs Secretary: John Smith
 

drcynic

nezza said:
I'm intrigued:

Labour/Liberal Coalition Cabinet 1978-1982

Prime Minister: Jim Callaghan
Deputy Prime Minister and Home Secretary: David Steel
Foreign Secretary: David Owen
Chancellor: Denis Healey

Leader of The Commons: Michael Foot
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: John Pardoe
Northern Ireland Secretary: Shirley Williams
Chief Whip: Cyril Smith

Education Secretary: Reg Prentice
Energy Secretary: Tony Benn
Prices and Consumer Protection Secretary: Roy Hattersley
Health and Social Services Secretary: Merlyn Rees

Employment Secretary: David Ennals
Leader Of The Lords: Fred Peart
Defence Secretary: Roy Mason
Constitutional Affairs Secretary: John Smith
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Cyril Smith in the cabinet, especially as Chief Whip would have caused a ton of problems. David Steel even said after that Cyril was a horrible Liberal Chief Whip. Better to go with a Labour MP or go with someone more responsible like Alan Beith.
 

nezza

I placed smith at the chief whip position because I didn't feel Beith's prominence wasn't until the mid 80's.
 
V-J

V-J

Daltonia said:
My Contribution is the 1st Whitelaw Ministry (1981-1985) in a wikibox TL I'm doing.
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This is too much as per OTL, though I guess it depends on the POD. Thatcher and Howe are over-promoted for a standard Whitelaw government though. Tebbit shouldn't even be on there.

nezza said:
I placed smith at the chief whip position because I didn't feel Beith's prominence wasn't until the mid 80's.
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A Lib Dem isn't going to be Chief Whip in a coalition, certainly not in those days. It'd be as present, with a Labour Chief Whip whipping the Labour MPs and a Lib Dem deputy whipping the taxi cab.

Also, Tony Benn in a coalition Cabinet? No way.
 
V-J

V-J

nezza said:
Maybe Benn in the cabinet would be fantastical at best and destructive at worst.
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He's not going to be in there on principle, in any circumstances. Benn is both intensely tribal and really oldskool about electoral mandates and FPTP. (Or at least he was back in the day) He'd view a Callghan-lead coalition as the National Government Mk2.
 

nezza

Thing is I can't think of a suitable alternative. Following the OTL has led to the cabinet shorn of some big hitters (Crosland died in 1977 and Jenkins went to europe in 1976):confused:
 

Lindseyman

Lib-Con coalition Feb 1974

PM
Edward Heath

Chancellor
Anthony Barber

Foreign Secretary
Sir Alec Douglas Hume

Lord Chancellor
Lord Hailsham

Home Secretary
Robert Carr

Health
Keith Joseph

Defence
Ian Gilmour

Employment
William Whitelaw

Education
Margaret Thatcher

Trade and Industry
Peter Walker

Trade and Consumer affairs
Geoffrey Howe

Environment
Francis Pym

Energy
Patrick Jenkin

Scotland
Gordon Campbell

Wales
Peter Davies

Leader of House of Commons
Jo Grimmond

Duchy of Lancaster
Jeremy Thorpe

Mainly Heaths Cabinet pre election but would Thorpe want more? The Liberals only had 6 seats so two places in cabinet actually seems excessive.
 

pipisme

Labour win the 1959 UK general election.

Prime Minister: Hugh Gaitskell
Lord Chancellor: Lord Ungoed-Thomas [he resigns as Labour MP Leicester North-east and is elevated to the peerage].
Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons: James Griffiths
Lord Privy Seal: Viscount Alexander of Hillsborough
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Harold Wilson
Foreign Secretary: Aneurin Bevan
Home Secretary: Sir Frank Soskice
Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food: Fred Willey
Colonial Secretary: Earl of Longford
Commonwealth Relations Secretary: Anthony Greenwood
Minister of Defence: James Callaghan
Minister of Education: Michael Stewart
Minister of Health: Edith Summerskill
Minister of Housing and Local Government: Gilbert Richard Mitchison
Minister of Labour: Douglas Houghton
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: George Brown
Minister of Power: Frederick Lee
Secretary of State for Scotland: Tom Fraser
President of the Board of Trade: Arthur Bottomley
Minister of Transport: Herbert Bowden.
 

CCK

Al Gore wins the presidency in 2000.

President: Al Gore
Vice-President: Joe Lieberman
Secretary of State: Richard Holbrooke
Secretary of Defense: Sam Nunn
Secretary of Treasury: Erskine Bowles
Attorney General: Carol Browner
Secretary of the Interior: Tom Udall
Secretary of Agriculture: Jim Hunt
Secretary of Commerce: Tom Downey
Secretary of Labor: Alexis Herman
Secretary of Health & Human Services: Howard Dean
Secretary of Housing & Urban Development: Donna Brazile
Secretary of Transportation: Rodney Slater
Secretary of Energy: Bill Richardson
Secretary of Education: Donald M. Payne
Secretary of Veteran's Affairs: Bob Kerrey
White House Chief of Staff: Bill Daley
 
Charles James Fox

Charles James Fox

Labour Cabinet on the eve of the 2020 general election:

Prime Minister: Ed Miliband
Deputy Prime Minister and Leader of the House of Commons: Andy Burnham
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Rachel Reeves
Foreign Secretary: Yvette Cooper
Home Secretary: Vernon Coaker
Defence Secretary: Dan Jarvis
Justice Secretary: Emily Thornberry
Health Secretary: Ed Balls
Education Secretary: Chuka Umunna
Business Secretary: Tristram Hunt
Work and Pensions Secretary: Jon Cruddas
Transport Secretary: Chi Onwurah
Energy and Climate Change Secretary: Stella Creasy
Environment Secretary: Cathy Jamieson
Communities and Local Government Secretary: Gloria De Piero
Culture Secretary: Liz Kendall
International Development Secretary: Douglas Alexander
Northern Ireland Secretary: Angela Eagle
Wales Secretary: Kevin Brennan
Scotland Secretary: Margaret Curran
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Rushanara Ali
Minister without Portfolio (Cabinet Office): Lord Wood
Chief Whip: Michael Dugher
 

Black Belt Jones

Just a lil' TL I'm playing with

Cabinet of President John Kerry (2005-2009)

Cabinet

Vice President - John Edwards (2005-2009)
Secretary of State - Richard Holbrooke (2005-2009)
Secretary of the Treasury - James A. Johnson (2005-2008) - Robert Rubin (2008-2009)
Secretary of Defense - Joe Biden (2005-2009)
Attorney General - Eric Holder (2005-2009)
Secretary of the Interior - Tim Wirth (2005-2009)
Secretary of Agriculture - Tom Vilsack (2005-2009)
Secretary of Commerce - Ted Waitt (2005-2007) - Robert L. Johnson (2007-2009)
Secretary of Labor - Richard Gephardt (2005-2009)
Secretary of Health and Human Services - Jeanne Shaheen (2005-2009)
Secretary of Education - Jim Hunt (2005-2009)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development - Gregory Meeks (2005-2009)
Secretary of Transportation - Juanita Millender-McDonald (2005-2007) - Rodney Slater (2007-2009)
Secretary of Energy - Jeff Bingaman (2005-2009)
Secretary of Veterans Affairs - Max Cleland (2005-2009)
Secretary of Homeland Security - Warren Rudman (2005-2009)​
 
Gorrister

Gorrister

Alright, so I do mini TLs in books when I'm bored, so here's a scribbled down one of a John Edwards Cabinet in 2004!


Vice President: Bob Kerrey
Secretary of State: Richard Holbrooke
Secretary of the Treasury: Gary Gensler
Secretary of Defense: James Woosley
Attorney General: Richard Cordray
Secretary of Agriculture: Chet Culver
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Jim Jeffords:
Secretary of Homeland Security: William Bratton
Secretary of Transport: Randy Babbit
Secretary of the Interior: George J. Mitchell
Secretary of Labor: Rosa DeLauro
Secretary of Commerce: Richard Blumenthal
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Henry Cisneros
Secretary of Education: Madeiline Kunin
Secretary of Energy: Jeff Bingaman
Secretary of Veteran's Affairs: Wesley Clark
Federal Reserve Chairwoman: Rebecca Blank
Chief of Staff: Joe Trippi​
 
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historybuff

spookyscaryskeletons said:
Alright, so I do mini TLs in books when I'm bored, so here's a scribbled down one of a John Edwards Cabinet in 2004!


Secretary of State: Richard Holbrooke
Secretary of the Treasury: Gary Gensler
Secretary of Defense: James Woosley
Attorney General: Richard Cordray
Secretary of Agriculture: Chet Culver
Secretary of Health and Human Services: Jim Jeffords:
Secretary of Homeland Security: William Bratton
Secretary of Transport: Randy Babbit
Secretary of the Interior: George J. Mitchell
Secretary of Labor: Rosa DeLauro
Secretary of Commerce: Richard Blumenthal
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Henry Cisneros
Secretary of Education: Madeiline Kunin
Secretary of Energy: Jeff Bingaman
Secretary of Veteran's Affairs: Wesley Clark
Federal Reserve Chairwoman: Rebecca Blank
Chief of Staff: Joe Trippi​
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Not bad, but you forgot Edward's Vice President.
 
Callan

Callan

Something from my wikibox TL: David Owen forms a Lib-Lab coalition after the 1993 election.

Prime Minister: David Owen (Lab)
Deputy Prime Minister: David Penhaligon (Lib)
Chancellor of the Exchequer: Neil Kinnock (Lab)
Home Secretary: Jack Cunningham (Lab)
Foreign Secretary: Roy Hattersley (Lab)
Lord Chancellor/Justice Secretary*: David Penhaligon (Lib)
Leader of the House of Commons: Robin Cook (Lab)
Leader of the House of Lords: The Lord Richard (Lab)
Defence Secretary: David Clark (Lab)
Trade & Industry Secretary: Mo Mowlam (Lab)
Environment & Agriculture Secretary: Paddy Ashdown (Lib)
Social Services Secretary: Gerald Kaufman (Lab)
Employment Secretary: Bryan Gould (Lab)
International Development Secretary: David Blunkett (Lab)
Local Government Secretary: George Ferguson (Lib)
Education Secretary: John Prescott (Lab)
Health Secretary: Jack Straw (Lab)
Transport Secretary: Margaret Beckett (Lab)
Northern Ireland Secretary: Tony Blair (Lab)
Scottish Secretary: Russell Johnston (Lib)
Welsh Secretary: Alun Michael (Lab)
Paymaster General: Vince Cable (Lab)
Chief Secretary to the Treasury: Alan Beith (Lib)
Chief Whip: Gordon Brown (Lab)

*David Penhaligon's brief in the government was constitutional reform. As part of this, Penhaligon was appointed lord Chancellor and the office was abolished and replaced with the Ministry of Justice.
 
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