I'll have the new part up soon, it's on my laptop, but I can't it connect to the web just yet. (doesn't like the hospital's wi-fi). I've decided to have Wellington targeted, but the missile explodes high, dispensing radiation and knocking out communications but not cuasing a tremendous ammount of damage. I don't know if NZ would be on pre-Soviet target lists (being of little strategic relevance). What I am going for here is the creation of stronger post-war Australian-New Zealand state.
The A Land Of Black and Red Scars: Protect and Survive Australia
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Considering the dire situation in Australia itself, as inhuman as it seems, the best policy towards any refugees would be to shoot them on sight I am afraid. Otherwise some "development camps" could be another option, but in any case the refugees leaving their homeland would not necessarily face a better fate down south in Australia.
I do agree though that Indonesia could fracture in such a scenario. Singapore has the cohesion to hold against whatever is thrown at it, as long as the city has not been nuked.
Orville_third
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Would the Flying Doctor service be affected? I also heard once that a lot of people in the bush communicated via radio.
Had influence on me yes, but it always seemed to make sense in such a situation, both being relatively low priority targets, with dispersed populations (in Australia) and stable western governments. However I don't want a union of the two, but I do see both getting away from this so much better off than the rest of the world.
Refugees from an irradiated and overpopulated Java would still make the trip south and the waves of displacement would ripple throughout the islands. The impoverished, marginal sea people of the archipelago would turn either to piracy (as they do IOTL's Macassar Strait), people smuggling (as they do IOTL's Java and Nusa Tenggara) or both. Many more boats would sink ITTL as they try to reach northern Australia rather than Christmas Island or Ashmore Reef and the survival rates of those landing in the Top End would be very low.
On the last bit, I think Singapore would have collapsed, either from being directly attacked with nuclear weapons, or from internal collapse after the supply of raw materials causes the economy to shut down and Malaysia cuts off the water supply.
Probably Soviet or Chinese, I doubt it would be American since Singapore is quite pro-western.
All regions that feel threatened by internal migrations from Java or that have a different cultural or religious background might try to secede (Aceh, most of Indonesian Borneo, the Moluccas, Sulawesi (or parts of it), Irian Jaya, Bali, and possibly more).
Did the new part survive what happened to the laptop, perchance?
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Am subscribing. (The story drew me in and I liked the writing. Poor dear.)
katchen
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That was 1984 ITTL. We now know that there is a HUGE shale oil field at Akramanga (I think I got the name right) SW of Coober Pedy and north of Ceduna in South Australia. But it won't be known about then and the frakking technology to get the oil from the shale hasn't been developed yet.
katchen
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As remote as that coast is, I think some Indonesian refugees could probably carve out something of a free state on the coast between Derby and Wyndham centered on the Drysdale Valley before Aussies could dislodge them.
If they tried that east of Darwin in the Kakadu, the Yolgnu would destroy them.Interesting point re: shale oil. In another region of remote South Australia is/was the Moomba oil & gas field. By 1984, gas pipelines connected the Moomba fields to Sydney and Adelaide and a petrochemical pipeline to Port Bonython at the top of Spencer Gulf. Providing the Moomba fields and the pipelines remain undamaged, this could be an important post-attack energy source.
katchen
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I don't usually quote myself, but I just noticed something else. A lot of the boat people who bedevil Australia now come all the way from iraq and Afghanistan--get their boats in Pakistan. And there's a lot of shipping and a lot of pirates and former pirates in Somalia. I'm afraid that the entire Northwest coast of Australia from Geraldton to Broome and points inland may be vulnerable to boat people and pirate groups who take advantage of the chaos, pirate BIG ships and move as many people, goats, cattle, sheep, ect. on them with weapons , some heavy, as possible. Some of these will be proto-jihadi even in 1984. Our old" friend," Osama Bin Laden (yes, the West considered him a friend then) may be on one of them. Arab, often bedouin, Balochi, Pashto, Somali, they have the knowhow to survive living off the outback as much as anyone can in places like the Opthalmia and Hammersley Ranges or even back of Kalgoorlie . They could be a real menace to all of Western Australia. Real Mad Max stuff.As remote as that coast is, I think some Indonesian refugees could probably carve out something of a free state on the coast between Derby and Wyndham centered on the Drysdale Valley before Aussies could dislodge them.
A bit like Saxons invading Britain when the Roman Empire fell.I don't usually quote myself, but I just noticed something else. A lot of the boat people who bedevil Australia now come all the way from iraq and Afghanistan--get their boats in Pakistan. And there's a lot of shipping and a lot of pirates and former pirates in Somalia. I'm afraid that the entire Northwest coast of Australia from Geraldton to Broome and points inland may be vulnerable to boat people and pirate groups who take advantage of the chaos, pirate BIG ships and move as many people, goats, cattle, sheep, ect. on them with weapons , some heavy, as possible. Some of these will be proto-jihadi even in 1984. Our old" friend," Osama Bin Laden (yes, the West considered him a friend then) may be on one of them. Arab, often bedouin, Balochi, Pashto, Somali, they have the knowhow to survive living off the outback as much as anyone can in places like the Opthalmia and Hammersley Ranges or even back of Kalgoorlie . They could be a real menace to all of Western Australia. Real Mad Max stuff.
Today's 'boat people' IOTL may come from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc, but they generally fly to Indonesia before boarding the boats for the relatively short trip to Australia. The traffic relies on the boat skills of the marginal coastal fisherfolk who've navigated to and from northern Australia long before European settlement and who could just as easily fish or catch trepang in Australian waters than smuggle people. But ITTL, larger, ocean going ships and migration could happen, just as it did from 1975 onward IOTL from Indochina to Australia.
By 1984, all three main NORFORCE squadrons would be established and operational across Northern Australia. Built around a cadre of regular army officers and ORs, with extensive use of local (indigenous) reservists, by 1985 IOTL, NORFORCE had a presence in most of northern Australia from the Pilbara to the Gulf of Carpentaria. ITTL it's likely NORFORCE's capability and numbers would have been enhanced in the build up to war. I'm pretty sure that the NORFORCE squadrons could have hunted down and destroyed the incursions, particularly as the locals would be on the side of NORFORCE.
Also IOTL, the Kangaroo 83 exercise was based around landings on the north-west coast with low-level incursions, sabotage and attacks against settlements and infrastructure by the fictitious Kamarian armed forces. The ADF would be prepared and ready for such a threat ITTL.
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