The 1968 the French civil war and it's Aftermath

May 29, 1968 hit the News that Charles DeGaulle die in a Helicopter crash near Baden-Baden, Germany
the unstable Political scene and struggle for his successor and let to a civil war
Between right wing, conservative and Army ageist Left wing socialist, Communist, labor unions and students
Paris and Major Industrials french city were turn into battlefields
Vietnam terminates there peace talks with USA "until the situation in Paris ends"

this change brutal the European Aerospace industry
The Bilateral programs Concorde, SEPECAT Jaguar and ELDO Europa Rocket are put on hold and soon cancels by the British Labor Government
Wat let later to the British Army and MI5 coup d'ètat against the prime minster Harold Wilston
Belgium contract for 106 french Dassault Mirage 5 is resolve, they restudy there offers of Northrop F-5 and SAAB J35 Draken

1969
Breton, French Basque region and Corsica declare there independence, while U.N. try to get a armistice agreements
the death of Jean-paul Sartre becomes a public outcry
Refugees from french cvili war overrun the bordering countries, installation of refugee camps
German Chancellor Kurt G. Kiesinger wins narrowly the Re-election against Socialist Willy Brand
the VFW-Fokker VFT291 becomes the Alphajet, while MBB and Dornier lost there French partners do the cvili war.

Great Britain get exclude from NATO and all Bilateral programs resolve and is boycott economical by european states,
after the execution of Harold Wilston on "high treason" by the british military interim government
MBB get the contract for Panavia-100 "Panther" fighter and Panavia-200 "Tornado" Bomber
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BAC get order by British RAF to restart the TRS.2 Bomber program and also R&D a new fighter jet program, Wat become the HS.1202-9 "Falcon"
Roll-Royce has massive problems, because the boycott there cut off from Europe customer
European Aerospace firms look for License build R&R Engine in other country or import US aircraft Engines

European Launch Development Organization is official closed by his members

Richard Nixon has to reorganize NATO after France downfall and exclusion of Great Britain.
He offers Germany, Benelux and Italy a closer Defense agreement
Italy demands Nuclear weapons of NATO Multilateral Nuclear Force on future Italian Weapon system
Nixon agree to this, in reaction Swiss and Yugoslavia, intensify there Nuclear weapon program.

1970
Italy and Germany signs a Agreement about a Bilateral Space program
the foundation of a new Space Agency: Agenzia spaziale italiana e germania (ASIG) / Deutsch Italienische Raumfahrt Agentur (DIRA)
and construction of satellite launch vehicle, to launch from San Marco platform
Start of studies by German and Italian Aerospace firms for a new launch rocket in size of old Europa rocket

1972
USA Operation Linebacker I to IV bring Vietnam back to peace talks

1973
Watergate Scandal never get public (Mark Felt became head of FBI in 1972)
February first Test launch of Italy ALFA ballistic missile
U.N. forces achieve in France a stable armistice agreements and interim government is install
a triumvirate of Francois Mitterand, Daniel Cohn-Bendit and Jacques Chirac
on May 1, the "French Six Republic of the people" is declare, the fist election wins Francois Mitterrand
Robert Nixon give his ok for the CIA Operation "Mister Freedoom" against socialist France
the french refugee camps in the bordering countries are disbanded, allot french right wing ask for asylum.
October declaration of first five year-plan of french six republic.
the first Alphajet flew near Hamburg
Ironically do to European boycott of Great Britain before Yom Kippur war and Ol-crisis
makes it's presentable at Arab states and third world dictators who buy massive British weapon and Aircraft
wat give British Aerospace industry a boost

1974
August the first Panavia "Panther" flew in West Germany

1975
January USAF announced that Boeing YF-18 "Hawk" is winner of the ACF competition.
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the first HS.1202-9 Falcon prototype flew
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Here a specimen of BAC "Falcon" for USAF on Wirght-Patterson AFB in 1977

the first new TRS.2 rollout
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1976
USA launch Skylab B + 4&5 with ASTP 2&3 Missions for United States Bicentennial
last US military leave Vietnam, official end of the Vietnam War
Ronald Reagan wins the US presidential election against newcomer Jimmy Carter

1977
President Ronald Reagan announced production of B-1A Bomber and LGM-118 "Peacemaker"
A Order for 150 B-1a, and the B-52 retirement from 1980 is sign by the President
Italy ALFA ballistic missile become becomes operational

1978
SAIG/DIRA launch successful there first Rocket in Space

1979
First B-1a deliver to USAF beginn phaseout of B-52 Bomber
 
Hold on, why is the UK excluded?

The Bilateral programs Concorde, SEPECAT Jaguar and ELDO Europa Rocket are put on hold and soon cancels by the British Labor Government
Wat let later to the British Army and MI5 coup d'ètat against the prime minster Harold Wilston
Great Britain get exclude from NATO and all Bilateral programs resolve and is boycott economical by european states,
after the execution of Harold Wilston on "high treason" by the british military interim government

on Harold Wilson problems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Wilson_conspiracy_theories
 
the British Military got there problem with prime minster Wilson, like cancellation of TRS.2, P.1154 Harrier and other weapon project's
allot officials in Military and Ministry consider Wilson, a greater threat to Great Britain than the Soviets
to top that, Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn is said to have told to MI5, that Wilson was a KGB agent !

so how have the European state to react on this ?
A democratic elected Government is over thrown by the Military and the prime minster accused and convicted to death
Economical and Political Boycott wat include, excluded from NATO.
 
This seems ASB.

ok i Drop the Coup d'ètat against the prime minster Harold Wilston from this TL

the TRS.2 is replace by F-111K and keep GB out MRCA program wat let to Panavia "Panther"
but with SEPECAT Jaguar program death
will the British Labor Government buy US Northop F-5 as replacement ?
there were so overzealously about USA products :rolleyes:
 
Details on French Civil War
The Reason:
normally if French President dies in office, the head of Senate of France has to replace him until new presidential election
unfortunately in May 1968 the President of the French Senate was Gaston Monnerville, he was of French Guiana origin
and consider by Right wing politician as a "Negro", the Gaullist consider him a "traitor", because he opposed DeGaulle Reforms efforts
also Monnerville accused in Public, Premier ministre Georges Pompidou his roll in Reforms as "abuse of authority".

So the President of the French Senate abhorred by the Right and the Gaullist
French General who public demand Premier ministre Georges Pompidou becomes President, bypassing the French Constitution
and Students and Left Wing politicians who got enough of this charade and start a Revolution

The Events:
At begin it's look that French Military had the Situation fast under Control, but that was illusionary
the Students and other protester became resistance fighters and terrorist.
and the Troops had face: bomb attacks, guerilla operations, Sniper and Sabotage
The French Railway network centralized in Paris became unusable by bombing of bridges and Signalling controls,
was disrupt French Military supply transport and French economy.
but the Right wings strike back on each left wing Attack
Jean-paul Sartre, who was struck dead by extreme right ragtag, ravaging his home in 1969
after this the Left guerilla start aimed attack right wing and Gaullist politician
Allot of politician, intellectuals and Artis left Paris to country site or left the Country
like Fashion industry escape to Milan, London, New York

1969
the European state leader were dispute how to stop this madness.
German Chancellor Kurt G. Kiesinger refuse to send German troops into France with his famous word "Never Again a German Invasion on France"
British prime minster Harold Wilston had own problems back home with a MI5 and Military who plot against him.
Belgium had major internal problems under Wallon's and Flemish about the University of Leuven and the french refugees question
but they come to agreement for Arms embargo against France
in the time Volunteer forms "International Brigades 68" in homage to one in Spanish civil war
one of Volunteer was already a legend: rockstar Jim Morrison, another will become infamous: llich Ramirez Sánchez aka "Carlos the Jackal"
The U.N. Security Council try to stop the Civil War, but there attempt are Veto by USA (support the Gaullist) or Veto by USSR (support Socialist)
Secretly the CIA and KGB support the parties, while arms dealers makes fortune with illegal deals
in same time Brittany, French Basque region and Corsica declare there independence

1970
The former central governed country was now a "rag rug" controlled by different political groups, Warlords, and communes
Guerilla warfare of left wings has extends to major industrial cities of france
in oder to spread the Military large-scale over country and fight them easier, the plan successes
on Country site escalate vendettas between Families, even old WW2 Resistance case were revenge bloody, also ethnic classing against Arabs, Africans happens
In Capitol Paris they fought for the control of the city, some observer describe it as "like Battle of Stalingrad"
new militias show up, like the "Vlaamse Bevrijding Leger", they fight for French Flanders return to Flanders (former part of Belgium)
also a increasing number of international Terrorist who "learn they work in france" mostly Arab, Germans, Italians and US citizens
The french left-wingers form Political Coalition "Force Alliance France"(FAF)
led by Socialist Francois Mitterand, student leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit and Jacques Chirac (former Gaullist)

1971
Jim Morrison dies in combat in Paris, He becomes a martyr for the FAF
more and more the news of sectarian violence and civilian massacres are report by the Red Cross
like the Massacre of "Val o pointe", were extreme right military kills 1000 civilians, who life in a pacifists commune.
the Massacres brings a worldwide public outcry to stop this madness, that even eclipse the protest against the Vietnam War.
The FAF gains control over major industrial cities while French military run slowly out Ammunition and Gasoline

1972
in Paris the FAF gain control over Paris
The French Generals put a despair Ultimatum: Surrender Paris to them or they destroy the City with a Nuclear Weapon
USA and USSR use the Red telephone to deal with this dangerous crisis and vote unanimity in U.N.
Atlast U.N. the Security Council vote the Resolution to order NATO for Airstrikes and send U.N Peacekeeper force into France
in hours the NATO attack several french military bases and stop the imminent nuclear attack
with this nuclear crisis even Germany was will to send German troops as U.N. force
but let to a heavy political dispute in German Parliament about this use of Germans armed forces
Chancellor Kurt G. Kiesinger surveyed motions of no confidence by Socialist and War opponent.
in the end, Germany, Netherlands, Italian and Spanish troop cross the frontier

the French Military and other Militia groups surrender to German U.N. forces,
a U.N. armistice agreements is sign in Palace of Versailles, between FAF, french Politicians, Military and other Militia
they form a interim Government and start negotiation for formation of new France
during the time the U.N. force start to disarm the Militia and hunt war criminals

1973 the Interim Government sign a new Constitution for a Socialist rule people republic
first May declaration of the french "Six Republic of the people", the fist election wins Francois Mitterrand (FAF)

but the Six Republic of the people is a ruin, compared to glorious fifth Republic
Industrial production down to 35% of former fifth Republic
Paris and several industrial cities are depopulated ruins
Red Cross and U.N. estimate 1 Million French died during Civil war, around 19 Million french flee the cities, to french Country side and the bordering countries

but the biggest shock is keep secret: the U.N. discovers that 12 nuclear warhead of French "Force de Frappe" are MISSING
 

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May 29, 1968 hit the News that Charles DeGaulle die in a Helicopter crash near Baden-Baden, Germany
the unstable Political scene and struggle for his successor and let to a civil war
Between right wing, conservative and Army ageist Left wing socialist, Communist, labor unions and students
Paris and Major Industrials french city were turn into battlefields
Are you familiar with Jour J: L'imagination au pouvoir? Same POD you're starting with.
 
Well sorry to say that, but there are a lot of holes in your scenario :

Gaston Monnerville was actually instrumental in bringing De Gaulle in power. They had a falling out in 1969 because De Gaulle wanted to diminish the power of the senate. He was not abhorred by the right, and certainly not because he was a negro. The only part of the right openly racist was the far right and by this time it was a non-entity. Anyway, he would have remained President only the time to elect another - probably Pompidou.

Even if the students could have tried to resist the army, they had little trainings, few arms and virtually no support outside the big cities (and even there). The CGT and the Communist party are another matter (yes, they probably had weapons and could paralyze the country) but they had no intent to start a civil war. IOTL, they highjacked (and torpedoed) the troubles to get wage rises.

The USSR (or communists for that matter) won't support a bunch of anarchists, and albeit the railways are centered on Paris, there are ways to bypass it (roads, ports). As an aside, France was and is still a major arm producer and had a network of client states in Africa, so the army won't be starved out - the rebels will. I also has a large navy with a very conservative tradition.

Brittany, Corsica and the Basque Country won't secede, especially not in 1968. Local leaders were integrated in the French political structure (think Poher) and none of those area were under the control of a single administrative body which could secede.

Nobody, even desperate, will nuke Paris. It would be tantamount to political suicide. As for the FAF, it is frankly ASB, Chirac might get allied with Mitterand - the guy was a bit of opportunist - but neither will ally with Cohn-Bendit, especially without the support of the PCF, which at the time controlled one the major unions (another was controlled by the CIA with a strong trotskist influence - the Lambertist branch which literally loathed Cohn-Bendit)

So the best you can have is a bloody crackdown in Paris followed by martial law under Monnerville and Pompidou. This would have far-reaching consequences, but a civil war... hardly.
 
thanks for critic and Information Ar Skoul

i know that my TL scenario has Gigantic holes
only source i have is wikipedia :eek: :eek: :eek:
and appraise feedback to clean up the Errors (like putsch against Harold Wilson)

with Support by CIA & KGB, i mean not weapon but "military advisor" and Money

the Ultimatum with Nuke was last-ditch attempt of French military to win the civil war in TL.
my Idea behind was what happen to nuclear power goes into civil-war ?

about Bloody crackdown would trigger nation wide uprisings wat let panic under bourgeois ?
or a bloody Terror-war between left an right what called military on plan ?

A question:
Belgium had in May 1968, a major problem between french Walloon and dutch Flemish
about the french Status of Catholic University of (flemish)Leuven (Belief me, that a explosive mixture)
with riots on same level like in Paris
in OTL the Belgium Government was force to build a NEW city "Louvain-la-Neuve" to host the French part of Catholic University of Leuven

with french civil war/Uprisings and refugee wave on Belgium Walloon and Brussels, would trigger this a Civil War in Belgium ?
 
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bevor i post my correcting version of this TL, i need some info

With power vacuum by death of De Gaulle
the disharmony between under Monnerville and Pompidou.
and nationwide protest and strike who scream for revolution

how realistic is it, That french ministers do something stupid.
like on one's own authority declare State of emergency ?
unter article 16 of french constitution give this: in case of armed insurrection

French State of emergency: l'état de siège
Order the creation of military jurisdictions and extension of the policing powers.
under this the police is subordinate to military, how have authority the power to act in place of civilian authorities
gives authorities the power to:
curfew
Regulate or forbid circulation and gathering in some areas
Close places of gathering
Conduct house-to-house searches at any time without judicial oversight
Censorship
 
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