Add Lesley-Anne Down, Sylvia Kristel, Ursula Andress and Laura Antonelli. Twiggy is more '60's, Sally Field's film career didn't really get going until the early '80's, and Stefanie Powers was mostly TV (Hart to Hart). Olivia Newton-John also didn't get into film acting until 1980 with the legendary turkey Xanadu. And yeah, you did forget Jane Seymour.
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*snaps fingers* Come to think of it, if PBS gets ahold of Masterpiece Theatre as OTL, Lesley-Anne Down is going to come to the notice of British TV aficionados during the 1970's. She first became a star because of her role in "Upstairs, Downstairs" and I see no reason for that casting to change ITTL, plus which she regularly worked in other British TV productions.
You were teasing me earlier about my liking big hair, shoulder pads and lust for power in '80's actresses.
That can only refer to Joan Collins, who did quite a bit of work in TV in the US in the '60's, including a certain classic episode of that little show about going where no man has gone before . Unfortunately, she's starting to hit a rough patch in her career in the '70's, which OTL resulted in her having to file for unemployment benefits at one point since the alternative was to act in grade-Z movies opposite giant ants or trashy sex movies based on trashy sex novels written by her sister. I admit to being a JC fan, so hopefully her luck will be a little better this decade ITTL.
Let's not forget Stephanie Beacham, either. At this time both IOTL and, I feel sure, ITTL, she's a mainstay of the Hammer Horror stable of glamour girls, but she'll start getting into other genres soon. I have a particular soft spot for her too because, like me, she's hearing-impaired (completely deaf in one ear, in fact). Would be nice if she got a break that brought her to the attention of U.S. TV audiences in this decade...
You were teasing me earlier about my liking big hair, shoulder pads and lust for power in '80's actresses.
That can only refer to Joan Collins, who did quite a bit of work in TV in the US in the '60's, including a certain classic episode of that little show about going where no man has gone before . Unfortunately, she's starting to hit a rough patch in her career in the '70's, which OTL resulted in her having to file for unemployment benefits at one point since the alternative was to act in grade-Z movies opposite giant ants or trashy sex movies based on trashy sex novels written by her sister. I admit to being a JC fan, so hopefully her luck will be a little better this decade ITTL.Let's not forget Stephanie Beacham, either. At this time both IOTL and, I feel sure, ITTL, she's a mainstay of the Hammer Horror stable of glamour girls, but she'll start getting into other genres soon. I have a particular soft spot for her too because, like me, she's hearing-impaired (completely deaf in one ear, in fact). Would be nice if she got a break that brought her to the attention of U.S. TV audiences in this decade...
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This is perhaps the most important list for late 70s hotness - the cavalcade of women guest starring on Buck Rogers - really, the only show that would rival it in future would be the 1980s Mike Hammer.
Women of Buck Rogers Part 1 Part 2Some other women who were hot in the 1970s
Morgan Fairchild
Catherine Deneuve
Sylvia Kristel
Kim Cattrall
Perhaps more later....
Women of Buck Rogers Part 1 Part 2Some other women who were hot in the 1970s
Morgan Fairchild
Catherine Deneuve
Sylvia Kristel
Kim Cattrall
Perhaps more later....
Wasn't Morgan Fairchild (yummy!) more '80's? I'm pretty sure the first time I heard of her was when she was on Flamingo Road in 1981, and then her movie The Seduction. Or was she working in soaps in the '70's?
Brainbin, that last sentence of mine just made me realize - we haven't really talked about soaps or daytime TV in general yet, have we? A lot of well-known actors and actresses came out of soaps during the 1970's, so I'm afraid you've got some more research work to do...
I can see that part. It struck me such a Canadian cliche.Glen said:
I could believe that. TBH, I never watched long enough to care.Glen said:
Granted. As said, cliche. He couldn't have been Christopher Chance, or Jack Cole, or Alex Addington, instead.Glen said:
Just once, I want to see a vampire with even a sliver of business acumen. Can you say robber baron with a looooong investment strategy? Somebody who invested in Bianchi at 5? Or Watt's engine company? Or IBM? Or Ford in 1903? Hell, just buying some NYC or Tokyo real estate in 1880 or 1890...Me, too. Not an excuse.Glen said:
I found them all stiff & uninteresting.Glen said:
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How you liked "Forever Knight", too, is a mystery.I entirely agree.Glen said:
("Lorne? Green? Now I feel old.")A very interesting choice.Glen said:
After her turn as Roberta of Locksley, I could see it. (Great, pic, too.)From the tone, it suggests their own lives.Glen said:
No, I didn't think it was a big part. I do wonder who takes her place. Could be a career-maker. Why am I thinking of Betty Thomas...?Glen said:
Probable. Not impossible he shoots them on hiatus from "TWTD".Glen said:
No, me either.Glen said:
Ford was marginally interesting. Yar was a twit. Judge by her response to Q in "Farpoint", & I'm wondering how she lived so long as to become Security Officer.Glen said:
Thing was, they didn't have room to grow, & that's why they got written out. So why, when she was created, wasn't Yar more like Worf or Sulu? With a background the writers could use? Ford, they had to live with him being human, but even then, he could have had more O'Neill in him, instead of being a cypher. Was it really just the writers being stupid? Or did casting influence it?Oh, I don't mean the show got him wrong. I mean, what did Shanks expect when he took it? Jackson got about as much growth as the character, as created, allowed. To give him more room, the movie's writers would've needed to have him be closer to Indy Jones.Glen said:
I'd agree on:Glen said:
Raquel Welch (especially in "Hannie Caulder"
)Ali MacGraw
Jacqueline Bisset
Candice Bergen
Diana Rigg
Jane Seymour
Victoria Principal
Olivia Newton-John (It was years before I noticed how beatiful her voice was, too.
Tho yes, she probably should be on the '80s list.)Morgan Fairchild (tho again, I'd agree, more '80s)
Barbara Bach
Honorable mention to Jamie Lee; not really on my "hottest" list.
And add
Barbara Carrera
Pam Grier
Joanna Lumley (mainly for Purdey, actually)
Jenny Agutter (Best known, probably, for "Logan's Run", but her breakout as an adult was "Walkabout".)
Lana Wood ("Diamonds are Forever", frex)
Britt Ekland
Delphine Seyrig
Sybil Danning
Jennifer O'Neill
Vonetta McGee (not a big name, to be sure, but...
)Tamara Dobson
Lesley-Anne Down
Laura Antonelli
Nastassja Kinski
Brenda Sykes
Sigrid Thornton
Dyanne Thorne (Ilsa of the SS)
There are a few others I recall by bits & piece of films, but not by their names nor names of the film...
That's for sure. To name just one (a trifle later): Demi Moore, one season on "GH", & not a major character as I recall... (Of course, I was so fixated on Emmajoea64 said:
& her delicious accent, then, Demi would've had to do the bit from "Striptease" for me to even notice. {Which makes it doubly peculiar I caught her at the end of "Young Doctors in Love", under her real name.... Of course, by then I was looking for the inside jokes...})
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Did you ever get to see Moonlight? (why do they axe these good shows?Granted. As said, cliche. He couldn't have been Christopher Chance, or Jack Cole, or Alex Addington, instead.
)The 2nd male lead is the businessvampire you want!
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Yes to both - more known in the 1980s, but acting in the 1970s at an age that would be fine for breaking through as a 'hot' 70s woman. Just didn't happen IOTL that way.
Brainbin, that last sentence of mine just made me realize - we haven't really talked about soaps or daytime TV in general yet, have we? A lot of well-known actors and actresses came out of soaps during the 1970's, so I'm afraid you've got some more research work to do...
Butterflies probably haven't quite reached those yet.
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I can tell- no Farrah Fawcett!
Mentioned her in the Television hot 70s women section - not really much film work for her in the 1970s I don't think.
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Agreed.
True, but that's not the criteria I am using - I am citing 'attractive' women who could be hot women of the 1970s - some of them by extension of their 60s careers, some by earlier recognition in the 1970s when they didn't really 'break through' until the 1980s, and of course others who were in the 1970s all along IOTL.
Huh? I actually mentioned her TWICE (once in TV from BSG, once in film for her Bond Girl turn).
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Good one!
You were teasing me earlier about my liking big hair, shoulder pads and lust for power in '80's actresses.
This is a viable possibility, though it of course need not happen.
An interesting addition.
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Did you ever get to see Moonlight? (why do they axe these good shows?
The 2nd male lead is the businessvampire you want!
Now then, for some reason, I could never get into this one - it seemed like the main vamp character was too stiff to me, yet at the same time too whiny - bad combo! Sophia Myles was good as usual, though.
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No time now to respond properly to your replies - will get back to you when I can give the time they deserve.
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He is.
I have a very, very vague recollection of seeing the first episode & thinking it was awful.
Yeah, that was sorta my feel - we're agreeing!
He is.
I have a very, very vague recollection of seeing the first episode & thinking it was awful.
Never actually saw the first episode first time round so it may have been that bad
.Think I caught it on the 2nd ep and kept watching for Sophia Myles
That's a sign of the impending apocalypse, up there with House doing something genuinely nice.
So that's what that particular Mayan glyph means
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As I don't fully know Canadian cliches, I might have missed such....
I could believe that. TBH, I never watched long enough to care.
Noted, noted.
Granted. As said, cliche. He couldn't have been Christopher Chance, or Jack Cole, or Alex Addington, instead.
Vigilantes with odd powers aren't exactly anti-cliche in the USA, so maybe that is part of the difference in response - a vampire cop show was a refreshing twist for me.
Just once, I want to see a vampire with even a sliver of business acumen. Can you say robber baron with a looooong investment strategy?
In general, one might think that vampires could accrue some decent loot over time (back in the 1990s I had a multibillion dollar arms dealer vampire who had been a knight in King Arthur's court when turned - he was a baaad man, including defeating an antediluvian Lovecraftian horrow with a well placed suitcase nuke (it was actually in a briefcase, but let's not get bogged down in trivialities)), but this need not be the rule - there will be plenty of vampires who aren't particularly good business people, and remember too that the longer they live, the more chance they will live though some sort of disaster that could wipe out their holdings (natural or manmade). A slight point against honest business as a vampire is their need to keep night hours, which are not traditional business hours - this might be mitigated by the mid to late 20th century, but before then they would be at a distinct disadvantage in terms of finance. Then again, if they have hypnotic abilities, they might be 'persuading' people to do business at odd hours.
Me, too. Not an excuse.
I found them all stiff & uninteresting.
We shall agree to disagree.
I entirely agree.
He was green, but he wasn't Lorne Greene.
A very interesting choice.
I am gratified, citizen!
I'm not certain that is so - it is more lamenting the lives they expected to have, but aren't.
More later....
Thanks to everyone for your kind words about my most recent update. I'll talk more about the finer details of Those Were the Days, and how it differs from All in the Family in terms of tone, plot, character development, and topical relevance, in the future.
) at some later point in the "Me Decade".
It looks like the next update won't be ready until this weekend, for a couple of reasons: for one, the dreaded RL is threatening to encroach on me and I'm just barely holding it back; and two, I have another commitment, upon which I'm toiling away. I'm not at liberty to disclose the nature of this commitment, but it is on a deadline that's rapidly approaching. Once I clear that threshold, things should start moving a little faster, and I don't think I'll be going below a minimum of one update per week. But I'm just keeping you all abreast of the situation. Please feel free to continue your ongoing discussion, and I'll talk to you all again soon.
On this one I will claim a little creative licence - for a few reasons. It's now over four years past the POD - and we're looking at the industry that's been affected the earliest by the changes it wrought. The butterflies are out in full force, and as I mentioned earlier, casting is perhaps the most ephemeral aspect of film and television production. Everything has to line up just right. And it's not as if I picked Dreyfuss and Marshall's names out of a hat - both were finalists for their respective roles IOTL.
Their interpretations of Richard and Gloria will be a major focus of the next update to cover the series.Glen said:
It doesn't surprise me that the #1 show for five years running made it to Okinawa - though I imagine the references to Nixon after Jimmy Carter had been inaugurated would be awfully jarring. Then again, people still love the show even today, right?
I have to admit, that's not a route I was planning on taking, but it does suit the timeline, and where would we be without the announcement (which, ironically enough, is always voiced in addition to being displayed on-screen) that "this program is available in closed-captioning for the hearing-impaired"? Expect an update to pop up (joea64 said:
) at some later point in the "Me Decade".It wasn't intended by Lear, but it was intended by O'Connor. Don't get me wrong: O'Connor was just as liberal as Lear, perhaps even more so; but he understood that Archie was the salt of the Earth, a hard worker who held his views because of ignorance and missed opportunities, and who did, to be fair, grow as a character throughout the show's run. Mike, on the other hand, was a classic ivory tower, limousine liberal hypocrite (the episode "The Games Bunkers Play", one of my personal favourites, demonstrates this beautifully) who never, ever budged or learned to compromise. I'll get into this delicate balance of character and ideology some more later on, but this is part of the reason that I'm choosing to focus on this show: it's an intriguing sociological experiment.joea64 said:
Maybe, but let's not get ahead of ourselves just yetjoea64 said:I don't have any strong feelings about Penny Marshall, but I quite like Richard Dreyfuss; I would say that if Close Encounters of the Third Kind is made TTL, and Dreyfuss gets the lead, there will be a LOT of jokes.
Every OTL version of the theme song kept the "LaSalle" stanza. Choosing to end the whole song with it, as in most versions, is a big mistake ("I don't know just what went wrong" is much stronger, as is "Where did all that beauty go", the closing line from the 1968 pilot). Another problem is that Archie and Edith sang the line in unison, making it incomprehensible; hence the reason it got more drawn out and clearly enunciated in later versions. In the 1968 pilot, as well as the rendition from TTL, Archie alone sings the line.I'm not going to bust you for keeping it (or say you should change it now
Assuming that the lyrics were meant for the WWI generation, it does explain what is otherwise the oddest line in the song: the longing for Hoover. Surely Calvin Coolidge would fit the meter just fine? But no, they're not talking about President Hoover; they're talking about "The Great Humanitarian" Hoover. So I think you're right on the money.phx1138 said:Or am I missing intentional irony?
Not a fan of "Schlemiel! Schlimazel! Hasenpfeffer Incorporated!", I take it?phx1138 said:An intriguing choice. That would appear to butterfly out "Laverne & Shirley"
Quite remarkable how big a star he was in the 1970s, isn't it? Now, are you formally suggesting Crystal for the role in Graffiti? Because I might just consider it... And as for Duddy Kravitz, I'm sure Richler won't care who plays him, as long as it's a Jewish actor. What's interesting is that, IOTL, Dreyfuss took the role in Jaws as a direct result of his dissatisfaction with his portrayal of Duddy Kravitz.phx1138 said:Casting Richard Dreyfus... That's liable to make him unavailable for "Graffiti".
Richard will indeed be called "Meathead"; that was a term that Norman Lear's father used in real life, and it is too good to go to waste. I'll get into how Dreyfuss' portrayal differs from Reiner's later on, but you're definitely on the right track.phx1138 said:IMO, it dramatically changes the dynamics between Arch & "the Meathead". (Does he even get called that?
Struthers' weakness as an actress (which is actually very common; it's the reason that a lot of actors are so uneven) is that she's only as good as the material she's given. She certainly had her moments on the show, and generally interacted well with both O'Connor and Stapleton. Gloria just wasn't well-written for the most part, and I can't really blame the writers - she was a baby boomer and a female in the era of women's liberation, and none of them had any idea how to write for that. (I suspect part of the reason they made Mike a chauvinist was as tacit acknowledgement of that fact - and to reinforce his hypocritical tendencies.)phx1138 said:I do agree, Struthers was probably the weakest cast member, & a real doormat. How much of that was weak writing for her, IDK. I've never quite figured out how writers will, can, create major characters with no future.
Again, I'll detail her portrayal and how it differs from Struthers' interpretation at a later date, but you are also on the right track.
It looks like the next update won't be ready until this weekend, for a couple of reasons: for one, the dreaded RL is threatening to encroach on me and I'm just barely holding it back; and two, I have another commitment, upon which I'm toiling away. I'm not at liberty to disclose the nature of this commitment, but it is on a deadline that's rapidly approaching. Once I clear that threshold, things should start moving a little faster, and I don't think I'll be going below a minimum of one update per week. But I'm just keeping you all abreast of the situation. Please feel free to continue your ongoing discussion, and I'll talk to you all again soon.
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Hmm, she'd be an interesting choice, but really, we're talking about her for a TTL analogue of Laverne and Shirley, and who knows if that will happen or not ITTL.
Something like that, yes - also, the son-in-law doesn't have to be in every episode of the series, so there can be times where he is filming a movie and only makes occasional appearances.
No, me either.
Ford was marginally interesting. Yar was a twit. Judge by her response to Q in "Farpoint", & I'm wondering how she lived so long as to become Security Officer.
Could be any of the above, but I didn't have the same issues you seemed to have with these characters, especially Yar - they were constantly referencing her backstory and even had an episode dedicated to it, essentially.
So basically he was unrealistic.
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Barbara Carrera
Pam Grier
Joanna Lumley (mainly for Purdey, actually)
Jenny Agutter (Best known, probably, for "Logan's Run", but her breakout as an adult was "Walkabout".)
Lana Wood ("Diamonds are Forever", frex)
Britt Ekland
Delphine Seyrig
Sybil Danning
Jennifer O'Neill
Vonetta McGee (not a big name, to be sure, but...
Tamara Dobson
Lesley-Anne Down
Laura Antonelli
Nastassja Kinski
Brenda Sykes
Sigrid Thornton
Dyanne Thorne (Ilsa of the SS)
There are a few others I recall by bits & piece of films, but not by their names nor names of the film...
Most of these are great additions to the list (actually, I'm certain they all are, but there are some I'm going to have to look up).
Good point.
(Of course, I was so fixated on Emma
LOVED Emma Samms! Yes indeed, I agree!!