That Wacky Redhead

[The Professor]

It's a shame that they weren't active at the same time, but they could have done a collaberation with The Mamas and The Papas called The BABAPAPAS.

Cheers,
Nigel.

And we thought Mr Blobby came out of nowhere

 

[NCW8]

Well in OTL she is mainly theatre, telly and radio with a few films thrown in (OK most of those have been successful but then she's a very good actor)

You're right, the most remarkable thing about Dame Judi's movie career is that it is something of a sideline for her. In an ATL where she stars in Cats, she has a good chance of getting a top ten hit with Memory - maybe the start of another sideline ?

Cheers,
Nigel.

 

[Lindseyman]

You're right, the most remarkable thing about Dame Judi's movie career is that it is something of a sideline for her. In an ATL where she stars in Cats, she has a good chance of getting a top ten hit with Memory - maybe the start of another sideline ?

Cheers,
Nigel.

Perhaps that scuppers her Damehood?
You only get one of those or a knighthood for theatrical work (very few exceptions, Stanley Baker being the only one that springs to mind). Richard Burton never got one despite possibly being the best actor of his generation and Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellern only got theirs AFTER coming back and doing lots of proper acting (ie theatre)

 

[NCW8]

Perhaps that scuppers her Damehood?
You only get one of those or a knighthood for theatrical work (very few exceptions, Stanley Baker being the only one that springs to mind). Richard Burton never got one despite possibly being the best actor of his generation and Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellern only got theirs AFTER coming back and doing lots of proper acting (ie theatre)

There have been some musicians who have got knighthoods, but not many of them.

I didn't really envisage her giving up her stage career, but maybe having a small singing career on the side. Something of a mirror image of Barbara Dickson, who is mainly a singer, but also had some success in musical theatre.

Cheers,
Nigel.

 

[Lindseyman]

Sorry I should have made it clear that I meant that Knight/Dame hoods for actors are almost exclusively given for theatre not anything else (No matter how good the actor is in other mediums)

(I shudder at the thought that in some far distant timeline there is a Sir William Shatner a respected Shakespearean stage actor)

 

[NCW8]

(I shudder at the thought that in some far distant timeline there is a Sir William Shatner a respected Shakespearean stage actor)

Well it could happen. Shatner was a fan of iambic pentameter, after all.

Cheers,
Nigel.

 

[Yvonmukluk]

All this talk of actors pursuing different careers is making me wonder what will become of Colin Baker in TTL? He went into acting specifically to become the Doctor, pretty much (he was originally a solicitor before becoming an acting at about the same time Patrick Troughton became the Doctor). I'm sure he's probably just as keen ITTL as he was in ours to be the Doctor. And who knows? Maybe he'll get a fair shake here, rather than being forced out by the management.

But only Brainbin knows for sure.

Loving the TL!

 

[NCW8]

All this talk of actors pursuing different careers is making me wonder what will become of Colin Baker in TTL? He went into acting specifically to become the Doctor, pretty much (he was originally a solicitor before becoming an acting at about the same time Patrick Troughton became the Doctor). I'm sure he's probably just as keen ITTL as he was in ours to be the Doctor. And who knows? Maybe he'll get a fair shake here, rather than being forced out by the management.

He did get a number of roles in the Seventies, including playing Paul Merroney in The Bothers and Bayban the Butcher in an episode of Blake's 7. He almost seems to have been typecast playing the bad guy. Maybe he'll play a villain in Doctor Who ITTL - he might even get to shoot the Doctor!

Cheers,
Nigel.

 

[Ultimate Paragon]

I like this timeline.

 

[Yvonmukluk]

He did get a number of roles in the Seventies, including playing Paul Merroney in The Bothers and Bayban the Butcher in an episode of Blake's 7. He almost seems to have been typecast playing the bad guy. Maybe he'll play a villain in Doctor Who ITTL - he might even get to shoot the Doctor!

Cheers,
Nigel.

And then, just like in OTL, he'll bag the role by virtue of shooting the incumbent.

 

[Orville_third]

Well it could happen. Shatner was a fan of iambic pentameter, after all.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Indeed- though you'd have to get rid of the Nickle Resolution.
BTW, here's an old pic with two future (OTL and TTL) starship captains.

http://tintorera.livejournal.com/76008.html

 

[Brainbin]

Well in OTL she is mainly theatre, telly and radio with a few films thrown in (OK most of those have been successful but then she's a very good actor)

I've never seen Mrs Brown, though my understanding is that she deserved the Oscar for it, and only lost because the vote was split between four Serious British Thespians, allowing the Lone American (Helen Hunt, for As Good As It Gets) to come up the middle. (This has happened several times - Marisa Tomei's controversial win for My Cousin Vinny was against four Serious British Thespians, for example, as was Robert Duvall's win for Tender Mercies - he's even quoted as having said "I guess it's me against the limeys.")

If she had won for Mrs Brown, she almost certainly wouldn't have won her consolation Oscar the following year for Shakespeare in Love - the second-shortest performance ever to win an Academy Award (about six minutes long - behind Beatrice Straight for Network at five minutes). Perhaps she wouldn't even be nominated (although she might be anyway - Geoffrey Rush was too, after all - and I have seen that movie; he's more deserving of a Razzie than an Oscar for that performance).

One imagines there might even be a Russian influenced album called BABA yaga or something

Well they did have "The Visitors" OTL — the title track (among others) of which was "inspired" by the Soviet Union...

Welcome aboard, redlibertyx! And an excellent observation: ABBA tended to be very internationalist, which was appropriate given their worldwide popularity.

You're right, the most remarkable thing about Dame Judi's movie career is that it is something of a sideline for her. In an ATL where she stars in Cats, she has a good chance of getting a top ten hit with Memory - maybe the start of another sideline ?

I should point out that in the United States, "Memory" is associated with neither Elaine Paige nor Betty Buckley, but with Barbra Streisand and Barry Manilow, both of whom released cover versions in the early-1980s. Therefore, if Dench gets the role, she still won't get the hit stateside, even if she were part of the Original Broadway Cast.

All this talk of actors pursuing different careers is making me wonder what will become of Colin Baker in TTL? He went into acting specifically to become the Doctor, pretty much (he was originally a solicitor before becoming an acting at about the same time Patrick Troughton became the Doctor). I'm sure he's probably just as keen ITTL as he was in ours to be the Doctor. And who knows? Maybe he'll get a fair shake here, rather than being forced out by the management.

But only Brainbin knows for sure.

Loving the TL!

Glad you're still reading, Yvonmukluk! I can't say I'm surprised that someone would bring up one of the later Doctors, though from what I understand, Colin Baker's tenure was quite unpopular, and marked the beginning of the show's inexorable decline. I suppose you're rooting for his redemption ITTL?

I like this timeline.

Thank you very much, Ultimate Paragon, and welcome aboard!

Indeed- though you'd have to get rid of the Nickle Resolution.

Indeed. One of the great ironies: the planned American constitutional amendment which would forbid citizens from holding titles of nobility or revoke their citizenship was never ratified, and indeed many Americans are titled (though unrecognized as such) - but in Canada, the Nickle Resolution prevents even joint citizens from holding British titles - even knighthoods. (This despite the PM who approved the Nickle Resolution, Sir Robert Borden, being a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of St Michael and St George.)

BTW, here's an old pic with two future (OTL and TTL) starship captains.

Great picture, Orville, but I don't recall ever confirming that Lorne Greene was in Galactica ITTL. (He was in Police Squad!, though. For about ten seconds )

 

[NCW8]

Glad you're still reading, Yvonmukluk! I can't say I'm surprised that someone would bring up one of the later Doctors, though from what I understand, Colin Baker's tenure was quite unpopular, and marked the beginning of the show's inexorable decline. I suppose you're rooting for his redemption ITTL?

To an extent, he's been redeemed IOTL, thanks in large part to Big Finish. Many of the problems of his era can be put down to the production decisions of John Nathan-Turner.

Cheers,
Nigel.

 

[Yvonmukluk]

Glad you're still reading, Yvonmukluk! I can't say I'm surprised that someone would bring up one of the later Doctors, though from what I understand, Colin Baker's tenure was quite unpopular, and marked the beginning of the show's inexorable decline. I suppose you're rooting for his redemption ITTL?

Well, as NCW8 notes, he's gained a fair degree of redemption already, having been voted the best Doctor of all when it comes to the Audio format and having a clear love for the show, despite the blame unfairly assigned to him. Between that and his interest in the show existing before the POD, the idea of him auditioning for the role is far from unlikely. He'd certainly give it his all there as he did here (it's entirely possible he'd have tried to beat Tom's record if he could) except not get forced out by the management[1]...

[1]As such, he's the only Doctor not to appear in the regeneration story[2], instead having Sylvester McCoy in his costume and a blond wig with his face obscured by bad VFX. As such Colin's jokingly claimed he never stopped being the Doctor, with all his successors being imposters.

[2]Paul McGann's Eighth Doctor shared this honour when the advent of the revival and Christopher Eccleston's Ninth Doctor appearing fully-formed and behaving like he had just regenerated by inspecting his appearance ('[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ah, could've been worse. Look at the ears.')[/FONT], which led to fans assuming McGann regenerated offscreen[3], with the establishment of the Time War in the backstory as the likely impetus. Stephen Moffat actually took advantage of this to retroactively insert John Hurt's War Doctor into the gap, showing both McGann's regeneration into Hurt and Hurt's into Eccleston (in both cases the full regeneration was not shown, since in the first case it was into a young John Hurt, and in the second Eccleston chose not to reprise his role), and as such leaving Colin once more on his own. One wonders if he took inspiration from Colin's joke.

[3]A small subset of fans believe it rendered the 1998 TV movie non-canon, despite the Seventh Doctor appearing onscreen and regenerating into the Eighth.

I'll stop blathering on about Doctor Who now. Thanks for the reply and carry on the great work!

 

[Orville_third]

Great picture, Orville, but I don't recall ever confirming that Lorne Greene was in Galactica ITTL. (He was in Police Squad!, though. For about ten seconds )

True- though you did say:

So now we know a little more about [/FONT] Galactica ITTL! It’s largely the same as the OTL version, though with a (slightly) different name, a different production company, a different network, and (most importantly) a second season! We’ll hear more about the show in future overview updates.

(Bolding mine)

 

[Daibhid C]

But would the 1978 Scottish World Cup Song (TM) necessarily have anti-English lyrics? You mention "We Have A Dream" from 1982, leading me to check that song's lyrics, and I found nothing explicitly anti-English (unless I'm failing to read between the lines). Who's to say that *"Ally's Tartan Army" doesn't butterfly the references to England entirely? Perhaps I'm misjudging his intentions, but Cameron seems to be encouraging his fellow Britons to rally round the only British team to have made the playoffs in solidarity as opposed to simply kicking England when they're down. What I will say is that a Top 10 finish on the charts seems virtually guaranteed for whichever song emerges - IOTL, "Ally's Tartan Army" reached #6, and "We Have A Dream" did it one better at #5 - with England in the World Cup. Figure that one out

You could be right; I think Cameron's intent was to do both (in my more cynical moments, I suspect he wanted to do the latter while claiming to do the former), but now I think about it, it's probably more likely he'd skip the whole can of worms if England could dae it.

 

[Brainbin]

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm working on the next update and hope to have it ready soon. Thank you all for your continued patience

I also wanted to announce the first-ever mention of That Wacky Redhead in the Alternate History Weekly Update, specifically in the first part of a recent two-part series concerning video games in alternate history timelines. I'd like to thank Pyro for writing the article(s) and for mentioning TWR therein!

Many of the problems of his era can be put down to the production decisions of John Nathan-Turner.

So I've heard, although to be honest, 1980s Doctor Who sounds like a definite case of too many egos spoiling the broth.

I'll stop blathering on about Doctor Who now. Thanks for the reply and carry on the great work!

You're far from the only one to carry on about Doctor Who But thank you for the compliment

True- though you did say:

Indeed I did, though as a general rule, casting is one of the easiest things to change about any project - unless it's a star vehicle, or a role was written with a particular actor in mind. In fact, given my POD, I think I really went out on a limb to cast Walter Koenig as Chekov on Star Trek, and I've always wondered if I should have cast someone younger. (Seriously, he's older than George Takei! ) I probably won't, though, if only because keeping him allows me to have the six principal male cast members sharing the same three names amongst themselves and their characters: James (Kirk and Doohan), Leonard (McCoy and Nimoy), and Walter (Sulu and Koenig).

You could be right; I think Cameron's intent was to do both (in my more cynical moments, I suspect he wanted to do the latter while claiming to do the former), but now I think about it, it's probably more likely he'd skip the whole can of worms if England could dae it.

Well, then, there we have it - consider the lyrical content of "Ally's Tartan Army" officially butterflied ITTL

 

[The Walkman]

Forget all this talk about ABBA/FABB/Ali BABA/whatever they're called. I'm just concerned about if Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath still exist ITTL.

 

[Miss Teri]

Forget all this talk about ABBA/FABB/Ali BABA/whatever they're called. I'm just concerned about if Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath still exist ITTL.

Probably. Led Zeppelin formed in 1968. Sabbath in 1969. The POD, as I recall, was in 1966-1967. So, the elements leading to their formation would likely be the same. The butterflies from the POD aren't likely to affect them.

 

[The Professor]

Forget all this talk about ABBA/FABB/Ali BABA/whatever they're called. I'm just concerned about if Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath still exist ITTL.

Probably. Led Zeppelin formed in 1968. Sabbath in 1969. The POD, as I recall, was in 1966-1967. So, the elements leading to their formation would likely be the same. The butterflies from the POD aren't likely to affect them.

black sABBAth?