To be extremely lenient, Americans in general are a bit rubbish at picking up British or Colonial accents.
Well now, let's be fair - it's not as though a great many Britons are any good at putting on American accents, either ;)

I want this. It makes sweet sweet love to my eyes.
Isn't she a beauty? :D And the great thing is, as 3D printing becomes more accessible and affordable in the years to come, such models will be even easier to acquire!

It does sound like he's taking a tour around the Commonwealth. I think that he's been to the Dick Van Dyke School of Cockney as well. The Great Paris would be ashamed of him.
That is Paris, actually, which makes it even more horrifying :eek:
 

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Well now, let's be fair - it's not as though a great many Britons are any good at putting on American accents, either ;)

And as my Australian friends tell me, neither are generally good at doing an Aussie accent.

Isn't she a beauty? :D And the great thing is, as 3D printing becomes more accessible and affordable in the years to come, such models will be even easier to acquire!

It's certainly a technology to watch. Was your model made with a home printer or a commercial model ? I've thought about buying one after I found that Theo Jansen was selling designs for models of his Strandbeests, but from what I read, home printers don't quite have the accuracy required.

That is Paris, actually, which makes it even more horrifying :eek:

I wasn't sure - it's a while since I saw him in MI.


Cheers,
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Something for my British readership to stew over while work continues apace on the next update: the changing shape of local government in England!

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This is how England would have looked had Labour won re-election in 1970 (which, of course, it did ITTL), under the recommendations of the Redcliffe-Maud Report. All of these 62 local government areas would have been unitary authorities, organized under the following names:

  1. Northumberland
  2. Tyneside
  3. Durham
  4. Sunderland & East Durham
  5. Teesside
  6. York
  7. Bradford
  8. Leeds
  9. Halifax
  10. Huddersfield
  11. Mid Yorkshire
  12. Sheffield & South Yorkshire
  13. Doncaster
  14. North Humberside
  15. South Humberside
  16. Cumberland & North Westmorland
  17. Furness & North Lancashire
  18. The Fylde
  19. Preston-Leyland-Chorley
  20. Blackburn
  21. Burnley
  22. Merseyside (metropolitan area)
  23. Selnec (metropolitan area)
  24. Stoke & North Staffordshire
  25. West Midlands (metropolitan area)
  26. Shropshire
  27. Hereford & South Worcestershire
  28. Coventry & Warwickshire
  29. Derby & Derbyshire
  30. Nottingham & Nottinghamshire
  31. Leicester & Leicestershire
  32. Lincoln & Lincolnshire
  33. Cornwall
  34. Plymouth
  35. Exeter & Devon
  36. Somerset
  37. Bristol & Bath
  38. North Gloucestershire
  39. Wiltshire
  40. Bournemouth & Dorset
  41. Peterborough-North Fens
  42. Cambridge-South Fens
  43. Norwich & Norfolk
  44. Ipswich, Suffolk & North East Essex
  45. Oxford & Oxfordshire
  46. Northampton & Northamptonshire
  47. Bedford & North Buckinghamshire
  48. Mid-Buckinghamshire
  49. Luton & West Hertfordshire
  50. East Hertfordshire
  51. Essex
  52. Reading & Berkshire
  53. West Surrey
  54. East Surrey
  55. West Kent
  56. Canterbury & East Kent
  57. Southampton & South Hampshire
  58. Portsmouth, South East Hampshire & Isle of Wight
  59. West Sussex
  60. Brighton & Mid-Sussex
  61. East Sussex
The 62nd and final unitary area (denoted by an asterisk on the map) is the already-existent Greater London.

I was discussing this with Thande, and he agreed that the Whitelaw Tories would not reverse the essence of these changes once they assumed power in 1974 (partly on the back of the incredibly hostile reaction to them by the electorate, it must be said), but, at the very least, some of the names of these unitary authorities would likely be changed, likely to more closely resemble pre-1970s local or regional nomenclature. I have some ideas, but I decided to open it up to the thread for input.
 
This is how England would have looked had Labour won re-election in 1970 (which, of course, it did ITTL), under the recommendations of the Redcliffe-Maud Report. All of these 62 local government areas would have been unitary authorities, organized under the following names:


24. Stoke & North Staffordshire
25. West Midlands (metropolitan area)
26. Shropshire

You've got rid of South Staffordshire ! That's going to be very unpopular. IOTL, many people from around the Walsall/Wolverhampton area insisted that they were still in Staffordshire rather than West Midlands. That's going to be even more the case ITTL.

A number of organisations, including the Scouts and the Police, prefer to use the name "West Mercia" rather than "West Midlands". That is one possibility for an official name change.


Cheers,
Nigel.
 
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Boring...

I'd just like to say that all of these Government Areas look about as boring as you can get, at least to my American eye. The only mild oddities in the borders to me are:
1) The wierd divots in each direction on the 27/38 border
2) The Isle of Wight going in with 58, but I guess with Ryde being the largest Isle of Wight city and being opposite Portsmouth, that makes sense.
3) 52 seems to stretch a lot farther from London than the other ones directly bordering that..

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I would assume Selnec would have a name change to something non-acronymic - most likely Greater Manchester (although it's rather larger than OTL's Greater Manchester - looks like TTL's county includes Warrington, plus a lot more of Cheshire).

West Mercia Police is a different area to West Midlands Police - the West Mercia police force covers Shropshire, Herefordshire and Worcestershire (i.e. 26 and 27 on the map, rather than 25).

Edit: Maybe Manchester & North Cheshire? The name fits with some of the other new counties.
 
North Humberside would be East Yorkshire
South Humberside either North Lincolnshire or Lindsey, more likely the former as Lindsey historically included Lincoln.

Humberside was a creation that neither side wanted!
 
West Mercia Police is a different area to West Midlands Police - the West Mercia police force covers Shropshire, Herefordshire and Worcestershire (i.e. 26 and 27 on the map, rather than 25).

That's true. Part of the confusion OTL is that "West Midlands" and "West Mercia" are both used to refer to the region and the county. Using "West Mercia" as the county name and keeping "West Midlands" as the region name would make more sense (so of course it'll never happen).

I'd just like to say that all of these Government Areas look about as boring as you can get, at least to my American eye. The only mild oddities in the borders to me are:
1) The wierd divots in each direction on the 27/38 border
2) The Isle of Wight going in with 58, but I guess with Ryde being the largest Isle of Wight city and being opposite Portsmouth, that makes sense.
3) 52 seems to stretch a lot farther from London than the other ones directly bordering that..

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The county shapes are actually somewhat more rational than the OTL ones. For example, you don't have the South Staffs pan-handle, which I've always thought was created due to influential people in the Seisdon rural district not wanting to be lumped in with the mainly urban West Midlands county.

As in OTL, the main controversy here is not the re-organisation itself, but rather the removing of historical counties, such as the splitting of Yorkshire and the disappearance of Rutland.

Part of the reason for the new county structure is the fact that a number of towns had grown in importance during the Industrial Revolution and this wasn't reflected in the historical county organisation. For that reason Birmingham got given its own county. Adding Wolverhampton and surrounding towns to that county also made sense as they had closer links to Birmingham. It also made Staffordshire a mostly rural county, apart from Stoke in the north, and helped improve the position of the county town of Stafford - it had been somewhat overshadowed by Wolverhampton and Stoke. I'm not quite sure where the border runs, but it looks like Stafford is part of West Midlands county ITTL.

Edit: And since this is a Popular Culture TL, it's worth remembering that Rutland gave its name to Rutland Weekend Television, written by Eric Idle and Neil Innes.

Cheers,
Nigel.
 
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Something for my British readership to stew over while work continues apace on the next update: the changing shape of local government in England!
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I have some ideas, but I decided to open it up to the thread for input.
Good grief, I'd forgotten just how awful some of those boundaries were...

For Tory renamings, I think the main targets would be replacing the more Newspeaky ones either with what the locals want or at least with more historically significant ones (even if not perhaps corresponding to that exact area). For example, Mid Yorkshire could be Elmet, North Humberside could be Hullshire, and Lindsey (or North Lindsey) for South Humberside. "Preston-Leyland-Chorley" (which sounds dreadfully like a Canadian riding name, no offence ;) ) could perhaps become Rheged, a name for an old Brythonic kingdom that has somewhat caught on in Lancashire today.

Ironically it's my own Doncaster that seems to have escaped the most unscathed...though Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Leicestershire are all OK too.

I think there will definitely be boundary changes to the "Town and half of an unrelated county" type authorities in the Home Counties (esp. Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire) under a Tory government, just because the people who are greatly annoyed by this will have the government's ear.
 
I'm very pleased to see that my announcement about local government in England has elicited such strong reactions! :D However, I was deliberately vague in the details before, and now I'll help to complicate the picture by introducing the finer points of the Redcliffe-Maud Report, and how the Wilson government would have tweaked their recommendations. You will note from above the existence of "metropolitan areas" - these, as in Greater London, would have been divided into districts.

Here is the responsibilities as they were laid out in the original report:

  • Provincial councils: Drawing up of strategic development plans. They were to take over the functions of the existing Regional Economic Planning Councils.
  • Unitary area councils: Both physical environment and personal services.
  • Metropolitan area councils: Planning, transport and general housing policy.
  • Metropolitan district councils: Education and personal social services.
Provinces, you say? Well, yes - there were to be eight of them, and they were to be laid out along these lines:


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Largely similar to the OTL regions of England, though with Greater London subsumed within the South East. Their names are, unsurprisingly:

  1. North East
  2. Yorkshire
  3. North West
  4. West Midlands
  5. East Midlands
  6. South West
  7. East Anglia
  8. South East
Now, I may be biased, of course, but I'm inclined to prefer the term "provinces" over that of "regions". I'm aware that the European parlance is often for "provinces" to be subdivisions of larger "regions" (the exact opposite of Canadian parlance - although technically Canada has regions within provinces within regions - but it is the second-largest country in the world, after all) - but remember that the United Kingdom is not part of the EEC ITTL, so that's less of a concern anyway.

As I mentioned before, the Wilson government intended to tweak the Redcliffe-Maud boundaries before tabling the relevant legislation, and here's what they had in mind:

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I've coloured the metropolitan areas in blue. Two new ones were added: "West Yorkshire" (which merged Bradford, Leeds, Halifax, Huddersfield, and Mid Yorkshire - all of which would have become metropolitan districts - into one metropolitan area), and "South Hampshire" (which merged Southampton & South Hampshire, along with Portsmouth, South East Hampshire & Isle of Wight) together - the Isle of Wight was specifically noted as being its own metropolitan district within the new area, which is similar to a boundary change I was considering (making the Isle of Wight its own authority). So there would have been 57 areas going into 1974, not 62.

I've decided to take your advice into consideration, along with implementing my own ideas, to produce these new names for the areas:

  1. Northumberland
  2. Tyneside
  3. Durham
  4. Sunderland & East Durham -> Sunderland
  5. Teesside
  6. York -> North Riding of Yorkshire
  7. Bradford -> 7. West Riding of Yorkshire (metropolitan area)
  8. Leeds -> 7. West Riding of Yorkshire (metropolitan area)
  9. Halifax -> 7. West Riding of Yorkshire (metropolitan area)
  10. Huddersfield -> 7. West Riding of Yorkshire (metropolitan area)
  11. Mid Yorkshire -> 7. West Riding of Yorkshire (metropolitan area)
  12. Sheffield & South Yorkshire -> Sheffield
  13. Doncaster
  14. North Humberside -> East Riding of Yorkshire
  15. South Humberside -> Lindsey
  16. Cumberland & North Westmorland -> Cumbria
  17. Furness & North Lancashire -> North Lancashire
  18. The Fylde
  19. Preston-Leyland-Chorley -> Rheged
  20. Blackburn
  21. Burnley
  22. Merseyside (metropolitan area)
  23. Selnec (metropolitan area) -> Greater Manchester (metropolitan area)
  24. Stoke & North Staffordshire -> Staffordshire
  25. West Midlands (metropolitan area)
  26. Shropshire
  27. Hereford & South Worcestershire -> Hereford & Worcestershire
  28. Coventry & Warwickshire -> Warwickshire
  29. Derby & Derbyshire -> Derbyshire
  30. Nottingham & Nottinghamshire -> Nottinghamshire
  31. Leicester & Leicestershire -> Leicestershire
  32. Lincoln & Lincolnshire -> Lincolnshire
  33. Cornwall
  34. Plymouth
  35. Exeter & Devon -> Devon
  36. Somerset
  37. Bristol & Bath -> Avon
  38. North Gloucestershire -> Gloucestershire
  39. Wiltshire
  40. Bournemouth & Dorset -> Dorset
  41. Peterborough-North Fens -> North Cambridgeshire
  42. Cambridge-South Fens -> South Cambridgeshire
  43. Norwich & Norfolk -> Norfolk
  44. Ipswich, Suffolk & North East Essex -> Suffolk
  45. Oxford & Oxfordshire -> Oxfordshire
  46. Northampton & Northamptonshire -> Northamptonshire
  47. Bedford & North Buckinghamshire
  48. Mid-Buckinghamshire
  49. Luton & West Hertfordshire
  50. East Hertfordshire
  51. Essex
  52. Reading & Berkshire -> Berkshire
  53. West Surrey
  54. East Surrey
  55. West Kent
  56. Canterbury & East Kent -> East Kent
  57. Southampton & South Hampshire -> 57. Hampshire (metropolitan area)
  58. Portsmouth, South East Hampshire & Isle of Wight -> 57. Hampshire (metropolitan area)
  59. West Sussex
  60. Brighton & Mid-Sussex -> Brighton
  61. East Sussex
The new (or retained) names are in bold - but nothing is set in stone just yet, so feel free to continue critiquing them! None of the boundaries have yet been changed beyond the planned revisions by Labour IOTL, as shown above, but I've left 47-50 blank in acknowledgement of Thande's point about their borders potentially being rearranged.

You'll note that I went on an anti-ampersand crusade - some of those were sheer redundancies that I eliminated for the sake of sanity - 29 through 32 are good examples of that. The only ampersand I decided to grant a reprieve was for 27, since that area encompasses just about all the land area of both counties, and I didn't feel it would be right to favour one over the other. I might have gone too far with some of my geographical oversimplifications, but again, that's why I'm putting it to all of my readers.

I'd just like to say that all of these Government Areas look about as boring as you can get, at least to my American eye.
I can't help but wonder if that's because your American eye is so strongly accustomed to gerrymanders ;)

I would assume Selnec would have a name change to something non-acronymic - most likely Greater Manchester (although it's rather larger than OTL's Greater Manchester - looks like TTL's county includes Warrington, plus a lot more of Cheshire).
I was definitely planning on dumping "Selnec" (which sounds like a brand of table salt) immediately for "Greater Manchester", which I did.

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Maybe Manchester & North Cheshire? The name fits with some of the other new counties.
Alas, that double-barreling is exactly what I sought to eliminate in renaming, so that wouldn't have worked.

North Humberside would be East Yorkshire
South Humberside either North Lincolnshire or Lindsey, more likely the former as Lindsey historically included Lincoln.
I decided that Lindsey was more fitting than the unromantic "North Lincolnshire", especially since I would have been forced to rename "Lincoln & Lincolnshire" as "South Lincolnshire" otherwise. Humberside is no more - appropriately enough, I was already told about complaints with the name from the other side of the river.

That's true. Part of the confusion OTL is that "West Midlands" and "West Mercia" are both used to refer to the region and the county. Using "West Mercia" as the county name and keeping "West Midlands" as the region name would make more sense (so of course it'll never happen).
Well, speaking from my perspective in having to rename all of these areas, West Mercia doesn't make sense in that there's no county named East Mercia - there's no county named East Midlands either, true, but at least there's something named East Midlands. You'll note that I eliminated any cardinal directions from any county names that only appeared once - with the lone exception of North Lancashire, as it (like Yorkshire next door) has a very strong cultural identity, and many of the people in the South Lancastrian areas would be irate if 17 were known as, simply, "Lancashire" (presumably the reason why 6 was originally named "York" instead of "Yorkshire").

For Tory renamings, I think the main targets would be replacing the more Newspeaky ones either with what the locals want or at least with more historically significant ones (even if not perhaps corresponding to that exact area). For example, Mid Yorkshire could be Elmet, North Humberside could be Hullshire, and Lindsey (or North Lindsey) for South Humberside. "Preston-Leyland-Chorley" (which sounds dreadfully like a Canadian riding name, no offence ;) ) could perhaps become Rheged, a name for an old Brythonic kingdom that has somewhat caught on in Lancashire today.
I admit, "Preston-Leyland-Chorley" did indeed remind me of a Canadian riding (like Dufferin--Peel--Wellington--Grey, for example, where you can also play "spot the 19th century British politician" :p), and Rheged is a delightful name, so thanks for sharing that. For the record, had I not discovered Wilson's plans I probably would have renamed Mid Yorkshire as "Wakefield". And I went with "re-creating" the three ancient ridings of Yorkshire (which have only been dismantled for a couple of years at this point) - I couldn't resist once I found the plans for "West Yorkshire". Doncaster and Sheffield have been left out, of course, but (contrary to my statement above) I don't think they'd be too put out, as they're still in the province of Yorkshire. But since you know Doncaster and Sheffield and Yorkshire so intimately, you can let me know :)

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I think there will definitely be boundary changes to the "Town and half of an unrelated county" type authorities in the Home Counties (esp. Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire) under a Tory government, just because the people who are greatly annoyed by this will have the government's ear.
As noted, for that reason I've left 47-50 alone, pending their reorganization. The only other two in the general area of the Home Counties (at their most broadly defined, and along their frontiers) where I see a potential problem are 40 (where Bournemouth has been tacked onto Dorset from Hampshire, though I note that also happened IOTL and has not been reversed), and 44 (which has some of Essex attached). I still changed their names because they are mostly Dorset and Suffolk, respectively, and adjusting their borders to fix things wouldn't change that, whereas the 47-50 cluster is much more interdependent as far as tweaking is concerned.
 
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Thank you for renaming South Humberside Lindsey. Now for your next trick can you please move Lindsey from Yorkshire:eek::eek::eek: to the East Midlands. As a native of Grimsby whose family moved to York when I was 5 I definitely feel northern but a Yorkshireman NEVER!!!!!! The warehouses for Ross, Birdseye and so on near Grimsby Docks always had such nice things graffittied on them about Yorkshiremen and similarly those in Hull about folk from Lincolnshire. The rivalry may not be as well known as the Lancashire/Yorkshire one but it is every bit as intense at least on either side of the Humber!
You cannot realise how big a shock it was for some when Austin Mitchell a YORKSHIREMAN retained Great Grimsby for Labour after Tony Crossland's death. Now he has been a good MP for Grimsby but still!:rolleyes:
 
Sorry, but why are you all complaining so much? If in OTL the Labour government would have adopted the proposed reform without changes if they had won the election, why should they change it in a TL in which they won the election?
 

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Brainbin said:
As noted, for that reason I've left 47-50 alone, pending their reorganization. The only other two in the general area of the Home Counties (at their most broadly defined, and along their frontiers) where I see a potential problem are 40 (where Bournemouth has been tacked onto Dorset from Hampshire, though I note that also happened IOTL and has not been reversed), and 44 (which has some of Essex attached). I still changed their names because they are mostly Dorset and Suffolk, respectively, and adjusting their borders to fix things wouldn't change that, whereas the 47-50 cluster is much more interdependent as far as tweaking is concerned.
Yes, those ones would probably see more radical changes, and likely more reversions to the older county boundaries or minor modifications thereof.

Thank you for renaming South Humberside Lindsey. Now for your next trick can you please move Lindsey from Yorkshire:eek::eek::eek: to the East Midlands. As a native of Grimsby whose family moved to York when I was 5 I definitely feel northern but a Yorkshireman NEVER!!!!!! The warehouses for Ross, Birdseye and so on near Grimsby Docks always had such nice things graffittied on them about Yorkshiremen and similarly those in Hull about folk from Lincolnshire. The rivalry may not be as well known as the Lancashire/Yorkshire one but it is every bit as intense at least on either side of the Humber!
You cannot realise how big a shock it was for some when Austin Mitchell a YORKSHIREMAN retained Great Grimsby for Labour after Tony Crossland's death. Now he has been a good MP for Grimsby but still!:rolleyes:
I think they'd want to have it in the same province as Yorkshire for economic reasons, but yeah, I think if they just called it "Yorkshire" there would be trouble, hence the horrible compromise of "Humberside" in OTL. Although the modern EU region name of "Yorkshire and the Humber" sounds awkward, it's probably the only way to fix this.

Doncaster and Sheffield have been left out, of course, but (contrary to my statement above) I don't think they'd be too put out, as they're still in the province of Yorkshire. But since you know Doncaster and Sheffield and Yorkshire so intimately, you can let me know :)

I'd suggest merging Sheffield and Doncaster into a South Riding of Yorkshire, more or less analogus to South Yorkshire.
Then they would have to be the farthings of THE Shire!(Where have I heard that one before?):D
I was going to make that point as well :p Even though 4 divisions should really be farthings rather than ridings, I think it would still end up being called a "South Riding" (I mean Canada has hundreds of the things :p ). Anyway, while Doncaster would likely remain separate because that's how the original report had it, I would suggest not using just the name "Sheffield" because it would piss off Rotherham and Barnsley too much. Either keep the original "Sheffield and South Yorkshire", just call it "South Yorkshire" (despite not including Doncaster), or if we're going with more poetic names, "Southumbria" might be usable as that was an old Anglo-Saxon term for the region. (Even though you'd think it would make more sense for North Lincolnshire).

All of this, btw, is excellent news for Doncaster Transport - without South Yorkshire County Council (aka the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire) we won't have our cheap and profitable bus services destroyed by a centralised authority that liked using our money to subsidise Sheffield transport.

Sorry, but why are you all complaining so much? If in OTL the Labour government would have adopted the proposed reform without changes if they had won the election, why should they change it in a TL in which they won the election?
We're not talking about that, we're talking about what the Tories will do to tinker with it when they take power a few years later.
 
We're not talking about that, we're talking about what the Tories will do to tinker with it when they take power a few years later.
I bet that the Tories will only change it if they come to the conclusion that a change will help them and hinder Labour.
There are always two reasons for such reforms:
- Money
- Political Influence
 

Thande

Donor
I bet that the Tories will only change it if they come to the conclusion that a change will help them and hinder Labour.
Exactly, and this would be a populist cause for them to latch onto because these local government reforms would be even more unpopular than the OTL ones.

As far as local government reforms directly favouring one party over another, the Tories generally like two-tier government with county councils and borough councils (because power is split between the two councils, it gives them more influence over the cities which are also included as part of the county council) while Labour like splitting the cities off as unitary authorities, as urban areas tend to vote Labour and that gives Labour a better chance of getting total power over the city.

Also, to bring this up to date, I have learned that the modern British government is still just as enamoured of patently stupid local government reforms designed by committee: there are currently plans to merge all the Merseyside councils into a single larger authority. What is this called, you ask yourselves? Certainly not anything sensible like, er, Merseyside, or Greater Liverpool. It will be called The Halton, Knowsley, Liverpool, St Helens, Sefton and Wirral Combined Authority! Makes "Selnec" above look positively sensible by comparison.
 
Great Tl, slowly moving through.
All of this, btw, is excellent news for Doncaster Transport - without South Yorkshire County Council (aka the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire) we won't have our cheap and profitable bus services destroyed by a centralised authority that liked using our money to subsidise Sheffield transport.

It used to be good? The only reason I remember it at all positively is because I now live in Conwy, where Arriva are incorrigible price-gougers (a child's single now costs almost as much as a return did when I first arrived).
 
Well, speaking from my perspective in having to rename all of these areas, West Mercia doesn't make sense in that there's no county named East Mercia - there's no county named East Midlands either, true, but at least there's something named East Midlands.

Interesting argument. I'll think about it further the next time I travel from West Anglia to Southumbria.

Cheers,
Nigel.
 
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