That Wacky Redhead

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Brainbin, Nov 18, 2011.

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  1. Brainbin Kingpin of the Cultural Cartel

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    A lot of people (myself included) tend to regard sitcoms as a sort of comfort food - this is why they enjoy such enduring popularity in syndication.

    Thank you, Lindseyman!

    If only you were alive and in power during the nineteenth century ;)

    An intriguing interpretation. It's very obvious, watching that clip, how much that program owed to Doctor Who, though :p

    I think Almighty Janitor is probably too strong a term to describe either Mash or Harman. They're just foils to the sales staff.

    It appears that his hunger strike was precipitated by a broken campaign promise on the part of the Conservatives, who had pledged to create an exclusively Welsh-language service in 1979. So it depends on whether Whitelaw would be as amenable to that as Mrs Thatcher was (or at least pretended to be) IOTL.

    Isn't it amazing, the stories that parents come up with to tell their children when the truth is too complicated for them to wrap their heads around?

    Thank you, Daibhid!

    That reminds me of the jokes about the ever-rising number of blades on the razors - how many are they up to by now?

    Fortunately, that serial has been butterflied away ITTL. The hints that the setting might be Next Sunday A.D. ITTL are fewer, and farther between.

    Hard to believe the practice of numbering movie sequels only really got started in the 1970s; and so you have to play guessing games with franchises like Dirty Harry or Planet of the Apes. Even the original Star Wars movies, known in the 1980s by their titles, are today often (though not always) recalled by episode number.

    Reminds me of the old chestnut about how anybody in the late-19th century could have predicted the rise of the automobile - but it would take a real genius to have predicted urban sprawl and gridlock. For all that we've proven remarkably adaptable as a species, we sure seem to have trouble thinking outside the box.

    I wouldn't dare presume to attempt writing synopses for what has often been described as the greatest sitcom in the English language.

    Columbo followed a very similar progression to the one he did IOTL, due in large part to the chronological proximity of its debut to the POD.

    Not to mention MuppetVision.

    I'm sure Griffiths would play the Fifth Doctor in a manner deemed appropriate by the writers and producers of Doctor Who.

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    If you've not yet voted for the Turtledoves, and you enjoy reading That Wacky Redhead, please consider voting for the timeline in the following categories:

    Best Continuing Cold War Period Timeline - Every vote counts, and I would very much appreciate your help in giving TWR a strong showing :)

    Best Continuing Character - Lucille Ball, That Wacky Redhead herself, is nominated! It would be a tremendous honour for her, and for myself, if she were to win this one.
     
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  2. The Walkman Rowdy before Rowdy was cool

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    This makes me happy, as I've always been a fan of Mr. Falk's work. But to me, he'll always be the grumpy grandfather from The Princess Bride first, and Columbo second. ;)

    I voted for both. So far, Lucy is actually winning her category...by a considerable margin! :D
     
  3. Mr Teufel Active Member

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    My parents were very fond of Columbo, not least because the protagonist drove the same car my Dad did! Peugeot 404, I think. So how was the rest of Peter Falks career?
     
  4. NCW8 Being Analogue in a Digital World

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    True, although the horror in Sapphire & Steel is more Lovecraftian than Doctor Who generally got.


    That's a shame. You've butterflied away the Brigadier's best known piece of dialog.


    Cheers,
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  5. Lindseyman Am I a Northerner? I think that I am!

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    Agree with NCW8 about "The Daemons". Pertwees "tomorrow afternoon" stories in Doctor Who were nearly always better than his traditional ones! However why was this Master as interested in Earth as the Doctor?
     
  6. Mr Teufel Active Member

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    I'm reluctant to vote, as this is the only Alt History Thread I read. :p
     
  7. THE OBSERVER Independent Progressive

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    Brainbin, when you do another update on films, will you please give Peter Sellers the Academy Award for Best Actor for Being There? It should be nice to reward him for a role which he was very passionate about. IOTL, he was upset when he lost to Dustin Hoffman in Kramer vs. Kramer, an overrated film in my opinion. A film that took the Best Picture Oscar that Apocalypse Now deserved.
     
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  8. Brainbin Kingpin of the Cultural Cartel

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    As you wish. (Alas, The Princess Bride was not released until 1987, even notwithstanding the 20 years of butterflies.)

    Thank you! I truly appreciate your votes (and everyone else's, for that matter; please keep them coming! :)).

    Peter Falk has been doing very well for himself ITTL, as IOTL - a superlative character actor such as himself can always find work.

    Once again, I never said I was writing a utopia!

    Are you referring to the Master as he appears in the crossover ITTL? :confused:

    I admire your integrity, Mr Teufel.

    Well, I remind you that the POD takes place thirteen years before Being There was released IOTL - far enough back that Sellers saw his career collapse, and then recover, in the interim. The original novella from which Being There was adapted had not been written until 1970 (although, apparently, it was heavily "inspired" by an earlier book). There's a question of whether the opportunity will become available to Sellers ITTL, or whether he will even live that long (he was never in the best of health).

    The next update is coming along, slowly but surely. I'll try for the end of the month, as usual, but I can't promise anything.
     
  9. Lindseyman Am I a Northerner? I think that I am!

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    No, I was referring to the OTL Master played by Roger Delgado but the question does apply equally well to ITTL Master played by Roger Delgado.
     
  10. nixonshead Well-Known Member

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    This reminds me of a slightly snide little transatlantic comment I remember hearing somewhere, along the lines of "'A Character Actor' is the American name for what we in Britain call 'An Actor'" ;)
     
  11. NCW8 Being Analogue in a Digital World

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    OTL, it looks like initially they tried to provide reasons for the Master staying on Earth. In Terror of the Autons, the Doctor stole his Dematerialisation circuit strading him on Earth, but he got it back again in The Mind of Evil. In The Claws of Axos, the Axons forced the Master to help them with their invasion plans while in Colony in Space (which of course wasn't set on Earth), the Timelords sent the Doctor to Uxarieus to deal with the Master. There was no real explanation why he came back to Earth for The Daemons, but he was captured and held in prison until The Sea Devils (in the next season).

    I suspect that something similar will happen ITTL. A lot will depend upon whether TTL's season eight is mostly Earth-based (as IOTL) or whether the Doctor will be allowed some limited freedom of movement (as in season nine OTL). This could be because he is performing missions on behalf of the Timelords - something that IOTL has been suggested as an explanation for the Second Doctor's appearance in The Two Doctors and is the basis of Season 6B.


    Cheers,
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  12. Brainbin Kingpin of the Cultural Cartel

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    I bow to those who have a greater knowledge of Doctor Who history than myself to answer that one, but ITTL, the Master is part of the crossover because he was planned as the primary villain, and introducing him in the "gateway" episode to attract American audiences simply makes the most sense.

    Erm... well, yes. Rather quite ;)

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    Work on the next update continues apace, but I've decided to share some images that were developed in the wake of the previous one. It was suggested to me, and I agreed, that the Commonwealth would eventually seek an alternate logo rather than fall back on the Union Jack. So, with help from e of pi, who assisted with the design (and actually drew the thing, since my artistic abilities are extremely limited) and nixonshead, who provided a sounding board and some image cleanup, I present to you:

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    The logo of the Commonwealth of Nations! The basic shape is modeled on the WWII-era RAF roundel, chosen because it was (and still is, even IOTL) also used by the RCAF, RAAF, and RNZAF (with different symbols in red - the maple leaf, kangaroo, and kiwi, respectively - which also inspired the changing of the dot into a globe, the sole allusion to the OTL design). The colours are, of course, the colours of the Union Jack, though they are also, of course, those of the Tricolore and Old Glory, representing the three great Western Democracies, so they shouldn't be construed as exclusively British. The eight "rays" of the globe, which turn it into a sun, are also a nod to the eight points of the Union Jack, in addition to the old truism that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" - it never sets on the Commonwealth, either :cool:

    Unlike IOTL, this logo was also properly adapted into flag form:

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    The design was introduced at the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in 1977, held in none other than London, and was commissioned and introduced by Prime Minister Willie Whitelaw. Now, granted, he had a very good and immediate reason for doing so, but we'll get into that when the time comes ;)

    I plan on integrating these images into the last update, but I thought I would share them with everyone first, and invite your reactions.
     
  13. Lindseyman Am I a Northerner? I think that I am!

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    Like both the roundel and flag. However I freely admit that I have ulterior motives for doing so!:D:D
     
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  14. Thande A special man who knows these things Donor

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    It's a good striking flag but I imagine it would cause a kerfuffle in Africa, India et al because of how explicitly Union Jack-inspired it is. The red-white-blue roundel design, as you say, is shared by the UK and all the former 'white dominions' (and before WW2, by the USA as well!) but not in other Commonwealth countries where the red, white and blue is associated with the Empire/colonial period. That may, of course, simply say something about how differently the Commonwealth is viewed in TTL.
     
  15. Lindseyman Am I a Northerner? I think that I am!

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    Thande has a good point. You could change the colours to the antiflash versions (even more of an ulterior motive:D:D). And/or swap the colours round so its a red ring with a blue globe (reversing what we did with the French roundel in WWI!)
     
  16. Thande A special man who knows these things Donor

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    Well it's the colours themselves really. I think the reason why blue and gold was used in OTL (and indeed why they were used for the EU!) is that they're not a combination of colours used by any national flag up to that point (AFAIK) and thus came across as suitably neutral. Blue and white works too (see the UN).

    Something like these might work better for not pissing off Commonwealth leaders who started out as anti-colonial fighters; to clarify I think your design looks better, I just think it might be too controversial.

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  17. LordInsane Supporter of the Alliance

    Ah, blue and gold was used for a national flag before - though it is a lighter shade of blue (Sweden).
     
  18. Thande A special man who knows these things Donor

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    I always thought that was light blue and yellow, but I suppose I might be thinking of older flag books that were vaguer on the colours. Anyway I think dark blue and gold is a fairly neutral colour combination as opposed to red white and blue (Britain, France, Netherlands, etc.) or black gold and red (Germany, Belgium)--when you're doing a supranational association with many members you don't want it to look more like one country's flag than another's.
     
  19. Lindseyman Am I a Northerner? I think that I am!

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    I have to say that the blue and white version does look better than either the original or the blue and gold.
     
  20. Thande A special man who knows these things Donor

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    Well I think yours looks better--I really like how it subtly evokes the Union Jack--I'm just thinking of the RL considerations that mean that a lot of real life flags look worse than the ones we create on here ;) Something like a Commonwealth flag is generally going to be designed by committee, and we all know what that means.
     
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