Happy New Year to you too Brainbin. If it doesn't end in 2014, then maybe 2015. Given that Hubert Humphrey had the opportunity to appoint 5 liberal justices to the Supreme Court, it looks like Lucasfilm might be heading for a victory. There's a good chance that Bluhdorn could die earlier ITTL, due to stress resulting from the court case. After all, Rod Serling died earlier due to stress ITTL. And I have the feeling that Bluhdorn's shady dealings might come out in the Supreme Court also.
That Wacky Redhead
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Like every good trilogy, the heros have to experience a set-back in the second part. I'm looking forward to The Return of the Judiciary.
It almost sounds like you think wiping the tapes wasn't such a bad decision! If pacing is a problem, did anyone come up with the idea of editting the episodes of a story into a single show, like PBS did IOTL ?
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly are Ted Turner's crimes against cinema ?
And a Wacky New Year to you too !
Cheers,
Nigel.
Looking at Wiki, it seems to be mostly colourisation of black and white movies.
Oh, of course. Mind you, if he tries it in 1980 ITTL (as opposed to 1985 OTL) then the techniques are going to be less advanced. That could lead to a greater backlash and slow down the move to colorise films. Every cloud has a light-grey lining.
If you want more Blake's 7, have you tried the Big Finish audio dramas made with the original cast ?
Cheers,
Nigel.
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I remember seeing a "movie" about Dr. Who battling the Daleks, created by editing together episodes of the show.I believe this was some time in the 60's and aired in the wee hours of the morning.
They are good, very good and my mind's eye tv produces excellent pictures but somehow its just not the same!
Another great update, Brainbin -- and apparently it falls to me to be the first to nominate That Wacky Redhead for the Turtledove Award it so richly deserves. 
Quizás, quizás, quizás . . .
(I've been having a Coupling fix as of late - the original UK version, not the atrocity that was the US remake.)Great update, Brainbin!
They used green screen back in the 70s? I thought blue was more popular.
Because you're picking up the color of the screen and removing it for replacement, you have to match the background color to the foreground model: if the model has the same colors that're in the model, those parts of the model will also be picked out and replaced, which you don't want to happen. The model has a lot of blue, so green is probably used instead.
You've nailed it there. Brainbin was quite keen on blue for the nacelle endcaps ("Blue is futuristic"!), and that theme spread to some of the surface colouring, so bluescreen would have been a problem. In fact up until quite late in the process the model had red and green navigation lights on the saucer, but these had to be sacrificed since the green light would cause problems with the greenscreen.
One thought that did occur is that the use of bluescreen in TOS gave the model effects a slight blueish tinge - which Andrew Probert tried to emulate in his Enterprise-D model by painting it the notorious "Duck-egg blue". However, for whatever reasons (lighting or deliberate rebalancing) this colouration didn't come through on TV for TNG. So for The Next Voyage there could be a slight greenish tinge to the model shots - but I've instead assumed that Desilu Post Production's greater experience and budget in TTL's 1970s could mean they're able to rebalance it (who wants to see a green Enterprise?!).
Actually this was one of the first comments I got from Brainbin, so you're in good company with that opinion! Personally Probert's Ent-A is my favourite incarnation of the grand old dame, but then I grew up with the movies, not TOS. The starting point for the TNV version was Matt Jefferies' OTL Phase II design (hence I used that for the background image in the orthogonal views), and that does have more rectangular nacelles, but we can well imagine that with more of the Big Five involved in TNV, plus the longer original run making that design even more iconic, there was a stronger direction from On High to keep closer to the original look.
In Tom Baker's first Doctor Who story, the giant robot was filmed using a yellow background. Unfortunately, the reflections of the studio lights on the robot's legs registered as yellow, so the legs became transparent when over-layed onto the main film.
Cheers,
Nigel.
Once again, Happy New Year, everyone! Thank you all, as always, for your responses to my latest update. And now for my replies to your responses!
It's an honour to be nominated amidst such an august crowd.
That certainly would have made for a very different aesthetic.
I already have consultants with whom to discuss political issues ITTL, and many of them have been quite vocal about their ideas (which I greatly appreciate).
Thank you so much for sharing that story, Nigel! I love it
Perhaps. That does sound like a reasonable compromise.NCW8 said:
Indeed they are - thanks for your concernNCW8 said:
Welcome aboard, Lindseyman! And thank you very much for your kind words.
You're welcome, Professor, although I wouldn't advise you to consume a jeroboam unless you were making about a dozen coqs au vinAaaaah, that goes down nicely as a postyule pickmeup.
Cheers BB
PS still not a full jeroboam yet tho
I don't have too much to say with regards to nixonshead's renders that he hasn't said already, although obviously I think he did a fantastic job bringing the refit Enterprise to life - while tolerating some rather exacting demands from yours truly in the process. In-universe, miniatures of this model went into unit production shortly after the airing of the miniseries in February, 1978, and was a smash seller that Christmas; re-invigorating the product line was always considered a key benefit of producing the miniseries in the first place. The other models that went on sale - and sold like hotcakes - were the Excelsior and Artemis designs, the first to depict models other than what properly becomes known as the original Constitution-class starship (primarily known, prior to the miniseries, as simply the Starship-class).Hi everyone. For quite a while Brainbin and I have been discussing what the refitted Enterprise from The Next Voyage might look like. After many PMs back and forth, we managed to dust off our old CED collection and we're now ready to present to you with a screen-grab from the show. I await the Puritan backlash
Well, that level of detail could only be achieved on film at that time, anyway. One thing that's largely absent is the "Aztecing", not to mention the pearlescent coating.
Thank you. As far as I'm concerned, the ship featured in the reboot films, whatever its virtues, is not the Enterprise - it just so happens to share the same name.
Well, there are nautical examples, and they've shown that it could go either way. Many of the WWII-era carriers were extensively refit (to include, among other things, angled flight decks) but retained their original classes; on the other hand, ships such as the Baltimore-class cruisers were indeed reassigned to new classes post-refit. Although many people would describe the Enterprise as a "cruiser" if they were forced to use 20th-century terminology, it's clearly intended as a capital ship, so those responsible IOTL decided to follow the carrier precedent. ITTL, the Enterprise and the Excelsior are different classes of starship (analogous to a ship-of-the-line), while the Artemis is a frigate.Lindseyman said:
Well then, he'll just have to live long enough to see the Supreme Court hand down its ruling, now won't he?
Ooooh, that's a really good title - perhaps I might be forced to appropriate it
The opinions of the narrator, especially when quoting a sound-byte-happy television journalist, do not necessarily reflect those of the authorNCW8 said:
I can't imagine that arrangement working on a private, commercial-driven station, with the syndication rights having been purchased from Desilu as opposed to the BBC.NCW8 said:
Thank you, Nigel!NCW8 said:
Well, let's put it this way - Turner has a strategy. And how it unravels will form one of the major storylines for the remainder of the timeline.
That sounds like an interesting experience, Chuck - obviously, programmers were very creative with their content, even (perhaps especially?) that long ago.
For point of reference, that model is six feet long. The original Enterprise model was, of course, eleven feet long - the smaller size here (as IOTL, for The Motion Picture and all successive films) allows for the camera to maneuver about the model more effectively, and that pays dividends for the effects work.
Thank you very much, Andrew - I appreciate your support, and your vote of confidenceAnother great update, Brainbin -- and apparently it falls to me to be the first to nominate That Wacky Redhead for the Turtledove Award it so richly deserves.
It's an honour to be nominated amidst such an august crowd.I have to ask. Did you actually ever see the American remake of Coupling? It was on the air for such a short time, after all!Quizás, quizás, quizás . . .
Thank you, Dan!Dan1988 said:
An unfortunate sacrifice - I really wanted to keep the navigation lights, but this model must represent what was feasible with the technology of the time.
You can definitely assume they corrected for that - I imagine they'd devote resources to doing so even if they hadn't yet figured it out.nixonshead said:
This was certainly my rationale; that said, as an intriguing WI, one interesting thing nixonshead and I discovered is that Jefferies even included rectangular nacelles as part of his original design proposals in 1964!nixonshead said:
That certainly would have made for a very different aesthetic.You're welcome, Professor
Indeed - and this time, if all goes well, the sooner the better.The Professor said:
Snippets of it, max. Wasn't anywhere close to being funny as the original. I mean, where else could you get gems like this, from the original]? (NSFW)
Believe me. The minute he finds out he lost, he'll definitely have a massive and violent coronary.
Brainbin, can you please tell me how many eps does "Night Gallery" have ITTL? IOTL, there were 43 episodes produced, plus the pilot.
Interesting rendition. Of course, it would have been more interesting to have used something closer to the Ralph McQuarrie redesign, but to each his own...
