Thank you all, as always, for your very positive responses to the latest update! And now, as always, for my replies to your responses...
... please don't kill the Pope.
I can't make any promises. World leaders
do tend be highly vulnerable to assassination attempts. However, as
e of pi says...
I wasn't talking to Brainbin as much about his planning when he made that decision and might be wrong, but I think a large part of butterflying to this guy over John Paul I was to not have to go through the research on papal politics involved in picking a pope twice.
That is essentially it, yes. (And note that Cardinal Siri
also lived past 1986, although that probably would have been a near thing if he had actually become Pope).
But that's another story altogether (and it would be interesting to see a TL that concentrates on a Cardinal Baggio Papacy).
Indeed it would, though obviously this timeline won't be focusing on the politics of Catholic theology in any detail.
And that's not true!They tried to erase TMP from the memory of the fans. So they designed a new (and more militaristic) uniform, changed the color of the photon torpedoes (blue in TMP, red in TWOK), created a new warp effect and made several changes to the sets.
Only the uniform used for the senior officers (our main characters) was entirely new. The cadets wore modified versions of the costumes from TMP, as did the on-duty medical staff (including Bones), and Spock (his black robe was reused intact). Also, TMP was very important because it served as a model for how
not to design the new uniforms.
As previous stated, Brainbin will not be doing a spin-off. But I'm positive he would allow for someone else to do one. And I'm hoping for one.
You're
positive? Be forewarned, you may be setting yourself up for disappointment...
Brainbin, Carlo Martini is considered a relative liberal. Opus Dei is... not, though ironically several of their politician members have also been members of center left parties.
Well, then! I think that means my previous statement still applies in the case of Innocent XIV
Next order of business, will be an ITTL version of Universal vs Nintendo. Would there even be a case? Which way would it go as getting rid of Donkey Kong and by extension Mario, would be too massive of a loss to culture.
This far out from the POD, there are no sacred cows. I got rid of Tom Baker, don't forget!
ryu238 said:
Why are you cutting this off at 1986?
There are several reasons, but one of them is that it makes the timeline twenty years long (the POD was sometime in late 1966). That's a nice, round number.
ryu238 said:
Will Desilu gain control of Paramount due to the ruling in the "Trial of the Century" and use it to produce their own movies and cartoons (I see a Saturday Morning Cartoon continuing "Journey of the Force")
Desilu has no stake in the Trial of the Century. They employ Marcia Lucas, but assuming that Lucasfilm wins their final appeal, I doubt that situation will last.
ryu238 said:
Do I sense an alliance between Desilu and the good Mr.Turner?
I'm sure
he would like that very much.
ryu238 said:
Finally, what of Red China since their economy can be assumed to have gone down the crapper without Nixon?
We'll definitely find out what has become of Red China prior to the end of this timeline.
I realize that I ask alot but such a good tl raises such questions.
I appreciate the compliment. Obviously I can't answer all of your questions at this time, but there's a start
You really, really ought to publish this when you're done, Brainbin. This is one of the most fleshed-out TLs I've ever seen, and I'd buy it in Kindle or POD form in a heartbeat.
I would
love to sell TWR once I've completed my revisions, so thanks for expressing an interest
Is there any possibility we might learn how Nintendo is doing ITTL, particularly in regards to the Famicom?
Yes, that will be a focus of the coming video game updates.
Likewise. So many stories.
Thank you, THE OBSERVER, for your continued enthusiasm
Speaking of Bruce Lee, how has his career progressed post-The Way of the Warrior?
He has appeared in a number of action movies which have been moderately successful stateside, and wildly popular among Asian-Americans, and in Asia itself. Basically, he accomplished what Jackie Chan did IOTL - about twenty years earlier. (Think of him as a cross between Chan's mainstream success and Jet Li's more acrobatic style.)
Time slip said:
How much have butterflies affected The Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
It most likely exists in substantially the same form as IOTL, though (given its low budget) the changes would range from subtle to obvious.
Time slip said:
Nice to see Don Bluth in a more financially secure position ITTL.
And it's even nicer to put him in one

He seems to be one of the few "maverick animators" who is a genuinely nice guy.
One wonders if blooper reels will become less popular with a lack of VCR tech for the public. (OTL, Star Trek blooper reels were passed around and spread to the public in the 1970's, while BBC bloopers were passed around among the staff and beyond and built up a following.)
The
Star Trek blooper reels, remember, were actual
reels - that is, of film - which were played on projectors, not video players. Their popularity shall certainly endure ITTL.
Interesting development on the tech front. I do hope recording shows for home becomes semi-legal (i.e. you can do it but not for monetary purposes).
That is, of course, the OTL outcome.
ryu238 said:
And the video game wars between Syzygy and Mattel reminds one of OTL's Nintendo vs Sega (with the VCS II as the SNES and the IntelliVision as the Genesis).
That may have been something of an inspiration for this Battle of the Titans, yes
ryu238 said:
Likewise the bane of creativity, the Moral Guardians are starting to come out again, this time with the whole "Video Games are corrupting the youth FTW!!!" crap....god let there be a backlash against those bozos.
With every new generation they always find
something to rally against - and very often, more than
one something. Recall the early 1980s IOTL...
Brainbin, you have changed pop culture of eighties in Poland.
Thanks for sharing your story, Mefisto. Part of the reason I don't focus on non-Anglosphere countries is that each one has its own unique experiences with popular culture, many of which are often deeply personal and idiosyncratic, as you demonstrate with your example. You did a
much better job explaining the changes to Polish culture than I could.
Really great video (recordings and games) update, Brainbin.
Thank you, Glen! Glad you enjoyed it
I have no problem with the inexistence of Canibal holocaust in this tl. I own the movie. It's something that shouldn't exist
It is rather horrifying, yes. I can't help but be reminded of
The Human Centipede - surely a modern equivalent
Well, remember, Brainbin isn't going to directly address pop culture of the non-English speaking world... but for myself, I'd only be interested if
something butterflies away Poland's weird ideas on how to make a movie poster. 
When in doubt, blame the communists
I would assume we all would think that.
You would think so, but clearly there
is a market for these things, or they would have stopped making them by now.
All good TLs like this do.
Thank you very much for the lovely compliment
Well, you knew I was going to wade into
this post, given that it touches on a subject very near and dear to my heart! If you want the tl;dr version, it's great -- and comprehensive! -- job, as always.
Thank you, Andrew! I'm really glad you enjoyed it
Andrew T said:
A very plausible scenario, and one that strikes me as likely to persist even after the capacity is doubled (why ship two discs when you can ship one)? It's also likely to affect studio editing as well, as producers think, "Well, it's better that I edit this down than some clown two years from now...."
All excellent points - and indeed, the tragedy is that companies are finally beginning to show an interest in developing "special features" to accompany their movies just as the length they would need to fill jumps from ~45 minutes to ~105, or about two-and-a-half times as long, and probably
at least that much more expensive.
Andrew T said:
And, IOTL, TV would remain mono until the 1990s.
Indeed it did - but when television went stereo, it was a Big Deal - "IN STEREO WHERE AVAILABLE" was the "IN COLOR" of its day (much as "AVAILABLE IN HD" would follow).
Andrew T said:
If consumers are used to stereo sound in their homes as early as 1980, it strikes me that could very easily have a spillover effect into both of these two (and probably other) genres as well.
A very likely possibility
Andrew T said:
Ah, Maurice LaMarche. We should all be grateful for the work that man has done to keep the voice of Orson Welles alive
Since the majority of his Welles portrayals (and my own mentions of him in this latest update) are rather cruel, it's only fair that I link to
his straightest-ever portrayal.
(And yes, that's Vincent D'Onofrio playing the body of Welles, not LaMarche, who was dubbed in later - which might have helped to restrain him.)
Andrew T said:
So I guess we're still a
few years away from being able to order a copy of
"Soap: The Complete Series" on CED.

Still, it looks like we're headed in that direction at least a decade ahead of OTL's schedule.
I'd say getting that fifth season makes it worth waiting for, wouldn't you? (I
did mention that, didn't I?

)
Andrew T said:
You don't mention it, but I assume this is very similar to OTL's
Star Raiders, one of Atari's biggest and most beloved hits, which was essentially a
Star Trek-like game without the licensing. It was still playable as late as 1990; it wasn't really until
Wing Commander (1990) that anyone else attempted the in-the-cockpit view with advanced graphics, storytelling, and sound.
I didn't consciously base the
Star Trek game (or the
Mission: Impossible game) on anything in particular, but
Star Raiders may have been a subconscious influence (through
popcultural osmosis). Certainly a lot of space games from that era tended toward the cursor-based first-person space shooter which, as you note, evolved and matured into
Wing Commander and other space sims of that nature. Whether that will prove the ultimate evolution of the
Star Trek line ITTL is another question.
Andrew T said:
The 2600 version of Star Raiders was probably the best game Atari ever produced for it, proving that Syzygy's
Star Trek for the VCS doesn't have to be "Pong in Space."
Thank you
very much for that clip; it is just about
exactly how I'd imagine the 1977 port of the 1973 arcade game to look.
Andrew T said:
In yet another great parallelism,
there was a much-beloved Bruce Lee videogame released for OTL's Atari computers (and later ported to other machines); it's widely regarded as the first game to combine side-scrolling platform game with hand-to-hand combat. In OTL's
Bruce Lee, Player 1 controlled Bruce, while Player 2 could control a green sumo wrestler named "The Green Yamo"; you could play cooperatively or competitively. (Or, as I seem to recall, you could
promise to play cooperatively and then kick Bruce in the back.

) The other hazard was canonically called "the Ninja," but we always used to refer to him as "the Slightly-Confused Samurai" (allowing alliteration to outweigh accuracy) because the AI on it was pretty awful.
Anyway, OTL's
Bruce Lee was very easy as a one-player game (where you battle both the Yamo and Slightly), and preposterously easy if you played cooperatively.
I
definitely did not know about this game - though my version is simpler (given that it was made earlier), it has the advantage of being endorsed by Lee himself, who appears in commercials for the game (in which he does not speak, only performing his trademark martial arts, so that the footage can be reused for Asian markets).
Andrew T said:
As with OTL's Star Raiders, it was not impossible to input additional signals into the 2600; that game came with a separate keypad that plugged into Joystick Port 2. One could imagine a Way of the Warrior port that used the same type of additional device.
True. Mostly I wanted to highlight that the VCS II would have a better controller. I was thinking something along the lines of the OTL
NES Advantage.
Andrew T said:
Very clever. IOTL, of course, Infocom made nothing but text-based games for microcomputers. And I can't recall: did you mention Kee Games in a prior update? I seem to have a vague recollection that you did. In any event, in OTL's Atari, Nolan Bushnell engineered a fake "third-party" videogame manufacturer named "Kee Games" (around 1978?) run by his friend Joe Kee, also then an executive at Atari, to try and make it seem as though Atari had more third-party developers.
I did not mention that, no. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't exist ITTL.
Andrew T said:
...Okay, so in addition to Apple, I want to know: what happens to Commodore?
We're going to be hearing from those two companies (or their equivalents) in later updates. This update was mostly setting the backdrop for gaming in the 1980s.
Andrew T said:
Oooh, a shout-out to the Bally Professional Arcade! Nicely done.
You can thank
Dan1988 for that; he clued me in on their...
intriguing corporate history.
(
Dan1988 also wanted to respond to some of your concerns about the hardware himself, so I'll let him do so - but your comments have been noted and logged

)
Andrew T said:
(IOTL,
as you may know 
, Atari developed the 7800, which was indeed backwards-compatible with the 2600. Even though Atari developed the 7800 in 1983 -- when it might have reclaimed Atari's top spot in the home videogame market -- internal mismanagement led to it being shelved until 1986, by which time it had no chance against the NES.)
In the end, this is the major advantage I have with Syzygy ITTL: it is
not run by blithering idiots.
Andrew T said:
You may be aware that Shatner has made more money as the pitchman for Priceline than in his entire television and movie career combined; that's because he took equity in the company in lieu of payment. I wonder if Shatner gets a similar deal from Syzygy here....
I am familiar with the story, although some reports indicate that Shatner was forced to hold onto his stock until after its value had collapsed when the dot-com bubble burst, and then (along with most of the other shareholders) sold it when it was worthless, after which point the share value
then recovered. (He apparently said this on
Conan in 2012.)
Andrew T said:
Oh, one more thing: in order to be backwards-compatible, the VCS II will essentially have to have an entire VCS (including the 6509) inside of it, in much the same way that the Commodore 128 had an entire C-64 grafted on the motherboard. Of course, that means the VCS II in "native" mode could use the 6509 as a co-processor...
I like the sound of that very much. And it provides a "shallow end" for designers and programmers to utilize the new processing power as well!
Andrew T said:
I love convergence.

IOTL,
Dragon's Lair (and the sequel,
Space Ace) were brief but immensely profitable fads in 1983 and 1984.
And a most
intriguing prelude to the much bigger (but nearly as short-lived) FMV craze of the 1990s when CD-ROM became the dominant format.
Andrew T said:
One legal "oops" here; as a legal term of art, "obscene" is a much narrower category of speech than "pornographic" (even if they have somewhat different colloquial connotations).
So noted. I shall endeavour to correct my error.
Andrew T said:
Which begs the question: is Ed Meese Ronald Reagan's Attorney General in 1979??
Cabinet questions... I thought I forbade those

(I shall let you know after some further research and consultation.)
With a little thought it could be an advantage, give the space to short subject films to test new directors/talent or let the animation department have it.
Bring back the old way of a short subject and cartoon before the main picture.
An
intriguing proposition - the problem is, it's over a decade too late to save the short subject divisions of most American animation studios. The art, for better or for worse, is dead, and it would almost certainly be much cheaper to just trim a few minutes in editing than to animate a ten-minute short or produce an even longer short film to precede the feature - not to mention that it cuts into revenues from additional showings at the theatre, which, for better or for worse, is still the primary source of income at this juncture.