That Wacky Redhead

[unclepatrick]

I've recently been watching the first season of Blake's 7, and on the whole the sets and costumes didn't look too bad (well apart from the Federation soldiers). What really needs improvement are the special effects. There's some half decent model work, but most of the shots of Liberator flying through space are very basic cartoons.

I didn't notice it when it was first broadcast, but this time I was struck by the episode Duel. In this episode Blake and his arch-enemy Travis are kidnapped from their ships by powerful aliens and forced to fight hand-to-hand to the death. Their crews are unable to help but can watch the whole fight. Blake wins (of course), but refuses to kill Travis. The whole thing seemed strangely familiar.

Cheers,
Nigel.

For some reason the first thing that came to mind was this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_(short_story)

And then I thought of this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun_and_Games_(The_Outer_Limits)

 

[unclepatrick]

I've recently been watching the first season of Blake's 7, and on the whole the sets and costumes didn't look too bad (well apart from the Federation soldiers). What really needs improvement are the special effects. There's some half decent model work, but most of the shots of Liberator flying through space are very basic cartoons.

I didn't notice it when it was first broadcast, but this time I was struck by the episode Duel. In this episode Blake and his arch-enemy Travis are kidnapped from their ships by powerful aliens and forced to fight hand-to-hand to the death. Their crews are unable to help but can watch the whole fight. Blake wins (of course), but refuses to kill Travis. The whole thing seemed strangely familiar.

Cheers,
Nigel.

What I never understood was how come British Television could do series with great Special Effects like UFO or Space 1999, and poor writing or Good Writing like Blake and Doctor Who but Poor effects? As the effect got better on Doctor Who the story quality drop.

 

[phx1138]

What I never understood was how come British Television could do series with great Special Effects like UFO or Space 1999, and poor writing or Good Writing like Blake and Doctor Who but Poor effects? As the effect got better on Doctor Who the story quality drop.

I think that's called "show budget". There's only so much money, & it's got to go somewhere...

IDK if the Brits had *SAG-guaranteed minimums for writing, so that could affect it, too.

Did they do "clip shows" to save money? (Or to meet schedule pressure...?) I notice "Stargate" seemed to do this quite often. They did a really good show this way, strangely enough...

 

[JSmith]

Holey shite- how did I miss this Is there a post only thread ?

 

[unclepatrick]

I think that's called "show budget". There's only so much money, & it's got to go somewhere...

IDK if the Brits had *SAG-guaranteed minimums for writing, so that could affect it, too.

Did they do "clip shows" to save money? (Or to meet schedule pressure...?) I notice "Stargate" seemed to do this quite often. They did a really good show this way, strangely enough...

I never seen a british show do a Clip show. Doctor Who use have the corridor scene where 10 minutes or so of a episode would be spend running up and down the same corridor set . It was cheap way to fill up time.

Which Stargate Episode did a good clip show? Episode 200 is the only one that watchable. The Time Skip episode is not a clip show. every time they repeated a scene, they re-filmed it from another angle.

 

[e of pi]

Holey shite- how did I miss this Is there a post only thread ?

No, there's not. There is, however, a list on the wiki that links to each of the main story post which you can find at this convenient hyperlink.

 

[JSmith]

No, there's not. There is, however, a list on the wiki that links to each of the main story post which you can find at this convenient hyperlink.

Thanks a million

 

[JSmith]

the median is 1974.

Well that must be why I was drawn to this like a moth to a flame.That and imagining a different childhood

 

[phx1138]

I never seen a british show do a Clip show. Doctor Who use have the corridor scene where 10 minutes or so of a episode would be spend running up and down the same corridor set . It was cheap way to fill up time.

Sign of weak script, usually. I've never seen it as a way to save money.

Which Stargate Episode did a good clip show? Episode 200 is the only one that watchable. The Time Skip episode is not a clip show. every time they repeated a scene, they re-filmed it from another angle.

Couldn't name an episode offhand (haven't seen them often enough yet), but there were at least two, in particular the one where Thor makes the surprise beam-in at the end.

 

[unclepatrick]

Sign of weak script, usually. I've never seen it as a way to save money.

Couldn't name an episode offhand (haven't seen them often enough yet), but there were at least two, in particular the one where Thor makes the surprise beam-in at the end.

Agree that the both the corridor scene and the clip show are sign of weak scripts.

I watch all the episodes of the Stargate series and the two that I remember are the Black Hole episode and the Time skip episode. They are the best of the series. I remember that the Black Hole would be used in one of the season finals to set off a Supernova in a Sun.

 

[NCW8]

Did they do "clip shows" to save money? (Or to meet schedule pressure...?) I notice "Stargate" seemed to do this quite often. They did a really good show this way, strangely enough...

I don't recall any. I think that the rules that limited the number of times a show could be rerun in the UK would also prevent material being reused in a clip show.

Cheers,
Nigel.

 

[Thande]

For the record I quite liked the US Buck Rogers show...it did its job of calling back to the feel of the 30s original, just like the Queen Flash Gordon film.

What I never understood was how come British Television could do series with great Special Effects like UFO or Space 1999, and poor writing or Good Writing like Blake and Doctor Who but Poor effects? As the effect got better on Doctor Who the story quality drop.

It's too complex a question for a simple answer but I think a lot of it might be either 'well if we have flashy effects we don't need to bother with writing' or even 'little minds are pleased by flashy effects who can't tell the difference between good and bad writing' attitudes.

I never seen a british show do a Clip show.

There are some examples, but not as many as in the USA. Sometimes you might get a clip show towards the end of a programme's run just to reflect on changes over the years and save money for the grand finale.

Of course things like panel games often have clip shows either as 'best of' compilations or 'clips left on the cutting room floor compilations', but that's not really what we're talking about.

 

[Asharella]

AT LAaAaST!

I figure it's been ten days now that I've been reading this thread. Eventually I skimmed the comments and mainly read Brainbin's responses to the comments, and of course reading the updates.

Numerous times I wanted to go ahead and comment about something even though I knew the readers of my comment would be reading about my thoughts on discussions from months ago. But the wiser part of me would convince myself to refrain. I realized that most of my questions or comments could very well be addressed if I'd just keep reading. So I did.

Well, a few were. Dark Shadows lasted no longer ITTL than in OTTL. Early examples of anime from the '60s were mentioned. But a lot of my questions weren't addressed and I've been saving them up for this my first post! I'm excited.

First a little introduction. I was born November 22, 1954. My dad was in the U.S. Army and I was born in Salzburg, Austria, but we returned to the states before I was 2. My first memories are growing up in Tucson, Arizona and one of those early memories is lying on my stomach on the floor, eating a cheeseburger and watching The Adventures of Superman. I've wanted to be Lois Lane ever since.

In 1961 my dad had his last overseas post in Taipei, Taiwan. We had no TV there, but there was a theater and snackbar/bowling alley only a block away to serve all the U.S. military and civilian aid folk who were living in the same neighborhood up on Grass Mountain in order to avoid the heat. (Across the little highway was another American neighborhood, all the wives and kids there didn't know what their fathers really did, but we all knew it was CIA. They had their own theater and it had recliners instead of theater seats! Plus their houses looked like the ones from Leave It To Beaver.)

Every Saturday afternoon I went to the matinee which still had news reels, cartoons and serials. Sometimes I even got to go during the evening to see the first showing of a featured new release. The Saturday movies could be new releases or old B films from the 1930s on. Several stand out to me: all the circa 1960 Three Stooges' films, the Weissmuller Tarzan films, the King and I, South Pacific, which was the first, but not the last film, to end with me in my seat uncontrollably weeping- I was seven years old and shocked that the romantic lead died. My first exposure to Batman was being told by another kid that the next serial they'd be showing on Saturdays was Batman. I had no idea who that was. I remember thinking it must be a man who used a baseball bat to fight crime.

It was while that serial was running that I saw a magazine with a picture of Batman on it at the PX and realized I could read it because it was pictures and easy words. Soon I was reading every comic I could get. My favorites were chick comics: Supergirl, Lois Lane, Betty & Veronica, Little Dot, Little Lotta, Wendy the Good Little Witch, and of course Nightmare. But I also read Superman and Batman books (and Archie, Jughead, Space Mouse, Casper, Spooky, Stumbo, and Hot Stuff too.) I read Batman before he was modernized in 1964!

We came back to the states in 1963 when my dad retired and we got TV again. I remember the joy in the motel in our new home town of Bellingham, WA of being able to watch a Yogi Bear cartoon. We got a little TV and I remember watching "The Lucy Show" in reruns that summer. My first exposure to "I Love Lucy" was one late morning when my mom had brought the little TV to sit on the kitchen bar while she worked and after some other show and then suddenly during the day there was Lucy but she looked younger.

I remember asking my mom how Lucy was on during the day. She explained to me this was her first show and it was repeats. I asked if Viv was in it too and she said, "Yes, but here's she called Ethel." Then I was shocked when Lucy's husband walked out. I was quickly enchanted and I loved Lucy more in the old shows than the new ones. I also loved Ricky Ricardo. We watched Lucy in prime time in "The Lucy Show" and then "Here's Lucy" every week until the latter ended. I watched old "I Love Lucy" episodes whenever I could find them.

In those days as a kid I was easily frightened and I couldn't handle anything scary. Back in Taipei posters for horror films freaked me out. The lurid, blood filled poster and the coming attraction ads for The Curse of the Werewolf gave me nightmares for years. Back in the states just the theme music of One Step Beyond or The Outer Limits sent me running to the other end of the house to hide in a locked bathroom. I remember being told a terrible story by a counselor at church camp in the summer of 1966, which I later found out was "To Serve Man" from The Outer Limits. When the counselor said the girl came running up screaming, "It's a cook book," I started screaming in terror and it took forever to calm me down.

So when Star Trek started I was not interested. It was more of that scary alien stuff as far as I could tell and I wanted nothing to do with it. I was into Batman, The Monkees, The Man From U.N.C.L.E. and The Wild, Wild West, as well as daytime showings of Rawhide. (I had big crushes on Rowdy Yates, Napoleon Solo, Michael Nesmith and James T. West.)

It was the next summer when the evenings were still all daylight that I ended up in my parents' room watching that old little TV that had now become our second set. My parents were in the den watching the big color console of something I wasn't interested in, probably sports. The drapes were open, the sun was shining, birds were singing, I could hear the sound of other kids off in the distance playing and someone mowing the yard. I turned the knob on the little TV to find something and came across this really cute guy in a velour shirt and a girl in a short velour dress and a guy in velour shirt with a Scottish accent all trying to solve some problem. I don't remember the episode. But I was hooked.

It was only after watching it for a while that I realized it was that Star Trek I had been so afraid of it and instead of it terrorizing me, it made me feel great. The next time it aired I had convinced my parents to let me watch it on the big console color TV in the den. It wasn't long before I lost all my fear of horror and science fiction. I was a big fan of Star Trek. Friday nights at 10:00 in '68 and '69 was must see TV for me. My parents would be in the living room at Bridge Parties and I'd be in the den watching first James T. West and then later James T. Kirk.

Later I became a big fan of Dark Shadows; I was one of those youth who came home from school to watch it every day. The ironic part was that I thought I was unique; I thought it was mainly grown ups watching it and it was unusual that a kid like me was into it.

Here's other shows that mattered to me in the '60s & '70s: The Prisoner, The Avengers, The Mod Squad, The New People, Alias Smith and Jones, Night Stalker, and Kung Fu. Of course I watched all the popular shows with my parents too. But those shows were mine; I watched them while my parents were in the living room.

Later as a parent a lot of the shows that my children would remember from their childhood are shows I remember too, because I watched them with my kids instead of going to another room like my parents. One of the first favorite shows of my oldest son, who was born in 1980, was Automan.

So that's me.

Now my questions about the time line.

Did The New People last longer?

Was there still a Night Stalker and Alias Smith and Jones? Is Pete Duel's death butterflied away?

Did Desi Jr. not go into acting since he wasn't on Here's Lucy? What affect would this have on Automan and shows that might have been influenced by it like Night Rider?

What I really liked about Kung Fu were the flashbacks to the Temple and the philosophy. Did The Way of the Warrior have this or was it more action only set in the American West? In OTL Kung Fu was not only important for David's career, but for Keith's and Robert's too. So what happened to them ITTL? Will there still be a Revenge of the Nerds and The Duelists?

There are several British shows I'm curious about. (I got to see lots of British TV on Canadian channels, since we got CTV and the CBC.) Were they changed at all? I'm talking about:

Doctor in the House
On the Buses
Journey to the Unknown

Finally, since the TL is now on to the late '70s miniseries, what about The White Oaks of Jalna miniseries? How about The Adams Chronicles and I, Claudius? (Baldy might never get to run the Enterprise D, but did he get to have long hair and run Rome for a while behind the Emperor's back?)

Oh, if Jim Dale is the 4th Doctor, what about Pete's Dragon?

What about Paul Sand in Friends and Lovers and Busting Loose, did they last longer if they existed at all?

Finally, what did Micky Dolenz being Mash do to the Dolenz, Jones, Boyce & Hart tours and records that were in that same time period in OTL?

I know, lots of questions. But they're from ten days of reading the thread!

 

[Asharella]

Oh, I forgot to share about my first experience of anime.

It was in that little theater in Taiwan. I saw Alakazam and Magic Boy at Saturday matinees. It was the summer of 1962. I haven't seen either one since. But I remember both vividly. Later when I grew up I realized that Alakazam was Journey to the West and the Monkey King it was about was the source of Goku the hero of my youngest son's favorite anime show, Dragon Ball Z, which of course I watched with him. When he was in high school he and a buddy found out they could get the Japanese language ones with subtitles on the internet and he watched them all over again the right way.

Oh, every so often I look to see if I can find those two early anime films on Video then DVD then Blue Ray then streaming. Still no luck.

 

[Brainbin]

In light of the 21 posts that have been made since I last posted (and I do apologize for the delay; as always, RL is to blame, but as of today, I now have a good deal more time on my hands, which I hope to put to productive use), and in light of the milestone of 300,000 views which is rapidly approaching, I once again feel obliged to thank you all for your patience, and for your continuing support. This coming cycle should be a lot of fun for me to write and, if all goes well, for all of you to read!

How so?

Well, perhaps they could come to terms of a common copyright policy - that way anyone living in either country could see all works produced in both of them!

Which does make the [popular culture recognizes only the one] Enterprise bridge design a bit odd... Especially if you consider putting the upper-level consoles at the "railing", instead, makes real sense, both ergonomically & dramatically.

Two words: swivel chairs

Not for lack of trying... I still don't know what the League's beef was with selling the Blues to a SK group.

Well, if it's any consolation, it seems you couldn't pry them out of Phoenix into the waiting arms of Quebec City, even if you had every crowbar in the world!

My friend is that person. He knows people in every field. He works for the government now, but he came from the TV industry, sports production. In this instance, his best friend represents lots of comic artists in the resale of their original art and he helps out. But he's been my mentor in my actual career for a long time now.

Wow, your friend sounds like the proverbial "guy who knows a guy". He wouldn't happen to know anyone I've written about so far, would he?

Wasteland defined my childhood. I can go on forever about why this game was so awesome, but I will not. Interplay (the one that existed at the time, of course) also did the Star Trek 25th Anniversary game, and as you note they brought back the cast to do the voices there. I actually owned it as a later CD-ROM edition. But Buzz Aldrin's Race into Space I had on disk and had to get the CD-ROM edition later for the extra footage and whatnot. Ah, the days of transitionary technology!

Oh yeah, I remember that! Renting games and finishing them and returning them. Fun times.

We might as well combine those two ideas, actually. When I was a little kid - this was the early-to-mid-1990s - one of the games I always wanted to rent from the video store was SimCity on the SNES. It was apparently hot, because it was forever already out before I could get there. Now, at the time I didn't have a PC, but a relative whom I visited frequently did, and she bought me the original floppy-disk release of SimCity 2000 for her computer (Windows 3.1 - talk about transitional technology!). I never did get the CD-ROM version thereof, even though I did wind up getting virtually all of the other Sim games eventually. But my days of renting SNES games from the video store has a happy ending - they were selling off their inventory in the late 1990s, and I was able to buy one of the games I rented frequently - EarthBound. Yes, I actually own a real SNES cartridge of it, which I didn't pay a fortune for over eBay! (I even wound up owning the SNES SimCity, too.)

It would not be, sadly. My parents have the DVDs, though, I can always borrow them. It has been interesting, though, watching the remastered versions. At frist it wasn't bothering me too much. But the effects vs. the sets and acting and what I remember has becoming jarring at times. And I am just through Season 1!

Those effects stick out like a sore thumb every time I see them. Just wait until you get to "The Doomsday Machine"... and that's my favourite episode

These days it is much more the devils, but because of the run the Islanders had when I was little and the lack of existence of the Devils, they raised me to hate the Islanders.

Funny you should mention the New Jersey Devils...

Voiced by James Doohan, of course. I find it amazing that he voiced over sixty characters in the animated series, including Mr Kyle.

Well, yes, that a male character on TAS was voiced by Doohan basically goes without saying (His talent for voices was the whole reason he wound playing a Scot in the first place. He also did a number of voices on the series proper as well.) Among the women, Nichols and Barrett divided the roles somewhat more evenly.

You say that like it's a good thing! Since Star Trek has introduced story arcs and season-end cliff-hangers ITTL, Blakes 7 might not seem as influential as it is OTL.

Surely you of all people are aware that most British people did watch other shows in the late 1970s IOTL?

You've given us Dr Who without Tom Baker, so how about Star Trek without Spock

Only if a dozen of you continually insist on my bringing Spock back for the miniseries and refuse to acknowledge the possibility that his presence might be butterflied

The Andorians were sadly neglected in the Star Trek spin-offs, apart from Enterprise. It would be good to see them developed more ITTL.

Along with the Tellarites. (Now there's a race that really needed a better makeup job IOTL )

Blake's 7, if it's still made, will likely just deconstruct other things about Star Trek.

Very true. OTL parodies have shown that it's a veritable gold mine for that sort of thing.

Holey shite- how did I miss this Is there a post only thread ?

Welcome aboard, JSmith! And thank you for kind words. Sadly, I've not yet begun to post this to Finished Timelines yet, because there will probably be some revisions made before then. But e of pi was good enough to show you the wiki link (which, of course, you can also find in my signature) and that's where all the "canon" posts are.

Well that must be why I was drawn to this like a moth to a flame.That and imagining a different childhood

One more child of the 1970s! That widens the lead for the "Me Decade". And also: yet another TTL "Mini-Boomer"! That makes seven out of thirty-seven.

I figure it's been ten days now that I've been reading this thread. Eventually I skimmed the comments and mainly read Brainbin's responses to the comments, and of course reading the updates.

Numerous times I wanted to go ahead and comment about something even though I knew the readers of my comment would be reading about my thoughts on discussions from months ago. But the wiser part of me would convince myself to refrain. I realized that most of my questions or comments could very well be addressed if I'd just keep reading. So I did.

And welcome aboard, Asharella! I admire your tenacity, and appreciate your informing us how long it takes to read through over 200 pages! And, of course, it was a pleasure to read your story. One of the things I like best about this thread is how it has brought so many people from such disparate backgrounds together in sharing their common experiences. It really does vindicate the concept of "popular culture". And since this thread is also all about demographics, I would like to welcome you as another Baby Boomer, and another child of the 1950s (we're up to five now, tied with the 1990s), and, of course, as another woman (one of two confirmed female readers to date - fittingly, the other is one of my youngest readers). And another military brat! I seem to attract those (and aviation enthusiasts) to this thread like moths to a flame.

My first memories are growing up in Tucson, Arizona and one of those early memories is lying on my stomach on the floor, eating a cheeseburger and watching The Adventures of Superman. I've wanted to be Lois Lane ever since.

How appropriate, that you discuss both I Love Lucy and The Adventures of Superman in your post, when my most recent update alluded to their famous crossover, "Lucy Meets Superman", which I'm sure you must have seen. An excellent example of how I Love Lucy deftly balanced timeliness with timelessness.

It was while that serial was running that I saw a magazine with a picture of Batman on it at the PX and realized I could read it because it was pictures and easy words. Soon I was reading every comic I could get. My favorites were chick comics: Supergirl, Lois Lane, Betty & Veronica, Little Dot, Little Lotta, Wendy the Good Little Witch, and of course Nightmare. But I also read Superman and Batman books (and Archie, Jughead, Space Mouse, Casper, Spooky, Stumbo, and Hot Stuff too.) I read Batman before he was modernized in 1964!

The Silver Age was a different time, obviously, because Superman's Girl Friend Lois Lane has since acquired something of a "reputation" (largely courtesy the Superdickery site and, to be fair, alongside Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen). Then again, it is less embarrassing than the Golden Age propaganda comics, so...

I remember asking my mom how Lucy was on during the day. She explained to me this was her first show and it was repeats. I asked if Viv was in it too and she said, "Yes, but here's she called Ethel." Then I was shocked when Lucy's husband walked out. I was quickly enchanted and I loved Lucy more in the old shows than the new ones. I also loved Ricky Ricardo. We watched Lucy in prime time in "The Lucy Show" and then "Here's Lucy" every week until the latter ended. I watched old "I Love Lucy" episodes whenever I could find them.

Given my POD, it's obviously something that I never really had to talk about (I sort-of did, in the beginning, as That Wacky Redhead was wrapping up with The Lucy Show), but it does seem somewhat surreal that, for twelve years (1962-74), people who were not old enough to have seen I Love Lucy and then The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour first-run (from 1951-60), would have been exposed to those later shows first, as you were (and no doubt as many later boomers were). I've talked a lot about That Wacky Redhead remembering the work she'd done on I Love Lucy in retrospect, which meshes with our modern image of that overshadowing the entire rest of her career, but IOTL her two subsequent shows were both big hits throughout their original runs. Personally, I'm too young to have seen any of them first-run - yes, even that one.

I remember being told a terrible story by a counselor at church camp in the summer of 1966, which I later found out was "To Serve Man" from The Outer Limits. When the counselor said the girl came running up screaming, "It's a cook book," I started screaming in terror and it took forever to calm me down.

It was The Twilight Zone, actually. The man himself adapted the short story. Though I admit, it is more an Outer Limits-type situation

It wasn't long before I lost all my fear of horror and science fiction. I was a big fan of Star Trek. Friday nights at 10:00 in '68 and '69 was must see TV for me.

That's great that you got to see the show in its first-run, though what a shame that it had to be the Turd Season. You're remarkably forgiving, all things considered.

Now my questions about the time line.

And please note that any questions which elements to them that are post-1977 will not be answered.

Did The New People last longer?

No, it didn't. Sorry.

Was there still a Night Stalker and Alias Smith and Jones? Is Pete Duel's death butterflied away?

Yes to the first two - but as to the third? That's a tough one to call. I'll err on the side of caution and say no.

Did Desi Jr. not go into acting since he wasn't on Here's Lucy? What affect would this have on Automan and shows that might have been influenced by it like Night Rider?

That Wacky Redhead and Desi IV are somewhat estranged ITTL, precisely because she couldn't watch over him with Here's Lucy. This allowed him to escalate his relationship with Patty Duke (whom his mother disliked), leading to the child whose OTL half-brother, born around the same time, is Sean Astin, ITTL being Desi V (and yes, it's biologically his). He's far more musically-oriented, because he can get that kind of work through his father's connections, but he still acts on the side.

What I really liked about Kung Fu were the flashbacks to the Temple and the philosophy. Did The Way of the Warrior have this or was it more action only set in the American West?

More action. Bruce Lee and his philosophy were both highly kinetic and physiological, and not at all talky.

In OTL Kung Fu was not only important for David's career, but for Keith's and Robert's too. So what happened to them ITTL? Will there still be a Revenge of the Nerds and The Duelists?

Note that Keith also did not appear in Nashville ITTL, due to Robert Altman's career having been capsized. John Carradine's sons just can't escape their father's shadow.

There are several British shows I'm curious about.

And I ask you to please hold all questions until the next cycle (which will feature the next British Telly update).

What about Paul Sand in Friends and Lovers and Busting Loose, did they last longer if they existed at all?

Paul Sand was cancelled to make room for Moving on Up, as more-or-less happened IOTL.

Finally, what did Micky Dolenz being Mash do to the Dolenz, Jones, Boyce & Hart tours and records that were in that same time period in OTL?

It butterflied them! But personally, I don't think that Dolenz would mind all that much

I know, lots of questions. But they're from ten days of reading the thread!

I apologize for being unable and/or unwilling to answer all of them

 

[THE OBSERVER]

Can't wait to enter '77 Brainbin. Bet you have some great ideas planned. But please make sure that "Dallas" stays the same as OTL. Don't, I repeat, don't do anything.

 

[Asharella]

It was The Twilight Zone, actually. The man himself adapted the short story. Though I admit, it is more an Outer Limits-type situation

Memory is not always accurate. While reading the thread I got interested in looking up information on OTL Genesis II. To my surprise Wikipedia says there were two pilots TV movies for it and the second one was called Planet Earth. I only remember one. But in my memory it starred John Saxon and it had Mariette Hartley with two navels. But Saxon was in Planet Earth, while Hartley with two navels was in Genesis II. But I remember watching one film. Plus this isn't like I was real young in grade school. I saw Genesis II the spring of my senior year in High School and Planet Earth the spring of my freshman year in college. Yet my memory has conflated two events separated by a year into one.

That's great that you got to see the show in its first-run, though what a shame that it had to be the Turd Season. You're remarkably forgiving, all things considered.

No it was the tail end of the first season that I started watching it and I got a whole summer of reruns of those wonderful first season shows. I only talked about the Third Season because as a young teenage fan it wasn't the "Turd Season" at all to me. It was a magical hour. My only complaint was that James T. Kirk wasn't quite as cute since he was getting a little fat in the tummy.

And please note that any questions which elements to them that are post-1977 will not be answered.

But I am hoping you put them wherever you put questions like that and answer them when you get to them.

I apologize for being unable and/or unwilling to answer all of them

I'm less interested in quick answers here and more interested in bringing up questions so you might address them in updates. So for that reason I'm thrilled another British TV update is coming. (Don't think I didn't notice how constant reader questions about certain shows ended up with you doing major explanations about them in TTL- I'm thinking about the Muppets.)

 

[Asharella]

I'd never heard of Superdickery before.

That was GREAT seeing those old Lois Lane covers. I'm sure I have most of them. (Yes, have. I have all my comics safe and secure in boxes in my closet.)

Here's my list of my favorite actresses to play Lois listed in order from best to least favorite.

1) Erica Durance. (I wasn't a fan at first, but she grew on me.)
2) Noel Neill (My first Lois and always number one on this list until Erica finally won me over)
3) Terry Hatcher (She got her name before Clark's! She was a great Lois)
4) Margot Kidder (I never really liked her, but still she seemed to be Lois)
6) Kate Bosworth (I don't know who this girl was playing, but she wasn't Lois Lane)
7) Phylis Coates (Bottom of the list because I haven't yet seen her portrayal of Lois)

Soon I'll be able to figure out where Amy Adams fits on the list. I like her, but can she be Lois Lane? She seems more like a Lana Lang to me. Oh well.

 

[unclepatrick]

I'd never heard of Superdickery before.

That was GREAT seeing those old Lois Lane covers. I'm sure I have most of them. (Yes, have. I have all my comics safe and secure in boxes in my closet.)

Here's my list of my favorite actresses to play Lois listed in order from best to least favorite.

1) Erica Durance. (I wasn't a fan at first, but she grew on me.)
2) Noel Neill (My first Lois and always number one on this list until Erica finally won me over)
3) Terry Hatcher (She got her name before Clark's! She was a great Lois)
4) Margot Kidder (I never really liked her, but still she seemed to be Lois)
6) Kate Bosworth (I don't know who this girl was playing, but she wasn't Lois Lane)
7) Phylis Coates (Bottom of the list because I haven't yet seen her portrayal of Lois)

Soon I'll be able to figure out where Amy Adams fits on the list. I like her, but can she be Lois Lane? She seems more like a Lana Lang to me. Oh well.

I like Phylis Coates Lois more than Noel Neill, simply because she had a strong personality and I could believe that her Lois was a Successful reporter. Noel Neill always seen like the Lady in distress, but never a successful reporter. I enjoy re-watching Phylis Episodes when I recently look at the old Superman Series for my timeline, Step By Step.

I think it too soon to rule on Amy Adams since all we seen is two clips of her in the recent preview. But I looking forward to the new movie now.

 

[unclepatrick]

"Originally Posted by Asharella
There are several British shows I'm curious about.


And I ask you to please hold all questions until the next cycle (which will feature the next British Telly update). "



Which I am waiting to see. It all way interesting what you come up with.