Territorial acquisitions of a Central Power USA?

I am not fully aware of the colonies/territories owned by the Entente at the time of WW1, so I ask. If the US had for some reason joined the central powers, resulting in a central power victory, what might they take?

Obviously French and British islands in the Caribbean are up for grabs, but what else? What about French and British Guyana for example?

Note; Please do not include Canada, it is such a cliche in Central Power American Timelines
 
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Canada is a self governing Dominion, not really Britains to give away.

What is the US going to do all this arse kicking with, its 3 regular divisions or is it going to mobilize the 12 NG divisions too?
 
Canada is a self governing Dominion, not really Britains to give away.

I know and yet the majority of US central power timelines have it as a acquisition. Hell, even half of these answers are Canada and another includes a part of Canada
 
No. How did the Americans raise armies in both the wars ? There is the answer.

Oooh, chance for me to give the long answer!!!:) Don't judge me.:(

After the Spanish-American War it was decided that the system in place from the 1793(2?4?) Militia Act where the Regular Army called for Volunteers wasn't suitable in a modern war, so introduced a new Militia Act in 1903, called the Dick Act and amended it in 1908. Basically it stated that there was the Organised Militia - The National Guard, and the Unorganised Militia - everyone able to serve in the military, and that the National Guard was to be Federalised (Mobilised) before the call for Volunteers from the Unorganised Militia could be made.

In 1911 the US Regular Army was organised into 3 Divisions, based on the 3 Military Zones in CONUS, West, Central, East, the first time permanent combat units had been organised in peacetime. The concentration on the southern border in 1914 was the first test of this organisation, and it didn't go that well and was revised.

In 1912 Secretary of War Henry Stimson organised the National Guard into 12 divisions, Pennsylvania had a division since 1889 and NY had one as well. With the Regular Army's formation of Divisions this was the last real war plan the US had before WW1.

In 1915 a Preparedness Movement had begun t emerge, Secretary of War Lindley Garrison proposed the Regular Army expanded from 100,000 to 140,000 and a federal volunteer reserve of 400,000. Wilson himself asked Congress in 1915 to expand the Army to 400,000 and a further proposal to train 600,000 18 year olds every year were both defeated by Congress, particularly as these schemes marginalised the National Guard. However the preparedness movement set up and funded its own summer training camps (at Plattsburg, New York, and other sites) where 40,000 college alumni became physically fit, learned to march and shoot, and ultimately provided the cadre of a wartime officer corps.

Congress reached a compromise in May 1916. The army was to double in size to 11,300 officers and 208,000 men, with no reserves, and a National Guard that would be enlarged in five years to 440,000 men. This law authorised the formation of several new regiments, including a second heavy artillery regiment in Hawaii, but only a few were raised between then and April 1917. The law had several different establishment strengths; ~64 men per company for CONUS, 72 for oversea department like Hawaii and Panama and a war establishment of ~150 men.

In June 1916, to deal with the Pancho Villa problem Wilson mobilised the entire Regular Army and the entire national Guard in the Central Department, under General Fred Funtson of the Central Department. This mobilisation went smoothly after the 1914 experience, and several months of hard training and handling large formations along the Texas-Mexico border was invaluable for the US.

As for raising the million man Army, when the US declared war Congress simply authorised the immediate formation of all the regiments to be formed under the 1916 Defence Act and authorised that they be all bought up to full War establishment. This was a great start, later cavalry regiments were changed to infantry regiments and other stuff was done, but the initial legislation gave the Army a big bag to fill.

So, as you can see the US pretty much winged it.
 
Yes, they did. Will it be enough to make Canada sue for peace on US terms ? Definitely.

I'm not so certain, especially given we know nothing about the US joining the CP. What I do know is:
  • The PAM, also known as the Permanent Force (PF), was in effect Canada's standing army, consisting of one regular infantry regiment and two cavalry regiments until 1914. The PAM did not participate directly in the First World War.
  • The Non-Permanent Active Militia (NPAM) was Canada's part-time volunteer military force from the time of Confederation, composed of several dozen infantry battalions (redesignated as regiments in 1900) and cavalry regiments. With the withdrawal of the British forces in Canada after the turn of the 20th century, supporting corps were created in Canada as part of both the PAM and the NPAM. The NPAM did not mobilize during the First World War.
As for the US: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924095656413;view=1up;seq=13

REPORT OF THE SECRETARY OF WAR.
The Regular Army of the United States on June 30, 1914, con-
sisted of 4,701 officers and *87,781 men. Of these, 758 officers and
17,901 men belong to the Coast Artillery, and are therefore prac-
tically stationary in coast defenses; 1,008 officers and 18,434 men
belong to the staff, technical and noncombatant branches of the
Army, including recruits and men engaged in recruiting. This
leaves the Army which can be moved from place to place—that is, the
mobile Army, so-called—composed of 2,935 officers and 51,446 men.
At that time the various characters of troops were disposed of
approximately as follows:
In the Philippines, 33 regiments Infantry, 2 regiments Cavalry, 1
regiment Field Artillery, 2 companies Engineers, 11 companies Coast
Artillery (aggregate strength, 9,572). In the Hawaiian Islands, 3
regiments Infantry, 1 regiment Cavalry, 1 regiment Field Artillery, 1
company Engineers, 8 companies Coast Artillery (aggregate strength,
8,195). In the Canal Zone, 1 regiment Infantry, 3 companies Coast
Artillery (aggregate strength, 2,179). In China, 2 battalions Infantry
(aggregate strength, 849). In Alaska, 1 regiment Infantry (aggre-
gate strength, 862). In Vera Cruz, 4 regiments Infantry, 2 troops
Cavalry, 1 battalion Field Artillery, 1 company Engineers (aggregate
strength, 4,090). In Porto Rico, a 2-battalion regiment Infantry
(strength, 707). In United States, 17 regiments Infantry, 11}}
regiments Cavalry, 3% regiments Field Artillery, 2 battalions Engi-
neers, 148 companies Coast Artillery (aggregate strength, 64,579).
Troops en route and officers at other foreign stations, 1,449.
Practically all these organizations in the United States are on
what is known as a peace footing, which means that an Infantry
company, which upon a war footing should have 150 men, now has
65 men; a Cavalry troop, which upon a war footing should have 100
men, now has 71 men; an Artillery battery, which upon a war footing
should have 190 men, now has 133 men. The Coast Artillery com-
panies are always kept on a war footing of 104 men each.
In addition to work with the troops themselves, the officers of the
Army are called upon to do a great variety of work known as detached
service. For instance, the Engineers have 66 officers detached for
river and harbor work, and the other branches of the Army have
578 officers of the line detached for service in training the Organized
Militia of the several States, on duty at schools, recruiting, etc.
*Includes Quartermaster Corps, 3,809, and Hospital Corps, 4,055.
As a result, scarcely any unit in the Army ever has its proper com-
plement of officers, and the need for an increase of officers is urgent
and imperative. In continental United States we had in the mobile
Army on June 30, 1914, 1,495 officers and 29,405 men.
We have a reserve—that is, men who have been trained in the

Army and under the terms of their enlistment are subject to be called

back to the colors in time of war—consisting of 16 men.
The Organized Militia of the various States totals 8,323 officers and
119,087 men. The enlisted men thereof are required, in order to
obtain the financial aid which the Congress authorizes the Secretary
of War to extend under certain conditions, to attend 24 drills a year
and 5 days annually in the field. If all of the National Guard
could be summoned in the event of war and should all respond (an
inconceivable result), and if they were all found fairly efficient in the
first line—that is, the troops who would be expected to immediately
take the field—we could summon a force in this country of Regulars
and National Guard amounting to 9,818 officers and 148,492 men.
And this is absolutely all. The only other recourse would then
be volunteers, and to equip, organize, train, and make them ready
would take, at the smallest possible estimate, six months.
Anyone who takes the slightest trouble to investigate will find that
in modern warfare a prepared enemy would progress so far on the
way to success in six months, if his antagonist had to wait six months
to meet him, that such unprepared antagonist might as well concede
defeat without contest.
With respect to reserve matériel, one or two obvious things had
perhaps better be stated. This matériel, of course, can not be
quickly improvised. It requires long periods of time to produce; it
is the absolute essential of modern warfare, and must be kept on hand
if emergencies are to be prepared for. We have on hand in reserve
sufficient small arms, small-arm ammunition and equipment, roughly
figuring, for the 500,000 men that would have to be called into the
field in any large emergency. We have nothing like sufficient artillery
and artillery ammunition. This has been urgently presented in all of
the recent reports of the head of this Department and the Chiefs of
Staff, and Congress has from time to time recently increased the appro-
priations for these purposes. There is universal agreement among
all who know, that artillery is an essential feature of modern warfare,
and that a proper proportion thereof to any army is indispensable
if success is to be even hoped for. It is imperative that the manu-
facture of artillery and artillery ammunition should progress as
rapidly as is possible until a proper reserve thereof has been obtained.
 

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I know and yet the majority of US central power timelines have it as a acquisition. Hell, even half of these answers are Canada and another includes a part of Canada
I guess US could grab it in a Peace treaty with Canada. The status of the Dominions are somewhat complicated during WW1, but US would basically sign peace treaties with them at the same time as with Britain, and the annexation of Canadian territories would come up in the treaty they sign with Canada.
 
And how is Canada doing in raising an army to beat the Americans?

How are the British and the French doing in trying to keep their armies in the field without all those American produced weapons?

Sure the US didn't enter WWI with a huge standing army but neither did Canada or Britain. And the British aren't going to have anything to spare to send to the America's

Now, the interesting thing in setting peace terms would be how do American and German interests clash and how do they divide the spoils

What they would agree on is Irish independence. America had a huge Irish population that detested the British with all their hearts and souls. Germany would have no reason to object and the Irish have a new country

In America, Germany would have little interest at first and likely to let the Americans have free reign. So we give Canada and the Caribbean islands to the US with nominal independence. Guatemala will grab Belize, Venezuela a chunk out of Guyana and Argentina gets the Falklands/Malvinas

In the Pacific things get interesting. Germany has ambitions as do the Americans and Japanese. If Japan somehow survives, Australia and New Zealand are likely to throw themselves at the feet of the Americans or the Germans and beg for protection The Germans are likely to want French Indochina as their gateway to the Pacific, the Dutch are German puppets doing the Kaiser's bidding so a strong German contingent as well.

The Naval Balance of power will determine the divisions here and we need the relative strengths of the surviving Central Powers to get a firm idea on the Pacific and Africa. If America enters under a Democratic President, she is likely to have little interest in Africa. A Republican government will want to pander to the Black vote and might need to liberate blacks from British and French tyranny
 
I think the British would prioritise Canada over France. A Central Powers with the US included would more likely see France defeated, not Canada.
 

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I think the British would prioritise Canada over France. A Central Powers with the US included would more likely see France defeated, not Canada.
More likely it sees both Canada and France defeated. Canada simply cannot host a large army that would be needed to even hold the US for a temporary stalemate.
The naval situation also becomes worse rapidly for RN.
 
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If the US had for some reason joined the central powers, resulting in a central power victory, what might they take?

The short answer is, surprisingly little.

A longer answer starts with the question of American needs and goals. The US does not need territory, some strategically positioned bases would be nice but are not vital to American interests. What America does need is markets. Especially in a scenario with a stronger Germany.

Recall in their export markets US manufacturers main rivals were German, when considering which European power most wanted to intrude on the Western Hemisphere the answer was Germany and a list of powers most likely to be a problem in the Pacific reads Japan, Britain and yes Germany. An America confronted with a strong Germany would really like some other strongish powers in the mix to tangle things up for the Germans.

Thus the Americans might well establish bases in former British and French colonies without looking to take those territories for themselves. They want access and markets, let some other fools bare the costs of maintaining law and order, infrastructure and general public administration.

Thus a good clue would be to look at the bases that modern America has gained leases on, often indeed starting those arrangements with the British and the French and in some cases still having them with the British or French to this day in others with local governments. Ideally the US would seek to keep the British and French Empires open to American business in the face of German pressure towards exclusive Teutonic economic hegemony.
 
I think the British would prioritise Canada over France. A Central Powers with the US included would more likely see France defeated, not Canada.
Why would the British prioritize Canada over France? In a war with the US, Canada would certainly be lost and any attempt to stop the Americans would only delay the inevitable. I wouldn't think that the British would prioritize Canada over France,since France actually has a fighting chance over the Germans. At most, I see the British blockading the US navy from reaching Europe which would lead to intense fighting over the Atlantic, which would make the blockade over Germany more difficult since now the British are having to split the RN in order to defend from both Germany and the US, making this essentially a two front war for Britain. Canada would be the last of the British's worries.
 
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Would there even be fighting in canada? Canada would be fighting against a country almost ten times its size with litte hope for resuply. The Americans wouldnt want to make their future citizens feel like opressed subjects.

I could see the american amry just massing near the border while the canadian/british forces wait on the other side. The president of united states would probably make statements about the right of canadians to be free from the yolk of the british empire and they only intend to arrest those supporting the oppresion of canadians.

Canadian parlaiment gets a vote of no confidence, a pro peace coalition gets in power and declares independence, and british soldiers get placed in camps or shipped back to the uk.

Basically like Crimea 2014 except without the little green men.

Meanwhile, the american navy and british navy fight in the atlantic and pacific. South Africa and India get american arms and they flare up.
 
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