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With so big Russian diaspora - is in East Prussia something like OTL Russian Party of Serbia or Latvian Russian Union? Or TTL Prussian Russophiles vote for Progress Party?
The Russian Party in Serbia is not really a party for the Russian minority ATP, it’s a party of ethnic Serb Russophiles. The Russian minority is too small to get the RS into parliament anyway. The smart play here is that these hardline, single-issue Russophiles know a lot of Russophiles vote for other parties which pair Russophilia (either just in rhetoric or more rarely indeed in practice) with other issues, so they can’t meet the 3% parliamentary threshold and might struggle to get enough signatures to get registered as a party. As a minority party though, they have a lower threshold to get registered and get into parliament. For the hardline Russophiles this lets them guarantee a seat despite less votes, for the ethnic Russians, this gets the small community enough votes to actually get into parliament so many work with Russophile Serbs.
 
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Last country post before returning to Kerguelen again after a much needed break. Here you have a bit more info about TTL Kingdom of Yugoslavia:
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This is a small nitpick on an otherwise awesome TL, but if Venezuela remains a democratic state, this flag would be probably be the one in use, as the flag was changed by then-President Hugo Chavez in 2006.
(though it depends on where Venezuelan history diverged from OTL, perhaps you could keep the old U.S. of Venezuela flag, or used something else idk)
Wasn't the eighth star present at first to represent Guyana and the Esequibo? In this TTL Esequibo is part of Venezuela so it would make sense. I'm not entirely sure though, I'll look into it!
 
Wasn't the eighth star present at first to represent Guyana and the Esequibo? In this TTL Esequibo is part of Venezuela so it would make sense. I'm not entirely sure though, I'll look into it!
Yes, it was, but, the flag is meant to represent the seven provinces which signed the declaration of independence, so even if Essequibo was annexed, the flag would probably remain
 
Last country post before returning to Kerguelen again after a much needed break. Here you have a bit more info about TTL Kingdom of Yugoslavia:

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The wikipedia article seems pretty Chetnik Friendly, is there an anticommunist bias in wikipedia ITTL?

Did the Chetniks still work with the Axis, especially the Italians. I see Đujić is here, I know there’s a picture of him smiling and drinking woth Ustaše out there.

Clearly from what they did to the Muslims they were rather unsavoury. How are Chetnik relations woth Croats and Slovenes? I know the Slovenes were more open to working with Serb monarchists than one might expect albeit strongly for a federal Yugoslavia.

How decentralized is Yugoslavia?

What became of the Muslim Chetniks? Did they have any success in pushing for tolerance from within at all? Doesn’t seem like it.

Were there harsher than OTL reprisals against rhe Ustaše and Home Guard? I know ITTL the Yugoslav Holocaust was sort of kept on the down low and the focus was on German crimes in occupied Serbia in order to keep tensions low. Also, this is more anecdotal but I know people who know Croatian Home Guard fighters who joined the Partisans at the end of the war & got partisan pensions (this was actually something that radicalized a fair amount of Communist and nationally moderate Serbs into nationalists). I imagine that the Chetniks frame the Partisans as collaborators ITTL over stuff like that?
 
The wikipedia article seems pretty Chetnik Friendly, is there an anticommunist bias in wikipedia ITTL?
Winners write history, don't they? Most of the Yugoslav Communist victories and achievements (like for instance evacuating Muslim civilians from central Yugoslavia to Albania to avoid more massacres or resisting the siege of Zagreb for several months) were largely overshadowed by their eventual defeat.
Did the Chetniks still work with the Axis, especially the Italians. I see Đujić is here, I know there’s a picture of him smiling and drinking woth Ustaše out there.
Not really, that is a change from OTL. The Chetnik group was originally founded as the "Chetnik Association for the Freedom and Honor of the Fatherland", so collaborating with a foreign invasion was against their principles. The Chetniks fought the Germans and Italians fiercely, especially during the liberation of Belgrade, and contiguously sabotaged Axis logistical lines and means of transportation. Most likely if the Chetniks had collaborated with the Germans or the Italians the allies would have retired their support.
Clearly from what they did to the Muslims they were rather unsavoury. How are Chetnik relations woth Croats and Slovenes? I know the Slovenes were more open to working with Serb monarchists than one might expect albeit strongly for a federal Yugoslavia.
Chetniks were largely anti-croat and anti-catholic, so their relationship with other Yugoslav ethnic groups was difficult. Slovenes didn't suppose much of an issue, there even was a big group of anti-communist Slovene Chetniks during the time. However, the relationship with the Croats was very difficult. During the war, Chentiks also targeted the Croat civil population as the majority of the area supported Tito and the Communists.

How decentralized is Yugoslavia?
The country is a Federal Parliamentary Monarchy, divided into 10 autonomous regions with a high degree of decentralization. Similar to the German states.
What became of the Muslim Chetniks? Did they have any success in pushing for tolerance from within at all? Doesn’t seem like it.
The Muslim Chetniks formed the Muslim Chetnik Militia during the axis occupation but was later prohibited. Most Muslim Chetniks collaborated with the Serbs to protects themselves rather than fighting for a united Yugoslavia or ethnic homogenity.
Were there harsher than OTL reprisals against rhe Ustaše and Home Guard?
Yes! One of the reasons why Chetniks targeted Croatians during the Civil War was, in part, for the Ustase and the Home Guard. Also, the Ustase assassinated King Alexander I in 1934, so Chetniks had very strong feelings against them.
I imagine that the Chetniks frame the Partisans as collaborators ITTL over stuff like that?
I didn't think about that but makes lots of sense. Chetniks were eager to find reasons to justify their actions during the war, if they considered part of the Commie Partisans "collaborators" they would have had even more reasons to fight them.
 
Winners write history, don't they? Most of the Yugoslav Communist victories and achievements (like for instance evacuating Muslim civilians from central Yugoslavia to Albania to avoid more massacres or resisting the siege of Zagreb for several months) were largely overshadowed by their eventual defeat.
Makes sense.
Not really, that is a change from OTL. The Chetnik group was originally founded as the "Chetnik Association for the Freedom and Honor of the Fatherland", so collaborating with a foreign invasion was against their principles. The Chetniks fought the Germans and Italians fiercely, especially during the liberation of Belgrade, and contiguously sabotaged Axis logistical lines and means of transportation. Most likely if the Chetniks had collaborated with the Germans or the Italians the allies would have retired their support.
Oh that’s a pleasant difference. I know quite a lot of Serbs who hate Đujić for “guarding the railways thag took Serb children to Jasenovac from Partisan attacks”. I think a big reason the article came off as particularly pro Chetnik to me was because I assumed the collaboration HAD happened but was swept under the rug. This is much more wholesome

Chetniks were largely anti-croat and anti-catholic, so their relationship with other Yugoslav ethnic groups was difficult. Slovenes didn't suppose much of an issue, there even was a big group of anti-communist Slovene Chetniks during the time. However, the relationship with the Croats was very difficult. During the war, Chentiks also targeted the Croat civil population as the majority of the area supported Tito and the Communists.
I imagine there’s pribably a big communist/socialist separatist movement in Croatia then. Lots of OTL partisans actually started off as left leaning separatists and the promise of an ethnically balanced federation was what got them to support a red Yugoslavia. An interesting contrast to OTLs right wing Catholic separatism would be Communist separatism, with perhaps a notable Christian socialist movement too as odd as that sounds.

The country is a Federal Parliamentary Monarchy, divided into 10 autonomous regions with a high degree of decentralization. Similar to the German states.
Given that it’s divided into Banovine rather than ethnically, especially since it already had begun to be divided ethnically before WWII in the Cvetković-Maček agreement (but I suppose “Croatian state suicide” is an argument the Chetniks would gave) there will be a lot of tension.

How are the Macedonians feeling? How many Bosniaks are even left? Have the Albanians been expelled, killed, what’s up there?

Slovenia basically being its own Banovina even if under a different name was probably a big reason why Slovenes were less intensely separatist IOTL and may remain the case ITTL.

I wonder how the Croats feel abojt Yugoslavia giving them Rijeka and Zadar, which were major OTL national goals, despite not giving them a unified Banovina. Is there a movement to unite the Littoral and Sava banovine?

The Muslim Chetniks formed the Muslim Chetnik Militia during the axis occupation but was later prohibited. Most Muslim Chetniks collaborated with the Serbs to protects themselves rather than fighting for a united Yugoslavia or ethnic homogenity.
Makes sense.

Yes! One of the reasons why Chetniks targeted Croatians during the Civil War was, in part, for the Ustase and the Home Guard. Also, the Ustase assassinated King Alexander I in 1934, so Chetniks had very strong feelings against them.
Sensible.

I didn't think about that but makes lots of sense. Chetniks were eager to find reasons to justify their actions during the war, if they considered part of the Commie Partisans "collaborators" they would have had even more reasons to fight them.
Right. There is also the angle of “Tito was a decorated Austro-Hungarian soldier he wants to make us slaves to foreigners and got medals for killing Serbs/fellow Yugoslavs” which is very common among neo Chetniks today
 
Makes sense.

Oh that’s a pleasant difference. I know quite a lot of Serbs who hate Đujić for “guarding the railways thag took Serb children to Jasenovac from Partisan attacks”. I think a big reason the article came off as particularly pro Chetnik to me was because I assumed the collaboration HAD happened but was swept under the rug. This is much more wholesome


I imagine there’s pribably a big communist/socialist separatist movement in Croatia then. Lots of OTL partisans actually started off as left leaning separatists and the promise of an ethnically balanced federation was what got them to support a red Yugoslavia. An interesting contrast to OTLs right wing Catholic separatism would be Communist separatism, with perhaps a notable Christian socialist movement too as odd as that sounds.


Given that it’s divided into Banovine rather than ethnically, especially since it already had begun to be divided ethnically before WWII in the Cvetković-Maček agreement (but I suppose “Croatian state suicide” is an argument the Chetniks would gave) there will be a lot of tension.

How are the Macedonians feeling? How many Bosniaks are even left? Have the Albanians been expelled, killed, what’s up there?

Slovenia basically being its own Banovina even if under a different name was probably a big reason why Slovenes were less intensely separatist IOTL and may remain the case ITTL.

I wonder how the Croats feel abojt Yugoslavia giving them Rijeka and Zadar, which were major OTL national goals, despite not giving them a unified Banovina. Is there a movement to unite the Littoral and Sava banovine?


Makes sense.


Sensible.


Right. There is also the angle of “Tito was a decorated Austro-Hungarian soldier he wants to make us slaves to foreigners and got medals for killing Serbs/fellow Yugoslavs” which is very common among neo Chetniks today
Do you happen to be from a Balkan country??? I'm currently working on a post about Kerguelen's capital Port-aux-Français, but after that I would like to continue with the 2024 Yugoslav general election post. If so, I would like to ask you some questions as you seem to know a fair bit about the region!
 
Do you happen to be from a Balkan country??? I'm currently working on a post about Kerguelen's capital Port-aux-Français, but after that I would like to continue with the 2024 Yugoslav general election post. If so, I would like to ask you some questions as you seem to know a fair bit about the region!
Yeah I'm a Herzegovinian Serb. I'd love to help you out, Balkan folks are hard to come by on this forum (I know damn well how hard it is because I've been trying and largely failing to get more informed feedback on a no Yugoslav wars TL that I've been cooking for months now).

As always I will try to keep any ethnic bias out of the answers, but expect me to be a smidge more closely informed on Serb perspectives since the people I am exposed to most and the non-English sources I have the most access to tend to be Serbian.
 
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Yeah I'm a Herzegovinian Serb. I'd love to help you out, Balkan folks are hard to come by on this forum (I know damn well how hard it is because I've been trying and largely failing to get more informed feedback on a no Yugoslav wars TL that I've been cooking for months now).

As always I will try to keep any ethnic bias out of the answers, but expect me to be a smidge more closely informed on Serb perspectives since the people I am exposed to most and the non-English sources I have the most access to tend to be Serbian.
Awesome!!
 
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