Temple Mount rebuilt

POD Six day war.

After capturing the Temple Mount Israeli soldiers dynamite the Mosques built atop the ruins of the Temple of Jerusalem. This is followed immediately by the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza.

What next?
 
The Intifada starts twenty years early to begin with. Perhaps a Jihad declaration, and if the Brotherhood gets sufficiently riled, an assassination attempt on Nasser, and definitely Hussein, is quite likely. Whether it is successful or not is debatable. That could be a good POD for a TL where Islamic extremism starts much earlier than OTL. Does anyone accept the challenge?
 

Nietzsche

Banned
POD Six day war.

After capturing the Temple Mount Israeli soldiers dynamite the Mosques built atop the ruins of the Temple of Jerusalem. This is followed immediately by the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza.

What next?

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Israel and the rest of the Islamic World...and just most of the world in general are on very bad terms. Israel did what could best be called a "Dick move". And because of this, no one is going to be sympathetic when, not if, all the other Arab countries gang-pile and begin drawing up how they'll divide the territories. The US isn't going to support Israel after such a blatant provocation of...well, really, anyone who's a decent human being. This is a really good "How to get rid of Israel before 1980" PoD.
 
It would be much more likely if the the Muslims fight much harder in Jerusalem, which "forces" the Israelis to call in air strikes, which "miss", and just happen to hit the Dome of the Rock. Also, if the Temple is rebuilt, Christian Fundamentalism goes wild in USA. If the Temple is rebuilt, all of them expect that Christ will return in a few days.
 
Israel wouldn't tolerate something like this. The government, that is. And particuarly not the labour govt. of Levi Eshkol. I seem to remember something about the Stern Gang having plans to do this in '48; fortunately they never got the opportunity. What I have never understood is why the crusaders didn't destroy it when they got there. I mean, they behaved so badly, killed most of Jerusalem's jews, etc.
 
This wouldn't be an order by the Israeli govermnent but the action of a few extremist Israeli soldiers.
 
This wouldn't be an order by the Israeli govermnent but the action of a few extremist Israeli soldiers.

"A few"? You need some heavy gear to blow up a bunch of stone temples and build a new one before someone notices. I also fail to see how could "a few" soldiers annex Gaza and the West Bank.

Also, I have the impression that the Israeli Army in 1967 was much more secular and was much less influenced by extremist rabbis than today. We're talking about a country founded and governed by, dare I say it, SOCIALISTS!!!11111ONE.
 

Keenir

Banned
What I have never understood is why the crusaders didn't destroy it when they got there. I mean, they behaved so badly, killed most of Jerusalem's jews, etc.

maybe they figured that they were holding the Dome hostage. (that and, unlike the Jews, the Muslims had their own armies - so if anything happened to the Dome, if and when the city was re-taken it'd be bye-bye to the Christian sites in retaliation.

This wouldn't be an order by the Israeli govermnent but the action of a few extremist Israeli soldiers.

and the number of nations who would care about that distinction is....next to none.

"A few"? You need some heavy gear to blow up a bunch of stone temples and build a new one before someone notices. I also fail to see how could "a few" soldiers annex Gaza and the West Bank.

*shrugs* maybe he means that the "few" troops blow up the Dome Of The Rrock, and the Government, seeing that its gone, decides "ah what the hay, I'll rebuild the Temple".
 
Gents,

A few things we need to remember in this thread about the time in which the POD occurs, 1967:

- US support for Israel in 1967 is not yet as automatic or substantial as US support will become in the 1970s. The USSR may be active in Egypt, but Cold War politics has not yet intruded as much as it will after the war and especially not as much as it will after the Yom Kippur War. It will only be well after the Six Day War, as the Arab nations turn to the USSR for the weapons that the West refuses to sell them, that US support for Israel will become what it will be.

In other words, the historical level of US support of Israel in 1967 will not stop the US from being in the forefront of any condemnation over the destruction of the Dome of the Rock. Furthermore, US would impose sanctions over such an act.

- Fundamental Christianity, especially the various millennial sects, are barely present in 1967. There are scattered sects and congregations who will be aware of "prophecies" regarding the Temple, but they are few in number, lack any real political power, and - most importantly - have not yet begun to employ mass media to spread their message. If plans for the Temple were announced in 2009, there would be a tidal wave of media produced by these sects. However, in 1967, the same sects are few in number and all but invisible in a mass media sense.

Again, in other words, there won't be hordes of snake jugglers in 1967 descending on Washington and speaking in tongues to their congressmen as they praise the arrival of the Temple and try to dictate the US response to such a horrific act of religious and cultural vandalism.


Bill
 
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I think it is a tad ASBish that they would rebuild the Temple in the first place. There is a lot of debate as to whether Jews can even set foot on the Temple Mount. Even assuming the Israeli government can be convinced to allow it you are going to have to settle the theological disagreements among the Orthodox at least for the construction to go forward.
 
As they did effectively annex Gaza and the West Bank in OTL without to many reprecussions I doubt that'll affect things to much.
As to Temple Mount if it was done in battle and they did not rebuild the temple then it wouldn't make the Arabs hate Isreal anymore and the rest of the non-muslim worl wouldn't care.
 
I'm just curious about something.

Does the temple have to be rebuilt on the same place it used to be? :p Why can't they just build it on land not currently in use? Does the Bible or Torah or whatever demand it be in a certain place?
 
"A few"? You need some heavy gear to blow up a bunch of stone temples and build a new one before someone notices. I also fail to see how could "a few" soldiers annex Gaza and the West Bank.

I was actually thinking of a program I saw on History chanel. Here's some of the story behid it.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/202073

Basically the chief Rabbi of the Israeli army tried to get the Israeli commander who had captured the Dome of the Rock to blow it up.

The annexation would happen after the destruction of the Dome of the Rock.

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Also, I have the impression that the Israeli Army in 1967 was much more secular and was much less influenced by extremist rabbis than today. We're talking about a country founded and governed by, dare I say it, SOCIALISTS!!!11111ONE.

You're quite right actually but in the heat of the moment its possible someone could loose their head.
 
Somehow the term "teabagging a hornet's nest" comes to mind. You think Militant Jihadist extremism is bad OTL, ITTL it's several orders of magnitude worse and, no, the west will NOT come to the rescue. Cue genocide... :(
 
By 1967 there really isn't any possibility of Genocide. Israel could easily defeat any threat with the exception of the Soviet Union. Besides Islamism hasn't risin at this point, but this would be the trigger.
 

Bearcat

Banned
1973

Yom Kippur war will be MUCH worse. War to the knife, with the Sovs actively exploiting the destruction and supporting their clients. Ouch.
 
The Soviets did support Egypt and Syria in 1973. Its just that the Egyptians didn't plan to move beyond their missile umbrella and the Golan heights are a lot tougher to fight in than the Sinia. But of course the strategic goals may have changed as a result of the destruction the Dome of the Rock.

So I guess we'd be asking WI the Syrians, Egyptians joined by the Jordanians launched another general war against Israel. I think you could see a missile umbrella erected over the river Jordan.
 

Bearcat

Banned
I can also

see the Soviets being much more active. Maybe direct air support even. And the world maybe letting it happen, or at least not acting before its too late.
 
These guys should team up with the people from the communist Israel thread to make a TL. It would be pretty cool too.

I think that an Israel doing this would pretty much be isolated and be involved in a Vietnam-type war. Soviets supporting Israel, West supporting Arabs. Probs US would be neutral, but it could come to the Arab side under certain butterflies.

Jim
 
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