Tecumseh didn't die, in fact, he formed his own country!

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Political reasons. It's happened before. Why is Quebec still here? The British saw the Quebecois as inferior
They didn't, but that's beside the point since what you just said isn't really relevant, you can't equate French settlers with Indians
This is the reverse. In this case, the new settlers see the already instituted government of the confederacy as inferior, but are allowed in because the confederacy has ways of keeping them under control.
The problem is an Indian nation is highly unlikely to be able to keep those settlers under control
 
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I have NOT CHOSEN to move them to BC, they were forced by mass migration. If you can't say something constructive, don't say anything.
Dude, forced deportation/migrations generally don't end up this well for the people
 
Alright, abandoning this thread. Something more plausible is coming up: What if Hannibal hadn't waited for his brother Hasdrubal but had instead marched forward and taken Rome?
 
You have made some good points here... The idea here was that the British made a decision similar to that of the Russians in Alaska, suggesting that they had no want for the territories in the west and that they would be collectively "neutral." I will ignore the "do you know anything" [presumably about this epoch] comment...

The idea is that through the use of European technologies Tecumseh somehow annexed the western tribes, and defeated the Red Styx with the help of the redcoats. Although "white supremacy" was a common enough sentiment within the empire, we have to acknowledge that the British don't want the western territories but neither do they want the Americans to have them, thus they have created a state to stop the latter from occurring.

In fact, it is a misconception that the American ships were completely ******* up the British ships, and as Canada, or the British empire, did win the War of 1812 [yes, I am a Canadian, the confession is made] they could have exacted far greater measures on the US and presumably would have banned western expansion as they had to the thirteen colonies.

Maybe I'll abandon this thread, but at least there are some points to be made.


Umm i'd like to clarify some points, the war of 1812 was a stalemate, initially the Brits won but after Baltimore the Brits were routed and American commander learned how to fight the British.. nearly every war goal Britain had failed by 1814....




So yes the British navy was superior in the atlantic but in the great lakes the US had the superior navy or how else did the US win nearly every naval engagement in the Great lakes.




The red Styx dude were Tecumsehs allies... not enemies in fact the Red Styx leader was Tecuumseh.


Western tech well let's see the Brits already supplied him with weapons so you don't believe the Americans will fund the
other Tribes in war with Styx, they convinced Choctaw????


So just made this post to clarify some points.

oh btw just to let you know the war was a stalemate because America failed to make major gains in Canada while Britain failed to take America and so the two signed a peace treaty to end the bloody fighting.
 
Umm i'd like to clarify some points, the war of 1812 was a stalemate, initially the Brits won but after Baltimore the Brits were routed and American commander learned how to fight the British.. nearly every war goal Britain had failed by 1814....




So yes the British navy was superior in the atlantic but in the great lakes the US had the superior navy or how else did the US win nearly every naval engagement in the Great lakes.




The red Styx dude were Tecumsehs allies... not enemies in fact the Red Styx leader was Tecuumseh.


Western tech well let's see the Brits already supplied him with weapons so you don't believe the Americans will fund the
other Tribes in war with Styx, they convinced Choctaw????


So just made this post to clarify some points.

oh btw just to let you know the war was a stalemate because America failed to make major gains in Canada while Britain failed to take America and so the two signed a peace treaty to end the bloody fighting.


It depends on how you look at things. On the Canadian border, Great Britain won. This is because the US INVADED Canada and a force of largely militia and First Nations drove back the US at battles such as Chateauguay. In fact, several politicians suggested that the conquest of Canada would be "a mere matter of marching." The fact is that British troops and Canadian militia burnt down the white house after invading Washington. The US annexed York [Toronto] for a while but they were driven back.
 
As a person who lives next to and works on an Indian Reservation, your premise exhibits a common misconception about Native Americans that many folks are unaware they possess. The different tribes are not monolithic but are separate nations. Many of whom are ancient enemies. Some of these ancient hostilities remain to this day. Where I work, the Eastern Shoshones and Northern Arapahos were forced to cohabit on the Wind River Reservation but their cultures and religion are very different. Their languages come from completely different language families (Uto-Aztecan versus Algonquin). They used to kill each other and steal horses and they still look upon each other with disdain.

For a Shawnee chief to be founding a nation among the Salishan peoples of the west coast is so far-fetched that it is almost ASB, in my opinion. For Tecumseh to be leading a nation, methinks the POD should be perhaps 150 years before his time which seems to me the last chance the native peoples of America could have united and stopped the Europeans from swamping them, population-wise. The colonies already had 2.5 million people at the beginning of the Revolution in 1775. Thats too many to drive into the sea.

Of course if the POD was 150 years before Tecumseh's time, he probably would have been butterflied away.
 
As a person who lives next to and works on an Indian Reservation, your premise exhibits a common misconception about Native Americans that many folks are unaware they possess. The different tribes are not monolithic but are separate nations. Many of whom are ancient enemies. Some of these ancient hostilities remain to this day. Where I work, the Eastern Shoshones and Northern Arapahos were forced to cohabit on the Wind River Reservation but their cultures and religion are very different. Their languages come from completely different language families (Uto-Aztecan versus Algonquin). They used to kill each other and steal horses and they still look upon each other with disdain.

For a Shawnee chief to be founding a nation among the Salishan peoples of the west coast is so far-fetched that it is almost ASB, in my opinion. For Tecumseh to be leading a nation, methinks the POD should be perhaps 150 years before his time which seems to me the last chance the native peoples of America could have united and stopped the Europeans from swamping them, population-wise. The colonies already had 2.5 million people at the beginning of the Revolution in 1775. Thats too many to drive into the sea.

Of course if the POD was 150 years before Tecumseh's time, he probably would have been butterflied away.

The idea was of annexation by the Shawnee... But never mind, this thread is dead.
 
Alright, abandoning this thread. Something more plausible is coming up: What if Hannibal hadn't waited for his brother Hasdrubal but had instead marched forward?


That's probably a better way of going about things. Had you started this thread with "What if Tecumseh had lived into old age?" and then listed a few starter questions concerning what he might have done, where might he have gone, and how he might have used his leadership and warrior skills in the future, things on this thread might have been more positive and constructive. Sorry you had a rough landing here at ah.com.
 
Plausibility matters which forum a thread goes into, right?

No, if you're speaking of consigning this to ASB. ASB is for magical or supernatural PODs, or science fiction stuff which doesn't really fit in a historical forum. Simply because a POD may be wildly unlikely does not make it magical or supernatural.
 
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