Technology after a German WW1 Victory?

if the allies (germany-aus-hungary, ottoman empire) won, then the austro-hungarian empire wouldve compeltly annexed serbia for good...no question of its independence would ever be raised again...
That raises a good question. With the Ottoman empire intact how might oil mineing be differnt in the areas of the middle east than in OTL. As I understand the British had a big influence there after the war and set up governments and countries such as Iraq with the special goal in mind of making it easier for them to mine the oil. Without that it might affect the developments of many materials made from refined oil as well as the advancements of combustion engines.
 
It will really depend on how fast the war is won.

*1914/1915 - Germany takes Paris quickly and can shift her armies East to defeat Russia almost as fast. Germany will want a Western border along the Meuse if not the whole of Belgium and possibly the whole of Lorraine. Possibly a satellite kingdom/duchy out of Franche-Comte. In the East Poland, the Baltic States, Finland, and Ukraine become German satellites but otherwise Russia is largely left alone. Ironically the leftovers of Russia become more stable and homogenous, but are strapped for resources. Siberia is developed industrially and becomes the focus for the new Russia.

-Technology focuses more less on synthetics but more on aircraft, automobiles/fast transport, and possibly metallurgy. Rockets will be avoided almost outright, electronics and aircraft will have a 10-15 years less development, and tanks might be only a dream for a while. Naval forces stay with battleships. Overall radios will develop but there will be less recognisable tech and the US will be an industrial powerhouse but not nearly so prosperous. There is no boom in the late 20s but no bust either. Overall the 20th century will take a *Very* different direction and there will likely be another war in a generation with technology we would recognize as early 1930s because the war is much less devastating and the dream of "a just war" still floats in people's heads.

*CP victory in 1916/early 1917: Germany will lose some of her colonies but probably realize that European territory has its perks too. She can use third parties to trade and work to develop rubber, gasoline, and other products on her own. Russia will still suffer as above but the West will probably be either status quo antebellum or with a few changes. Perhaps Lorraine goes to Germany, perhaps Belgium becomes a German protectorate, perhaps the French pay indemnities, but not all of the above.

-Technology will focus on synthetics as the Haber process was about the only reason Germany could fight the war for so long. Science and material processing will predominate, aircraft and tanks will be developed. Rockets are a novelty that could be used to hit London and thus they recieve attention. The MP18 will be in its prototype stages soon and likely small arms will see further developments. Emigration will not be as severe and there will still be a chance of another war in a generation but the horrors of the Western Front will be fresh for some people. Overall technology will not change too much by then but there will be more people and the potential for a more devastating war. France likely goes fascist and might be the "bad guy" for the next war

*CP victory in late 1917/1918: "victor's justice" with a Treaty of Paris or Treaty of Versailles that will either se no gains or lots of them. Germany will want the Meuse in the West, rip the Russians apart, and probably let Austria quietly disintegrate but in a way that favors Germany. Austria is likely dead either way but the prospect of a GrossDeutchLand with most of modern Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria, Czechloslovakia, and Poland in it makes for one powerful state. Italy loses the Trentino, which will join Germany, and Venice might become a free city. Ottomans get much less than they expect and become a new Italy that falls to fascism in the late 20s. Russia goes Soviet but the Civil War takes down the Communists as Germany steps in and restores the Romanovs as puppets.

-Technology will focus on automation, synthetic chemistry, aircraft, automobiles/tanks, and self-sufficiency. Investment will increase as the shortages will create deep scars, they will want to avoid any of those in the future should there be another war. Fuel efficiency might also be another area of interest as might shipbuilding/submarine technology. Considering that the Germans used subs from the end of World War I to restart their sub research 15 years later, we might see Elektricboots in 1930s if the research continues unabated. Small arms will see development and perhaps if Belgium is in German hands they get the FN developer who builds the FN 1949 and later FN FAL. Rockets will get attention because of their long-distance potential while agricultural technology will see development, perhaps earlier hydroponics or improved mechanization, so more labor could be freed.
 
*CP victory in late 1917/1918: "victor's justice" with a Treaty of Paris or Treaty of Versailles that will either se no gains or lots of them. Germany will want the Meuse in the West, rip the Russians apart, and probably let Austria quietly disintegrate but in a way that favors Germany. Austria is likely dead either way but the prospect of a GrossDeutchLand with most of modern Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, Austria, Czechloslovakia, and Poland in it makes for one powerful state. Italy loses the Trentino, which will join Germany, and Venice might become a free city. Ottomans get much less than they expect and become a new Italy that falls to fascism in the late 20s. Russia goes Soviet but the Civil War takes down the Communists as Germany steps in and restores the Romanovs as puppets.

-Technology will focus on automation, synthetic chemistry, aircraft, automobiles/tanks, and self-sufficiency. Investment will increase as the shortages will create deep scars, they will want to avoid any of those in the future should there be another war. Fuel efficiency might also be another area of interest as might shipbuilding/submarine technology. Considering that the Germans used subs from the end of World War I to restart their sub research 15 years later, we might see Elektricboots in 1930s if the research continues unabated. Small arms will see development and perhaps if Belgium is in German hands they get the FN developer who builds the FN 1949 and later FN FAL. Rockets will get attention because of their long-distance potential while agricultural technology will see development, perhaps earlier hydroponics or improved mechanization, so more labor could be freed.
So with such a POD the world might become more technologicaly advanced overall? Interesting. With a late war POD such as this though what tech could be held back in development?
 
I think submarine technology like the Mittel U class from late WWI would simply be advanced instead of put largely on "pause" for 15-20 years. A Germany navy equipped with Elektroboots at the opening of a new war would be a serious threat to a merchant marine force. If Lilienfield does not move to the US but instead to Germany they might get transitor technology in the late 1920s (He apparently invented something akin to a Field Electric Transistor, another man named Oskar Heil came close int eh 1930s, put them together and what can they build?!). Synthetic chemistry was already under increased development. Knute Rockne, the famous football coach, was also talented in Chemistry and was working on synthetic rubber in the mid-1910s timeframe. Ironically synthetic rubber also makes a heck of a great *rocket propellant* when mixed with a few other chemicals.

Imagine WWII starting out with electronics, submarines, and synthetic technology from the mid 1950s. A Germany that has gasoline for her tanks...throughout the war. Also remember that removing the Nazis would keep a lot of talent in Germany for a long time. Could be an interesting (set of) timelines.
 

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Imagine WWII starting out with electronics, submarines, and synthetic technology from the mid 1950s. A Germany that has gasoline for her tanks...throughout the war. Also remember that removing the Nazis would keep a lot of talent in Germany for a long time. Could be an interesting (set of) timelines.

If Germany wins WW1, she likely gets her oil from A-H, Romania, and Ottoman Empire. Assuming a big war like WW2 breaks out after WW1, oil will not be Germany's problem, but something else.
 
*1914/1915 - Germany takes Paris quickly and can shift her armies East to defeat Russia almost as fast. Germany will want a Western border along the Meuse if not the whole of Belgium and possibly the whole of Lorraine. Possibly a satellite kingdom/duchy out of Franche-Comte. In the East Poland, the Baltic States, Finland, and Ukraine become German satellites but otherwise Russia is largely left alone.
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It is not nearly certain Finland or even all of today's Baltic states would be broken off from Russia in the event of a quick CP victory. Even the Ukraine is contingent of different circumstances.

For example, IOTL, that Finland from detached from Russia came about because the war dragged on so long that a local independence movement could form, partly made possible by the weakening of Russia and the revolutions that caused a power vacuum to form in the Grand Duchy. Wrestling Finland away wasn't a pre-war German plan for a swift war, because Finland was hard to get at militarily and it was thought unrealistic that Russia would relinquish land it still militarily holds from so close to the imperial capital, even if they have just been beaten in Poland or the Ukraine.

Even in 1916 and the most of 1917 IOTL the Germans were unwilling to fully commit to supporting Finnish secessionism because it seemed an unrealistic prospect: this is evidenced by the correspondence between Finnish and German leaders at the time, and the fact that Germany wanted Finland to first receive recognition from Lenin et al. for her independence before vocally supporting Finnish independence at Brest-Litovsk.
 
It really depends on what kind of a German victory comes out of it, and I`m not necessarely talking about dates here.

The most sucessful German victory scenario in which they outright defeat France and get Brest-Litovsk basically butterflies away WW2 alltogether; France will likely lose Briey-Longwy in this case (doubtful about the rest of Lorraine; its basically worthless to the Germans) and that automatically reduces France to the power status of, say, Italy IOTL. The Briey-Longwy industrial region was just THAT important to the French industry.

The same applies to a rump Brest-Litovsk USSR/Russia that, even assuming that it keeps everything else, simply can`t industrialize they way it did IOTL without the territories lost with the Brest-Litovsk treaty.

All this basically means that Germany is the uncontested ruler of the continent, so much so that even Britain can`t threaten its dominance in any meaningful way. This is really the main German war goal for WWI; secure Germany`s position by crippling Russia and France so they are removed as a viable threat to Germany, and become the hegemon of Europe while doing so. In this scenario, I can definately see technology advancing at a slower rate in some areas then IOTL; outright stagnation is out of the question since this isn`t Warhammer1900. :p

BUT if Germany doesn`t manage to achieve such a massive victory it`s position won`t be nearly as secure; lets say Germany gets a very late win where it loses all her colonies, annexes Luxmebourg but otherwise gets a status quo ante in the West and manages to lose control over the areas the USSR held IOTL due to demobilization of the Reichswehr. Though this sounds increasingly like a negotiated peace rather than a victory, this does leave France and the USSR (if it goes through a Stalinist crash-course in industrialisation) in a much better position to become threats again, especially with the UKs support and if A-H and the Ottoman Empire both fall apart, thus depriving Germany of her main allies.

This scenario has a Germany still threatened from both East and West and although it controls more land and resources it has no significant allies on her side. That would mean that, in the case of another war, Germany would have all the problems it had in the beggining of WWI and a few added ones. ITTL all sides would probably invest heavily in new tech to give them an advantage in the next war, especially the Germans who will frantically search for ways to make the next war shorter in order to avoid all the negative aspects of a prolonged war that was WWI. This would probably mean investing in many technologies already mentioned in this thread, especially tanks which would possibly be seen as a weapon that could, if properly developed, put an end to position warfare, at least in the way it exsisted in WWI.

So if there is still a threat of another great war, I`d expect that tech will advance at least at the rate it advanced IOTL, if not faster.
 
I thought that German war plans for victory involved vivisection of Russia with several nationalities and placing Hohenzollerns as princes of satellite states. Ukraine's detachment was certainly discussed and I thought the Baltic was also planned, Finland could be done easily in case of a devastating settlement and perhaps less likely Byelorussia. Not sure what comes of the South especially if the Ottomans go farther though.
 
I thought that German war plans for victory involved vivisection of Russia with several nationalities and placing Hohenzollerns as princes of satellite states. Ukraine's detachment was certainly discussed and I thought the Baltic was also planned, Finland could be done easily in case of a devastating settlement and perhaps less likely Byelorussia. Not sure what comes of the South especially if the Ottomans go farther though.

Sure, in a perfect world according to late war plans. But I think for Finland one salient point is that it is strategically much more important to Russia than to Germany. Russia will put more weight to holding on to Finland than Germany to detaching it from Russia, and Germany knows that - like I pointed out, even at Brest-Litovsk it was at first uncertain if Germany would press for Finland being part of the deal. And in late 1917 - early 1918 Russia was in a very bad way: I find it unlikely Germany could rout Russia more seriously already in 1914-15.
 
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