Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues: An Alternate 1984 US Presidential Election

Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues

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-Congressman Lawrence P. "Larry" McDonald (D-GA), announcing his entry into the 1984 Democratic Presidential Primaries-


Okay, so who are you?

Hi, I'm Gonzo; I co-write No Southern Strategy: The Political Ramifications of an Alternate 1964 Election along with Nofix. It's a TL about an alternate 1964 Presidential Election where the GOP never employs the Southern Strategy and ensures that the Democratic Solid South holds at least for a few more years.

Oh, I may have read it - I don't remember. So what the hell is this?

Uhh. This is a new timeline inspired by an idea I've had ever since I signed up on the forums concerning a different 1984 Presidential Election with the entrance of conservative Georgia Democrat Larry McDonald into the Democratic fray.

Larry McDonald? Wasn't he the radically right wing President of the John Birch Society who got killed when that Korean Airline flight 007 was shot down?

Uhh, yes. Though he is a rather interesting figure and was considering running for President in 1984.

That's not good...

Perhaps...

So what's the PoD then - does KAL 007 not get shot down or something?

Not entirely, no. You'll have to wait and see.

So when do you intend to start? How often will you update it?

I intend to start soon enough and update it every few days - it really depends on the interest in it and if I'm not suffering from some form of writer's block.

I suppose I'll let you get started.

Okay, hope you enjoy.
 
Shooting to Kill

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-Korean Airlines Flight 007-​


Korean Airlines Flight - Anchorage to Seoul

Larry McDonald stared out the circular window into the pitch black abyss that surrounded the aircraft on all sides. His head rested on the window as he tried to get some much needed sleep. The Korean Airlines flight was now heading on it’s way to Seoul where McDonald was due to attend a celebration of the 30th anniversary of the United States-South Korea Mutual Defense Treaty; along with Republican Senators Jesse Helms of North Carolina and Steve Symms of Idaho as well as fellow Democratic Congressman Carroll Hubbard of Kentucky.

McDonald had been virtually up for the past three days since his flight from Atlanta had been diverted from the JFK Airport in New York to Baltimore due to bad weather. When he had finally arrived in New York he missed his connection to South Korea by a mere two or three minutes. Over the next two days he waited for a Korean Airlines flight to take him and the other American Congressional Representatives to Seoul via Anchorage; he had opted to travel with the lower cost Korean Airlines compared to boarding a Pan Am Boeing 747 flight to Seoul.

Congressman Hubbard had eventually given up on the whole trip altogether as the delays mounted; in favour of a speaking engagement in Kentucky. The delegation eventually left from New York on Tuesday the 30th on two separate flights - McDonald went fifteen minutes ahead on KAL 007 while the two Republicans travelled on the later KAL 015 flight. The two flights landed in Anchorage for a refueling at around 11PM local time. During the one hour refueling, the passengers were allowed to leave the planes and wait in the main terminal of the airport.

During this time McDonald remained asleep onboard his flight in his 02B first class seat, get his first opportunity to rest in peace in nearly three days. That was until Senator Helms managed to arrive and invited McDonald to move onto his flight, KAL 015. McDonald at first told Helms to go away, wishing not to be disturbed; he eventually relented after Helms remained persistent in asking him to move and he reluctantly opted to change to Helms’ later flight. That decision was one that McDonald regretted once he found his way onto the other flight. Helms at first was talkative; but eventually nodded off to sleep after McDonald once again told Helms he didn’t want to be disturbed - he soon after began to snore rather loud, getting further on McDonald’s nerves.

McDonald continued to stare out the window into the dark abyss and wondered whether he would have been better traveling on KAL 007 - after all what was the worst that could happen?

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CBS News Headlines - 9th September, 1983

"...Here are today's other main news stories... - It has been reported that Senator Henry Jackson, the Washington Democrat, who not long ago gave a strong attack on the Soviet Union for their downing of the Korean Airliner, has had a massive heart attack and has been rushed to Providence Hospital in Everett, and... is reported to be in a serious, but stable condition there. - President Reagan has called an emergency meeting of his National Security Advisors to decide how to react to the apart Soviet Attack on a Korean Airlines Jumbo Jet. - And Members of Congress have reacted to out,- with outrage to words of... the incident. - Details on these stories and the rest of the news just ahead..."
 
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Preparing to take the Helm(s)

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-The controversial North Carolina Senator-​


Congressional Foodhall, Washington D.C.

The Congressional lunchroom was busy as usual at this time of day; full of Senators, Congressmen and aides who had all descended to this section of congress for a strangely bipartisan occasion. Democrats ate with Republicans from both sections of Congress - hell even Harry Byrd sometimes had someone to talk to when he was a Senator - though usually only when they wanted his vote. For Senator Jesse Helms it was no different, he was eating lunch with one of the few Democrats who wouldn’t give him dirty looks or radiate negative body language when he was near; Representative Larry McDonald of Georgia.

I’ll have the peas...” The Senator’s eyes darted from left to right to see what else was on offer, “...the mashed potatoes and... the lamb, please.” He tactically turned around to McDonald who was behind him the queue and was ordering; so as to avoid getting into pleasantries with the black cafeteria worker on the other side of the counter.

So Larry you said you had something you wanted to tell me.” The Georgia turned away from the counter as the worker scooped some pieces of meat onto his plate; his eyes darted around the room as if to see if anyone else was watching or listening to him and Senator Helms.

Uhh... yeah, I’ve have something rather big to announce.” His face lit up as he grinned as he spoke to Helms.

Oh - is Kathy,-” The Georgian shook his head knowing exactly what Helms was about to say, which made him chuckle.

Oh... no, nothing to do with her; it’s something to do with...” McDonald paused and once again looked around the room to see if anyone was watching or listening to their conversation. “I’ll tell you when we sit down.”

Helms sighed, rolled his eyes and walked towards the cashier as McDonald turned back to face the attendant who was standing with his lunch, waiting patiently to hand it to him. Helms stood with his plate of food resting upon a tray that he was precariously holding onto. While he waiting for McDonald he glanced at the various tables occupied by the good, the great and the not so good. Howard Baker, the Majority Leader and his Whip, Ted Stevens of Alaska were at a table at the far end of the room and were talking to two other individuals who were facing away from Helms and thus remained unidentifiable. Democratic Leader Bob Byrd and his Whip Alan Cranston of California were also lobbying other Senators on some upcoming vote - it looked like they were talking to Ed Zorinsky and David Boren - both western Democrats, but both rather conservative and potential swing votes on important legislation. Elsewhere the usual Senate lunch groups sat apart - Daniel Moynihan, the ‘neocon’ from New York who’d tossed Helms’ friend and Bill Buckley’s brother James out of the Senate back in ’76 - he was sitting with Senate Democrat Hawk-In Chief, Scoop Jackson. Jackson appeared to be wired to some device - most likely something to do with his heart, especially after he nearly died after the KAL-007 flight was downed. Other groups included, the Southern Republicans who Helms frequently ate with - today it included Strom Thurmond, Jeremiah Denton, Thad Cochran and Mack Mattingly; the liberal Democrats - headed as usual by that SOB Ted Kennedy; and the moderates such as Lowell Weicker and John Chafee who sat rather ironically in the middle of the room.

Jesse?” Helms snapped out of his trance and turned to face McDonald with a smile. McDonald reciprocated and gestured towards a table on the far end of the room not near any ears which could hear what he was about to say.

Well?” asked Helms as they sat down and tucked into his lunch.

I think I’m going to run.” Jesse Helms looked up from his plate at McDonald not sure if the Georgian was joking or not.

You’re joking... right?” queried the North Carolina Senator as he chewed on a forkful of peas that he had gotten from the cafeteria. The Democrat looked back at him with a serious expression that removed any sort of doubt from Helms’ mind that this was a joke of any kind.

I take it the American Independent Party, you know the one’s who ran John Rarick last time ‘round have approached you; like they did back in ’76?” McDonald looked up from his food after a pause that felt much longer than it really was and answered Helms.

Nope” McDonald responded as he dug into the mountain of mashed potato that look similar to the mountain of mashed potato that Richard Dreyfuss made in that Close Encounters of the Third Kind movie, or whatever it was called.

So... you’re running as a Democrat?” asked Helms as he chewed some lamb infused with thick gravy and mashed potato.

Yep.” Helms almost choked on the mouthful of food he had in his mouth.

You haven’t got a snow balls chance in hell of getting the nomination. The Democratic Party is now dominated by McGovernite Jew York liberals - you just aint got a chance. The last time a good conservative got nominated by the party was sixty years ago - and look what the liberals did then... They stabbed Davis in the back and supported the socialist LaFollete...

I know that - but who’s to say I can’t do well enough for the liberals and McGovernites to take notice - hell they might even give a concession or two!

...How the hell are you going to get the registered Democrats to vote for you? The liberals in the media and the DNC will tear you to pieces once they know what you really stand for.” McDonald’s eyes flickered and his mouth slowly extended to form a large grin.

That’s why I propose to run a campaign which is based on vague populist messages - rallying against the Rocke,- Wall Street fat cats - y’know something similar to Wallace; minus any baggage...

I don’t know, it seems rather risky - are you prepared to risk losing your seat in Congress to run this campaign. Talk about going out with a whimper...

I’m feeling reasonably confident that I can make a sizable dent and attacking the Rockefeller backed elites. Plus look at the sorts I’ll be running against,-

Like who?” cut in Helms as he sawed away at the lamb on the plate with his rather blunt knife.

Well... I know for certain that Mondale is going to run.” Helms guffawed.

Mondale!? The only thing he’s ever been elected to on his own is the Senator of a pile of snow!” McDonald sniggered at the remarks. Helms was right - Mondale had only been elected Vice President on Carter’s coattails - and even the only just.

Yeah - I’ve also heard that McGovern might try it again.” Helms burst out laughing as McDonald added,
...My thoughts entirely.

Helms eventually recovered from his laughing fit, “One other thing - what about a campaign team - d’you have campaign manager at all?” McDonald bit his lip as he looked down at his plate of half eaten and then back to Helms - all the while becoming rather flustered on how to respond to Helms.

Uhh... yeah... yeah, I’ve got one,” he lied; hoping he would convince the no nonsense North Carolinian. “I’m getting my team together as we speak.
Helms barely acknowledged this and continued to stare down at his plate as he gobbled away at the food on it.
Best of luck to you then Larry.

Thank you very much Jesse.

You’re going to need it...
 
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By 1984 the national democrat party was already too far gone for this to be possible.

Far more likely that he would switch parties and become Reagan's Second Term VP and then President in 1989 instead of 'Ice Pick' Bush.
 
By 1984 the national democrat party was already too far gone for this to be possible.

Far more likely that he would switch parties and become Reagan's Second Term VP and then President in 1989 instead of 'Ice Pick' Bush.

I'm under no illusions that it would be easy for McDonald to make any sort of mark let alone win.

As he told Ron Paul when Paul was running for Congress, it doesn't matter which party you run for - as they're (in his opinion) both the same - you should really only run in the one you can get far in. In this case it was the Democrats for McDonald due to the fact that the GOP were still in their infancy in the South (their only Congressman from Georgia as of 1983 was Newt Gingrich) - the Democrats were a much easier party to get elected from.

It would be (virtually) ASB for a turncoat Democrat (ironic) to replace Bush on the ticket - and a controversial one at that.
 
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I take it this is related to the infobox you posted a couple of days ago on the Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes thread?

Also, a couple of things:

1. The United States uses the MM/DD style for dates, so unless this was written from a non-American perspective, putting the date first is going to jump out at American readers.

2. I don't see how Scoop Jackson survived when the circumstances of his heart attack (and the shooting down of KAL-007) remain almost exactly the same as OTL.

Mondale!? The only thing he’s ever been elected to on his own is the Senator of a pile of snow!” McDonald sniggered at the remarks. Helms was right - Mondale had only been elected Vice President on Carter’s coattails - and even the only just.

I'd complain about Helms' assertion about the great state of Minnesota, but considering it was -16 Fahrenheit when I went to class today...:eek:

I like how McDonald doesn't realize that Helms' remark could be seen as swiping him as well since Mondale at least won election to represent a mid-sized state (albeit one that Helms doesn't like) while McDonald has only ever won election to a suburban House district in Georgia.
 
I take it this is related to the infobox you posted a couple of days ago on the Alternate Wikipedia Infoboxes thread?

Maybe :p Yes.

1. The United States uses the MM/DD style for dates, so unless this was written from a non-American perspective, putting the date first is going to jump out at American readers.

I know - it's just a force of habit.

2. I don't see how Scoop Jackson survived when the circumstances of his heart attack (and the shooting down of KAL-007) remain almost exactly the same as OTL.

It's a slight butterfly that McDonald doesn't perish - but I just couldn't resist the opportunity to have Scoop live for a little longer.

I'd complain about Helms' assertion about the great state of Minnesota, but considering it was -16 Fahrenheit when I went to class today...:eek:

Minnesota's great -I've nothing against ! It produced Hubert Humphrey and indirectly produced Fargo (of which I'm an addict) - I'm eternally grateful in those regards.

I like how McDonald doesn't realize that Helms' remark could be seen as swiping him as well since Mondale at least won election to represent a mid-sized state (albeit one that Helms doesn't like) while McDonald has only ever won election to a suburban House district in Georgia.

Perhaps he considers getting elected to a suburban House district in Georgia is virtually the same as Senator for a that giant pile of snow? :D
 
One of the biggest changes I can see is McDonald having just enough of an effect that Gary Hart ends up winning. Mondale narrowly won Georgia OTL.
 
I only learned about McDonald when you made that wikibox, so I can't say I have any grounding here, but I'm intrigued with where you're going to take this. He certainly sounds like a... character.

By 1984 the national democrat party was already too far gone for this to be possible.

All the timeline has shown so far is McDonald entering the primaries, which he apparently was considering IOTL before his death. So it checks out.

If you mean it's not possible for him to win, I'm right there with you, but I don't think that's the direction we're headed in (not based off Gonzo's wikibox, anyway).
 
Down in the Blues

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-Lee Atwater, the South Carolina whizkid political operative; now looking for alternative sources of employment-​


The White House D.C.

It’s all over Lee, get the fuck out.

What!?” Atwater looked up from his desk at his senior, Ed Rollins who had stormed into his office enraged with a large vein throbbing on the side of his head and had started threatening and cursing at Atwater moments before.

You’re fired.” Lee Atwater gulped and closed his eyes as he tried to think, then he open them up again and stared back at Rollins who was clearly enjoying every minute of this, despite clearly being furious at Atwater.

Excuse me?” Atwater asked, stunned by how Rollins had seemingly sprung this upon him out of the blue and how rude he was being to him. To the man who had saved Reagan’s campaign in 1980 by winning him the South Carolina Primary and practically half of the Gipper’s primaries... the cheek of it!

You’re fired, you’re being let off, you’re being let go off - whatever way you want to spin it. Lee you’re fired - pure and simple,” Rollins said, “the President and the rest of us thank you for your work in 1980 and the years since, but now we believe the time for you to go is now.” Atwater closed his eyes and clenched his fists hard by his sides. In his head many emotions were present - rage, fear, embarrassment, anger - all fighting for dominance in his head.

Wait but... but...” Rollins crossed his arms and shook his head.

I’m going to be honest with you Lee, we know perfectly well you’re not a PHD candidate or any of the bullshit you claim to be.

But...” Rollins waived his hand to tell Atwater to be quiet and to listen. “I also have come to know that you’ve been trying to fuck me over for the best part of over a year now - and that won’t do, especially going into a Presidential Election year.”

He continued, “Look Lee I like you,-.
Atwater’s face contorted and his left eye twitched at those words, causing Rollins to have a change of approach. “My suggestion to you know is to not be a bitch about it and simply go and lay low for a bit - there are a fuckload of Congressional races coming up - perhaps Thurmond will have you back?

Atwater considered this point for a few seconds - he’d first gotten into politics as an intern for the long serving South Carolina Senator back at the start of the seventies. However anything which wasn’t involved with national politics was a step down for Atwater - he couldn’t bear to go back to his native South Carolina - especially considering he’d moved his wife and the kids up here to D.C. only a few years ago.

Look Lee what I’m basically saying is fuck off now while you’ve still got some dignity - if you don’t get out of here soon, I’m going to have to haul your ass out and get you the fuck out of here.” Rollins exited with a weak smile, while Atwater stood still with his mouth hanging open in shock; his left eye began to twitch as Rollins closed the door.

Shit! Fuck! Fuck!” screamed Atwater several times, jumping up and down on the floor as he hurled a stapler at the door which shuddered with a loud thump when it hit the door. Atwater instantly froze in embarrassment and terror at the though of Rollins or someone else hearing his outburst. Then the rage in his head took over - he didn’t care what Rollins or any of the other bastards in here thought.

He packed up his stuff in the office, all the while muttering profanities under his breath, and walked out of the building; always maintaining sight of his feet - so as not to make eye contact with anyone else in the building.

Outside he plopped the cardboard box that he’d been given by Rollins, which contained all his possessions on the side of the pavement as he sat down on the bench beside it.

‘Think Lee, think!’ the thought to himself - trying desperately to dispel the thoughts of anger and violence from his mind; he would never get anything done in that frame on mind. After a while of sitting there on the bench, keeping a watchful eye over his possessions in the ragged cardboard box; he had an idea.
Standing up he hailed a taxi - he knew exactly what to do.

Where to sir?” asked the taxi driver, a neatly dressed middle aged black man who's dark rimmed glasses wouldn't have looked out of place on Donald Rumsfeld's face.

The Capitol Mall area, please.” Atwater smirked - he knew exactly who he had to meet.

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Congressional Foodhall, Washington D.C.

So,” continued Senator Strom Thurmond and he chewed on the forkful of steak pie that he had just impaled on the end of his fork, “I was approached by a former intern of mine... Atwater, Lee Atwater, y’know him?

Don’t tell me...” said Jesse Helms as he taped his finger on the table with increasing ferocity, trying to remember where he had heard the name before, “...oh... wasn’t he that hack who killed Connally's nomination chances in your neck of the woods’ primary last time?

Yup,” replied the South Carolinian, his mouth full again with another piece of steak pie. “He had been working for the White House.

Had you say.” Thurmond nodded in acknowledgement of the point as he swallowed the next piece of pie.

Yeah, he was fired not long ago.

Fired? Whatever the devil for - don’t they remember he was very useful in winning the primaries last time around?

He said it was something to do with his superior, Hollins, Rollins, or whatever his name is, feeling threatened by the great work he was doing.” Helms grunted something inaudible as he swallowed his a large gulp of water. “He is an amazing lad; after all I pulled a lot of strings to get Reagan to let him have a job back after the election.”

D’you think Reagan had something to do with it?

I doubt it - it’s not really the sort of thing that he’d do - probably by someone lower down who had a vendetta against the poor kid.” Helms once again grunted something, this time it was some roast potato that made it inaudible to Thurmond.

What exactly did he want?” asked Senator Jeremiah Denton of Alabama, who had up until now been sitting quietly, listening to the conversation while he ate his lunch.

He was looking for a job,” Thurmond took a sip from his cup of white coffee, “unfortunately, I... didn’t have one to offer him - it’s a real shame.” Helms looked up from his plate a stared at Thurmond, then Denton, then back to Thurmond.

Remember I was talking there about McDonald before?” Thurmond paused and looked off as if he was trying to recall what had been discussed at the start of lunch.

Yeah,” cut in Denton, trying to take the pressure of Thurmond while he remember about McDonald. “I think I might have an idea for a job for your Atwater fellow,” Helms began, “you see, I don’t really think he’s got a team together, at least it wasn’t the message he was sending out to me before. I think he could use someone like Atwater.

I suppose that could work - I mean Lee couldn't really do any worse. Plus McDonald, he’s the good conservative one in the House, right?” Helms nodded in confirmation, “he could give the liberals a good kick up the arse in the party. Though what if he provides an actual challenge to Reagan?

Nah, he hasn’t got a snowballs chance in Mississippi of getting elected - still I think we should help out a friend and common sense Democrat out the best we can.

True I suppose,” Thurmond conceded, “I’ll put him in touch with you to see McDonald.” Helms nodded in concurrence.
 
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