Tabacalera Muerte

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by kasumigenx, Sep 27, 2019.

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  1. Threadmarks: Preface

    kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    Tabacalera Muerte

    Preface
    This TL explores the scenario of the Spanish Tabacco Monopoly failing due to the Pagans surviving and thriving, this is another version of my TL the Silent Revolt but more focused on the area I specified.

    This is basically another version of the Silent Revolt and Carolinian Folly..so the continuation of those TLs is this TL..
     
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  2. Threadmarks: Infidel Recovery

    kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    Infidel Recovery

    On the mid 18th century after the famine in the late 17th century and the eruption of Taal, the Pagan and Crypto Muslim populations in Luzon would start to flourish again, the Pagans would be said to dominate the Upper Reaches of the Cagayan and Pampanga river watersheds and the population of the Lower Cagayan river watersheds and Lower Pampanga river watersheds and Lower Agno watersheds would be lessened by the earlier famine, in the case of Cagayan the decimation of the Irraya and the case of Pampanga it would be the case of the natives of Tondo and Bulacan.

    The Taal volcano would spew Ash on the lands of Kumintang destroying the ports of Kumintang and the Pansipit.

    The Spanish would not feel the death toll of their loyal supporters on the Island, the Pagans would recover from the famine in the 17th to early 18th century and the Spanish would not know what would happen with the land that they are in until it was too late, the Pagans don’t acknowledge the Spanish.

    On Kumintang repeated revolts would happen and there would be both Crypto Muslim population in Kumintang which would recover from the Famine and they would recover and are still existing in the present day.

    During that time the Spanish under Charles III would have issues against Napoleon as Napoleon would have tried to attack Spain, the Spanish led by Charles III would not seem to notice that parts of Luzon that they are occupying are now lessen in the Northern half of that Island, the Spanish would have issues in the South but they would have issues in the North as well.
     
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  3. Threadmarks: Pagan revival

    kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    Pagan revival

    On the latter part of the late 18th century the Pagans would start to replace the population that have been decimated by the prior famine in the Agno, Cagayan and Pampanga basin further destroying the plans of the Spanish in their area in the early 19th century they would have replaced the decimated populations in the Agno, Cagayan and Pampanga river basins and due to that, the Spanish are more disadvantaged in their rule in Luzon or Saludong.

    The Pagans in Luzon or rather Saludong would not recognize the Spanish and the Spanish would have lost their control in the farmlands in Upper Cagayan and Upper Pampanga as the Pagans would have attacked the Spanish and it did not help that the Christians in the areas are less loyal to the Spanish.

    During the time when Pagans became the majority of the Middle of Cagayan Basin and Pampanga basin was the time when Novales Revolt and Basi revolts happened and the Pagans being numerous would have meant that the Spanish controlling Luzon would have been a net loss to the Spanish.
     
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  4. Simeon La empresa crecerá más grande

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    Pagan northern Luzon just before the Spanish came, Pagan northern Luzon resisting in the 16th... but Pagan northern Luzon crystallising in the 19th century?

    Mark me interested. Hope you’d insert more individuals, though.
     
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  5. kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    The POD involves of the Pagans not having their famine in the late 18th to 20th century, of course this involves not just northern but southern luzon as well...since I will be keeping both the Pagans in Northern Luzon and the CryptoMuslims in Batangas flourish..

    Northern Luzon in 16th-century resisting is basically a Majapahit Soisson Domain in Luzon OR Trebisond..the Island was divided into the Bruneians and the supporters of the old Majapahit Empire which included scions of the Bruneian Sultan and the Majapahit Emperors themselves after Tondo was sacked....it is an unclear POD because of lack of Documentation although having Dayang Kaylangitan not marry the son of the Bruneian Empire and herself fight of the Bruneians or her father win against the Bruneians is a clear POD itself which is in the last decades of the 15th century.
    @Gintoki Sakata
     
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  6. Threadmarks: The Inevitable End

    kasumigenx Well-Known Member

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    The Inevitable End

    Due to the weakening rule of the Spanish due to the resurgence of the Pagans the Silang-Palaris revolt supporters would gradually form a secret government which would be at one point be led by Francisco Balagtas in Luzon or Saludong for the Christians no longer believing in the Spanish rule, Francisco Balagtas is a descendant of the Majapahit Emperor via Empress Sasaban, this would be a secret government that would be revealed later on, they would have called their country as Katagalugan or Saludong.

    The Novales Revolt and the Basi revolt would have rattled the already weak Spanish government, which would have caused the Spanish to heighten their security in the area that they have loyal supporters and the Spanish would have loyal supporters in the Ilocos area where in the Tabacco Monopoly would have flourished but the Pagans now flourishing would have done a death knell to the Spanish rule in the Island.

    The Chaos in Luzon or Saludong and the failure of the Tabacco Monopoly would have forced the Spanish under Ferdinand VII to bow to the Inevitable, it has been discussed for a long time about the sale of the Philippines for the British but the Spanish would want to sell or cede only Luzon or Saludong to British as the Spanish, the Spanish would have Ceded Luzon to the British in 1830, under the reign of Queen Charlotte of Great Britain, Queen Charlotte would have given both the Pagans and Christians rights and the other Christians aside from Ilocanos would gradually convert to Anglicanism, Queen Charlotte would have assumed the title “Queen of the Tagalogs” as one of her titles to appease her new subjects and began to dissolve the secret government led by Francisco Balagtas as they have come to completely reveal themselves by this point.


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    note: the term Tagalog was used to refer to the People of Luzon and the people of Katipunan state this is term is a homophone of a tribal name.
    https://www.batangashistory.date/2018/03/tagalog.html

    I decided to maintain Queen Charlotte as the Monarch as I planned initially, I wanted Brooke to purchase Luzon from the Spanish but that is Implausible.
     
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