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"Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to this schedule"​

Who will talk about the consequences of the successful Peace of Sixtus and, consequently, the surviving Austria-Hungary from the First World War​

I'm going to try to make it interesting while keeping it somewhat realistic and I'd like you to help me make this schedule a lot better.​

I apologize in advance for any spelling errors as English is not my first language​

"I leave you with the story"​

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Chapter One

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chapter one :the crown

(unter Anwendung meines ganz persönlichen Einflusses bei meinen Verbündeten die gerechten Rückforderungsansprüche Frankreichs mit Bezug auf Elsaß-Lothringen unterstützen werde“)​


emperor karl about alsace and lorraine 1917

The ancient Habsburg Empire had entered its fourth year in the First World War, when the old edifice began to crumble severely due to the Russian and Italian attacks on them.


Besides the war was beginning to reach infinity, although the Russian February Revolution


Which led to the abdication of Tsar Nicholas II from the throne and succeeded by his brother, who agreed to the throne,
Michael II, who intends to make peace with central power

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gave some hope to the Central Powers of victory, it became increasingly unpopular.


At that time the Emperor of Austria and the Apostolic King of Hungary, Charles I and IV, was weary of the length of the war and saddened by the fact that his people were suffering from the grinding pain of war.


He had been trying to make peace from the first day of his coronation as emperor


Therefore, by agreement with his wife, Empress Zita, and through his daughter-in-law, Princes Sixtus, Duke of Parma, and his brother Xavier, who were fighting on the side of the Entente as members of the Belgian armed forces.
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and along with others such as the distinguished Polish writer Jozef Retinger in order to help mediate between Austria and the Entente


The Minister for Foreign Affairs, Count Ottokar Tshrin, had fallen ill with tuberculosis, so he resigned for reasons of health. As a result, the moderate Count Stefan Borian von Rajetz was reinstated as Foreign Minister by order of the Emperor.


The latter did not know about the details of peace, but she supported major things


1- Alsace and Lorraine will be unquestionably French, and Austria will recognize it as a legal French territory.


2 - The independence and territorial integrity of the Kingdom of Serbia will be guaranteed (it will be discussed in more detail during the conference)



3- The independence of the Kingdom of Belgium will be guaranteed by the Treaty of London 1830 (Austria is one of the signatories)


The government had already prepared with political and economic reforms, the reopening of the civilian economy, with written declarations announcing the return of soldiers, and the announcement of new elections in the Hungarian and Austrian kingdoms.


With everything looks ready


(it seemed to work)


The two princes sent a letter from the Emperor to French President Raymond Poincaré and King George V of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland regarding the Austrian Emperor's attempt to make a separate treaty


Despite Poincare's cold but increasingly marginalized position, his prime minister, Georgios Clemenceau, was deeply interested in peace with Austria, because, in his opinion, the position of the Germans was greatly weakened.


Therefore, the French Foreign Minister, Louis Barthod, was used to interview Count Ragit about the treaty


As for the United Kingdom, King George was particularly affected by the message, and through Lloyd George, the Minister of Foreign Affairs was dispatched

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In Geneva, Switzerland, where the governments of the Concord met, where Balfour and Bartho, for example, the governments of the United Kingdom and France, while von Rajetz, like the government of Austria, and Luigi Luzzati also attended, representing the government of the Kingdom of Italy


The beginning of the conference was somewhat controversial, as the Italian delegation was making unreasonable demands on the Austrian side, such as claiming Dalmatia and Trieste with half the arms of the Austrian army


And he would have ruined the whole thing had it not been for the intervention of France and the United Kingdom


But in the end, the Austrian side was reassured, as the Entente gave guarantees to Austria that their unity and support for a united Austria would be guaranteed.


So the Austrians were forced to hear the terms of the Entente and they were the same as they expected, except that they would have to cede only Trento, Gorizia, Tyrol and Bologna to Italy.


With everything back to pre-war condition


Hearing the relatively moderate conditions, but with the loss of some lands, they decided to swallow the bitter pill and


They reluctantly agreed to the terms of the accord


In the end, the peace treaty known as the Treaty of Geneva was signed, which led to the official exit of the Austro-Hungarian Empire from the Great War.


So, Austria is officially out of the war ...

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Bologna is in Emilia-Romagna and has been part of the Kingdom of Italy for more than 50 years at this point, the original problem of the Sixtus proposal was that A-H wanted to give to Italy basically zero and Tyrol is a german speaking zone, hard to see Wien giving that up...let's say that the Hapsburg were very generous with things that weren't theirs but not very much when it was them doing the sacrifice.

By the end and with some strongarm Italy can accept what was basically the terms to remain neutral in OTL...but with tweak
- the border in Trentino (that will include the Ladin speaking one) will be more favorable to Italy in defense term as originally Austria kept control of some strategic point
- the border in Friuli extend to the Isonzo and a triangle that start from Gorizia and end to Monfalcone
- control of Albania
- something to make the deal more sweet like preferential treatment and price for the use of the ports of Trieste and Fiume and for the canal of Suez, a cut of the italian debt...even because the entente must also convince Italy to continue to fight at their side as now not only lack any real reason to continue except for some token unit but i doubt that relations with Paris and London are really good
 
Chapter TWO

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chapter ii the knife​

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austro-hungarian map adfter peace with entente

"Diese verräterischen Österreicher sind keine Deutschen und werden es auch nie sein, sie und diese habsburgische Viper."​


Kaiser Wilhelm II

expresses his anger at the peace treaties between Austria and the Entente
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kaiser Wilhelm II

The peace treaty between Austria and the Entente did not go well with the Germans, as many angry debates broke out in the Reichstag regarding its so-called "treacherous Austria" and outside the government.


And it got worse when the Austrian ambassador was expelled from Germany and Germany announced the severance of relations with Austria-Hungary, and there were rumors of a possible German-backed coup that went nowhere.



But the irony is that the exit of Austria gave the Germans an advantage and a disadvantage, as with the exit of the Germans from Austrian lands, it led to reduce the heavy burden that the Austrians were putting up, so they began plans to carry out attacks to destroy France
And Russia, but led to the face of the grim reality that they will have to face the Russian Imperial Army



(And this time with his forces as a whole and not part of it) Add to this that the Ottomans and the Bulgarians with the exit of Austria became cut off from German supplies as a result of which the central powers became separated from each other



So the Bulgarians made a separate peace treaty with the Entente at Neuilly-sur-Seine, where the Bulgarians were forced to lose the Aegean coast to the Greeks, while their borders with Serbia returned to pre-war and because of the Bulgarian losses the Tsar was forced
Ferdinand I to abdicate to his son Boris, Prince of Tarnovo, who was crowned as Boris III

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tsar Boris III

Besides Bulgaria, the war within the Ottoman Empire was increasingly unpopular, especially because of the extreme incompetence that characterized the performance of the three pashas. As a result, some units marched.
The military forces of the Ottoman army arrested Anwar Pasha, Mohammed Talaat Pasha and Ahmed Jamal Pasha on the order of Sultan mehmet v, who was tired of the bad situation that plagued the empire.

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mehmet v

As a result, in a letter written personally by Sultan Mehmed V to the American Embassy in Constantinople, he agreed to the offer of American mediation led by the former American ambassador to the Sublime Porte.
Henry Morgenthau, father, judge and representative of the Ministry of War, Felix Frankfurter between the Entente Powers and the Ottoman Empire


In contrast to the moderate conditions towards the Austrians, the conditions were relatively harsh towards the Ottomans, but despite the Armenian atrocities and the bad record associated with the Ottomans
The Americans decided to act as a neutral mediator and in the end the treaty was written and stipulated the following:


1- The empire will lose all its Arab lands with the empire recognizing them as independent states
2- The Ottoman Empire will admit guilt for the Armenian Genocide and compensate the victims
3- The straits will be opened and internationalized, and the Ottoman government cannot act towards the strait as they want until after a hundred years have passed since the treaty

4- He will impose financial compensation on the empire


The treaty was signed in Vienna, the capital of the Austrian Empire, and the Ottomans accepted it very reluctantly, realizing that if they refused, the situation would be much worse.
And I witnessed the presence of the Russian delegation, which pressured the opening of the straits in order to relieve pressure on the Russian economy

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From this moment onwards the Ottoman Empire and the Kingdom of Bulgaria were officially out of the war and the Germans were left on their own as the margin of victory seemed increasingly narrow.


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تقع بولونيا في إميليا رومانيا وكانت جزءًا من مملكة إيطاليا لأكثر من 50 عامًا في هذه المرحلة ، وكانت المشكلة الأصلية لاقتراح Sixtus هي أن AH أراد أن يعطي لإيطاليا صفرًا بشكل أساسي وأن Tyrol هي منطقة تتحدث الألمانية ، صعبة لرؤية Wien تتخلى عن ذلك ... دعنا نقول أن Hapsburg كانت كريمة جدًا بأشياء لم تكن ملكهم ولكن ليس كثيرًا عندما كانوا يقومون بالتضحية.

في النهاية ومع بعض القوة القوية ، يمكن لإيطاليا أن تقبل ما كان أساسًا شروط البقاء محايدة في OTL ... ولكن مع التعديل
- ستكون الحدود في ترينتينو (التي ستشمل الشخص الذي يتحدث لادن) أكثر ملاءمة لإيطاليا في مصطلح الدفاع حيث احتفظت النمسا في الأصل بالسيطرة على بعض النقاط الاستراتيجية
- الحدود في فريولي تمتد إلى Isonzo والمثلث الذي يبدأ من Gorizia وينتهي إلى Monfalcone
- السيطرة على ألبانيا
- شيء يجعل الصفقة أكثر حلاوة مثل المعاملة التفضيلية والسعر لاستخدام موانئ تريست وفيوم ولقناة السويس ، قطع الدين الإيطالي ... حتى لأن الوفاق يجب أن يقنع إيطاليا أيضًا بالاستمرار في القتال إلى جانبهم لأن الآن لا يفتقر فقط إلى أي سبب حقيقي للاستمرار باستثناء بعض الوحدات الرمزية ولكني أشك في أن العلاقات مع باريس ولندن جيدة حقًا
you are right


Therefore, the Entente convinces Austria of a simple loss in Italian lands in exchange for guaranteeing their unity


(Here, Austria will seek peace at any cost, and they will reluctantly accept to give something to Italy, but they will not agree to give anything to Serbia, so they will swallow their pride and give Italian lands to Italy, except for Trieste)


France and Britain were in fact very interested in peace with Austria and could persuade Italy to moderate


(Clemenceau was very interested in the matter and King George V was particularly affected by Karl's attempt and even personally ordered British intelligence to rescue him when the Austrian Empire collapsed)


But here Karl will realize that he has to give something (so he will see that the option of giving some land to Italy is the least bad option)
 
chapter iii

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Chapter Three: Transformation, End and Peace​


The situation of the German Empire was so bad that all its allies had left the war and became isolated, although it gave them an advantage in that the fronts on which they had to support were reduced or concentrated.


Although it improved the situation of their enemies more, especially the Russians, as with their withdrawal from Austria they began to transfer the Russian units to the German lands.


But the situation of the Entente improved further, as with the end of the Balkan Front, the Middle East and Africa, the British forces began to transfer their armies to French territory.


In Austria, after the end of the war, Karl gained initial popularity because he ended the war and returned the soldiers to their families.


Later, Heinrich Lamash and Mihaly Karolyi were declared prime ministers of both sides of the empire
With the announcement of the new reforms prepared by the Emperor, as well as the dissolution of the parliaments of Hungary and Austria to prepare for elections

Although the noble classes, especially the Hungarians, were not so impressed by this that there were rumors of preparations for a Hungarian rebellion backed by the German Empire
But the Imperial Chief of Staff, Arthur Arz von Straussburg, secretly informed the Emperor of this, so he authorized him to arrest all persons considered a potential threat.
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Arthur Arz von Straussburg

After these measures, things went smoothly, but the outcome of the elections was unexpected, as the socialist parties won the elections

So Emperor Karl offered
The Social Democratic politician Karl Renner became prime minister of the monarchy, as the candidate accepted the position, thus beginning the period of Socialist rule of the dual monarchy.
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Karl Renner new prime minster of the empire

As for Russia, after the February Revolution and the departure of Nicholas II and his family to Austria, where their permanent exile became, as they would not return to Russia.

A government headed by Czar Michael II was formed with Prince Lvov as prime minister, encouraged by the exit of Austria.

Russia began to consider making a separate treaty with
The Germans and for this reason Lvov began to contact the Germans to find out the terms and in agreement with the Duma and the Tsar

They decided that if the terms were moderate, then they would agree to peace, despite the anger of some generals and Minister of War Kresinski that now they could use their entire army against the Germans.

But at the request of Lvov, the Tsar convinced them that he
Even if they could finally use their full army, yet they had no chance against the Germans, so they had to at least win the peace, even if they lost the war, so it was agreed that the peace would be signed.

Through Sweden, as a neutral country, the German and Russian governments communicated to find out the terms of peace, and they were as follows


1- The Russians will lose Poland and Lithuania, and they will become independent kingdoms
2- The Russians will lose Bessarabia to the Kingdom of Romania
3- It will be agreed to give the Germans preferential trade treatment and to buy Russian agricultural exports at a reduced price to the Germans, with relatively huge compensation payments.


The Russians accepted the treaty, especially since the aforementioned lands were not ethnically Russian. As a result, the Stockholm Treaty was signed
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declaring the Russian Empire’s exit from the war.


The Russians happily received the news of the exit from the war and restored some prestige to the monarchy, even though the socialists (including the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks) were calling for a revolution and the overthrow of tsarism.


After this, it was decided that Wilhelm Karl, Duke of Urach, would become King of Lithuania under the name Mindogas II of Lithuania, while it was decided that Poland would be a kingdom with Prince Ernst Heinrich of Saxony as augstus iv King of Poland.

As for Germany, despite their victory in the eastern front

However, the situation in the West was not good, as with the exit of the Ottomans, the Bulgarians and the Austrians from the war, the Concord began to focus on the Germans.

This led to the Battle of Arras, in which the French succeeded in pushing the Germans to the border


The victory also led to the Neville attack, which was a great and decisive success for the Entente. The number of German casualties was very large, and among the victims were Eric Ludendorff and Prince Wilhelm, the German Crown Prince.

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Prince Wilhelm, the German Crown Prince. (1882-1917)

, Emperor Wilhelm II was devastated and deeply saddened by the death of his son, and Heidenburg was sacked due to this disaster.


The Kaiser began in earnest to try to make peace at any cost as he seemed to realize that there was no hope of a German victory, and at least if he lost, he would at least try to keep Germany in the sun and be proud of it.


That is why the emperor gave Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann-Holwig the absolute hand to try for peace, as the German government began
In an attempt to communicate with the reconciliation governments and make an offer they could not refuse, it stipulated the following:


Alsace and Lorraine will be returned to France

Germany will withdraw from Belgium and guarantee its independence

and signed a treaty with the United Kingdom relating to the navy

, but it will be under conditions in which the German position is strong, namely:


1-The return of parts of the German colonial empire with the Germans obtaining some other colonies while accepting the loss of some to the Entente
2- The forces of reconciliation will recognize and accept the German gains on the eastern front of the war
3- France is prohibited, if Alsace-Lorraine is restored, arming it or building any military fortresses there for a period of not less than thirty years, as well as prohibiting the Germans from building any military fortresses for the same period

4- Germany will accept the other gains of reconciliation

5- France shall not receive any compensation from Germany in return for Germany's recognition of the final cession of Alsace-Lorraine and any claims to these territories.

The treaty was somewhat generous compared to what the British and the French expected, so the French and British delegations met with the Reich delegations at Versailles, and after discussions the following was agreed upon.

1- Germany would cede Alsace-Lorraine to France without Germany paying any compensation to the French and preventing the French and Germans from building defenses there for thirty years.


2- Germany will withdraw from Belgium and its unity and territorial integrity will be preserved, with compensation being paid to the Belgians.


3- The Germans will regain German East Africa, and Cameroon and will gain Belgian Congo and French Gabon.
In return for giving up German East West Africa and parts of the Belgian Congo and German Guinea to the British, and Togo to the French


4- The Imperial German Sea Fleet will be reduced by agreement to be determined by both the British and German governments
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Thus, officially the Great War ended in a tie and in a negotiated peace, but with honorable gains for entente and the Germans, and no one knows whether it will be peace or just a truce.

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Sorry but with the Germans out of the France and without any single ally, they will not receive any treaty like that as it seem they had win, not with the blockade still going, they can kiss goodbye to their empire and France will not accept to not put forttres in A-L, not after this war
 

ahmedali

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Sorry but with the Germans out of the France and without any single ally, they will not receive any treaty like that as it seem they had win, not with the blockade still going, they can kiss goodbye to their empire and France will not accept to not put forttres in A-L, not after this war
Do not forget that Germany ended the Eastern Front early and returned all the other armies to the mainland.


And most important of all, it did not get out of Belgium (and this in itself is a very strong card that the Germans can play if they play it well).


Also, this is a negotiated peace, and the British and French know that without the other Central Powers, the Germans can reclaim all their gains.


If you look at the German colonial empire with the exception of East Africa, which was protected by Leto von Voorbeck


Most of the empire is gone, the Germans can withdraw from Belgium in exchange for the Congo and return Cameroon because France has occupied it, and the Germans can exchange their colonies with the British


(Namibia, Guinea, and parts of the Belgian Congo, reducing the navy to the British, Togo, Alsace and Lorraine for the French, in exchange for Kenya, Uganda, Gabon and Congo for the Germans is not a bad deal)


Add to this the fact that this peace is due to the fact that Kaiser Wilhelm was subjected to a strong shock that made him a person more aware of reality
 
Do not forget that Germany ended the Eastern Front early and returned all the other armies to the mainland.
yes but now there is no other front that distract the Anglo-French and the blockade is wreaking havoc on the country plus it's very probable that they are using part of that colonies to bribe Italy to lend men.
Congo is a too valuable colony to giving up this way as all the rest and frankly Germany is in no position to demand anything, just keeping what obtained in the est is a miracle...the French have suffered atrociously and they just obtained just A-L and ruined the relations with Italy for too little.
No, they will ask all the colonial empire...and frankly Berlin will give up in the end and when the German will ask that they don't build fortification they will laught (that's too big, it's doable only if the German do the same on their border for the same time)
As it written the english and french delegation will be covered in tar and feather once they get back home as it leave Germany and A-H too strong and the entente too weak in the end, a treaty like that is like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
 

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yes but now there is no other front that distract the Anglo-French and the blockade is wreaking havoc on the country plus it's very probable that they are using part of that colonies to bribe Italy to lend men.
Congo is a too valuable colony to giving up this way as all the rest and frankly Germany is in no position to demand anything, just keeping what obtained in the est is a miracle...the French have suffered atrociously and they just obtained just A-L and ruined the relations with Italy for too little.
No, they will ask all the colonial empire...and frankly Berlin will give up in the end and when the German will ask that they don't build fortification they will laught (that's too big, it's doable only if the German do the same on their border for the same time)
As it written the english and french delegation will be covered in tar and feather once they get back home as it leave Germany and A-H too strong and the entente too weak in the end, a treaty like that is like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
True, but the siege now does not benefit entente at the moment

(The Germans, under their peace treaty with Russia, could import what they needed, especially food and agricultural materials, to feed the soldiers and keep the home front stable and preferentially, so the Royal Navy's blockade in this case is useless.)


So the Germans are still in pretty good shape and can prolong the war until 1919


Add that before the peace was offered it was widely believed that Germany would probably be able to recover their lost gains if their forces were rearranged.



And here is where the stakes are, as the French will do anything to preserve Alsace and Lorraine (and even prepare to give the Germans colonial lands) so this will benefit the Germans.



Belgium is still occupied by the Germans



The British would prefer the German Congo to seeing the High Seas Fleet anchored in Antwerp, which is the worst nightmare of the British.



The Germans can create a rift between the French and the British, as they offer France the return of Alsace and Lorraine in exchange for the annexation of Belgium, so Belgium is still a useful advantage for the Germans



(But the Germans will not take the whole of the Congo because Katanga, a very valuable and very rich land, will be for the British in exchange for the concessions of Kenya and Uganda.)



Italy, of course, is still angry, but they still hope to win something (and will have interesting events in the next chapter)



Austria is not strong, it is in the worst possible situation



(They have barely avoided collapse and all their neighbors are very angry with them and have barely avoided civil war so they are in a similar, if not worse, situation to Poland during the interwar period.)


Germany has become weaker with their loss to Alsace and Lorraine
 
Chapter Four

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Chapter Four: Quiet Contracts and Silent Fires​



The Great War officially ended with mixed results, as it was a victory for some and a loss for others


As for the Entente, it was a victory, and for the Central Powers, only the Austrians and the Germans won


Where Russia, the Ottoman Empire, Bulgaria and especially Italy were the biggest losers of the war, while Germany and France were the biggest winners


A year after the empire emerged from the war, Sultan Mehmed V, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, died at the age of seventy-five, and his funeral was held in Constantinople, which was attended by Ottoman and foreign delegations.


Among the foreign rulers who attended the funeral were Emperor Karl Habsburg and Kaiser Wilhelm II (the two publicly avoided each other)

Besides them are King George V, Greek King George II, Bulgarian Tsar Boris III, Russian Michael II, Shah of Iran Ahmad Shah Qajar, Egyptian Sultan Fuad I and King Vittorio Emmanuel III
And the ruler of Nizam Hyderabad Othman Ali Khan and the rest of the Indian Muslim princes to pay their respects to the Caliph


He was succeeded by Sultan Muhammad V, whose reign witnessed the rise of Mustafa Kemal Pasha to the position of Grand Vizier, as he began to modernize the empire and make it a modern state.

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Mustafa Kemal Pasha​


Although some of his controversial measures were resisted by the faction
The governor within the government, especially the change of language and the veil

Mustafa Kemal's reign will continue until his death in 1938 during the reign of Sultan Abdul Majeed II

In the Middle East, the United Kingdom seized all the remnants of the Ottoman Empire, as a British mandate was formed over Iraq, which was turned into a Hashemite kingdom after the 1920 revolution.

And the coronation of Prince Abdullah, son of the ruler of Mecca, Hussein bin Ali, under the name Abdullah I, King of Iraq

A mandate over Syria, where his brother Faisal became king of Syria under the name Faisal I, on the condition that he promised autonomy to the Jews inside Syria

This is something that Faisal pledged to Herzl, the founder of Zionism, and Chaim Weizmann

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Abdullah I, King of Iraq and Faisal I of syira​


With the recognition of the Ottoman Empire

As for France, it took control of the Syrian coastal lands, forming the state of Greater Lebanon, the Alawite state, and the state of Alexandretta, which was deliberately separated from Syria.

As for Egypt, it gained its independence from Britain with Sultan Fuad. He became king under the name of Fuad I, King of Egypt, in addition to granting Egypt control over Sudan.

Although the country in general remained under the influence of the United Kingdom

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Fuad I, King of Egypt​


In Iberia King Alfonso XIII died of influenza and was succeeded by his son Jaime under his name Jaime IV and became the first king to design and make matters worse in Spain, where the country was very unstable


In its neighbor Portugal, the monarchy was restored with Manuel II again as King of Portugal after entering the royal units stationed in the north with German-British support in Lisbon


In France, the celebrations were great for the reunion with Alsace and Lorraine and their liberation from the Germans, although this led indirectly to a slow, if steady, improvement in relations with Germany.



The year 1923 was a pivotal year in the history of Austria, when Emperor Karl declared the end of the dual monarchy and the formation of the Great Austrian United States, and the twenty-fourth of August was declared a national day


Everyone celebrated that day, when all races were finally able to obtain their rights and obtain equality according to the principles of Austrian Marxism developed by Chancellor Rainer.


As for Germany, Kaiser Wilhelm II appointed Friedrich Ebert as chancellor to the Reich as the first socialist chancellor. This was presented as a concession

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Friedrich Ebert​


It soon paved the way for Germany's transformation into a true constitutional monarchy, aided by the fact that Wilhelm became an increasingly gloomy and reclusive person, which made him abandon his participation in the government.


With the participation of his heir, his grandson, Prince Louis Ferdinand in the affairs of the government after his brother, Prince Wilhelm, abdicated his claim to the throne in order to marry the common people

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Prince Louis Ferdinand​


His brother became the new face of a young, emerging, friendly and proud Germany with a strong economy and a decent colonial empire.



In the neighboring country of Austria, Italy, Italian politics after the Peace of Sixtus was very inflamed, as the Italians were very angry at what they considered to be the aid of the Entente for Austria.

This almost led to the myth of a distorted victory, which led to a march of fascist black shirts to Rome called "The March to Rome" where the former socialist Benito Mussolini led the march
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But feeling threatened and bowing to the will of Prime Minister Luigi Fatka, King Victor Emmanuel III brutally suppressed the march, which led to the beheading of fascism and the killing of most of its leaders who attended the march


As for Russia, despite the stable rule of Michael II, the problems seem to be about to begin


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Do not forget that Germany ended the Eastern Front early and returned all the other armies to the mainland.


And most important of all, it did not get out of Belgium (and this in itself is a very strong card that the Germans can play if they play it well).


Also, this is a negotiated peace, and the British and French know that without the other Central Powers, the Germans can reclaim all their gains.


If you look at the German colonial empire with the exception of East Africa, which was protected by Leto von Voorbeck


Most of the empire is gone, the Germans can withdraw from Belgium in exchange for the Congo and return Cameroon because France has occupied it, and the Germans can exchange their colonies with the British


(Namibia, Guinea, and parts of the Belgian Congo, reducing the navy to the British, Togo, Alsace and Lorraine for the French, in exchange for Kenya, Uganda, Gabon and Congo for the Germans is not a bad deal)


Add to this the fact that this peace is due to the fact that Kaiser Wilhelm was subjected to a strong shock that made him a person more aware of reality
You can get the treaty you envisioned, but you need to have the Germans perform Better; if the Battle of Arras Is a disaster, as well as the nivelle offensive, and you have mutinees on a larger scale among french ranks (which is plausibile, since people see that peace Is possible ITTL), then you can get that treaty.
Forget about UK losing colonies, though.
That would actually be a good treaty, where every one Wind (assuming some small changes to your previous narrative)
-AH survives and vanquishes Serbia
-France gets back Alsace-Lorraine (It would be good to have Germany get best customer deal on Lorrainian iron)
-Germany gets a sphere in the East and their colonies back
-UK gets Germany to scale down their navy
-Italy gets most of italian speaking regions
-Bulgaria gets Macedonia and parts of Serbia proper
The only net losers are the Russians and the Ottomans
 

ahmedali

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You can get the treaty you envisioned, but you need to have the Germans perform Better; if the Battle of Arras Is a disaster, as well as the nivelle offensive, and you have mutinees on a larger scale among french ranks (which is plausibile, since people see that peace Is possible ITTL), then you can get that treaty.
Forget about UK losing colonies, though.
That would actually be a good treaty, where every one Wind (assuming some small changes to your previous narrative)
-AH survives and vanquishes Serbia
-France gets back Alsace-Lorraine (It would be good to have Germany get best customer deal on Lorrainian iron)
-Germany gets a sphere in the East and their colonies back
-UK gets Germany to scale down their navy
-Italy gets most of italian speaking regions
-Bulgaria gets Macedonia and parts of Serbia proper
The only net losers are the Russians and the Ottomans
That's pretty much true



But the Bulgarians will continue to be severely affected along with the Russians, the Ottomans and the Serbs, and thus they will be the losers



(Austria-Hungary’s exit from the war means that they are completely cut off from German support, and this only means one thing, which is the collapse of the Bulgarian army)



So Bulgaria is still losing as hard as in our world



Serbia is the biggest loser in the war



(They lost a large number of the population and their allies saved Austria, and they could not threaten Austria for a long time. Add to this that they gained nothing even though they lost nothing.)



Germany defeated Russia and won the first moderate Brest-Litovsk Peace



(which includes only Poland and Lithuania, not the second cruel peace, but I enslaved Courland because the German-occupied area could not be a state)



With the Treaty on the Importation of Foodstuffs from Russia at a Preferential Price



Exchange of colonies between the United Kingdom and Germany



It is based on the history of the Zanzibar and Heligoland exchange



(The British granted Katanga, Namibia, and Togo divided between themselves and France, with the reduction of the German navy and the guarantee of Belgium, in exchange for the Germans granting Uganda, Kenya and the Congo without Katanga.


It doesn't look like a deal the British would turn down as Katanga is very rich and very valuable


And most importantly of all this, the Entente realizes that the Germans can recover what they lost, so they accept the German proposal (especially France).


Italy acquired all the Italian-speaking territories except Trieste and Dalmatia


(Because the Entente did not want to alienate Austria and wanted to curb Italy's greed and that is why a distorted victory is still happening)
 
Ok, premises: there is one main difficulty in achieving a settled peace for WW1: if the Germans think they are winning they will want much more; if, OTOH the Entente think they are winning they are going to want much more as well
To achieve a negotiated peace, your scenario is ok, but it needs the Germans to perform a massive breakthrough in France, so to scare the Entente into reasoning at a peace table, while OTOH the Germans realize that they have overextended and at risk of unraveling (so they, in turn accept to negotiate)
That said, 2 problems:
1) the colonies exchange: those colonies are valuable for the British, they would not give them up, as that would give the Germans more bases from which to operate against shipping inbound/outbound from India.
Also, unless the Germans win MASSIVELY, they have 0 chances to extract terms from the British and it would be veeeery much if they get their original colonies back (this, though is plausibile if the french appear to be losing bad an the Brits want ti bail them out).
2) Bulgaria loses...against whom? The Vardar offensive was much later in the war; until then the Entente has very little boots on the ground: a good compromise would be :
-Macedonia to Bulgaria from Serbia
-Alexandropolis from Bulgaria to Greece
-Greece agrees to concede the Bulgarians basing rights in the port of Salonika in perpetuity
 
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Germany is not in a position to gain that much colonial territory. The best they could hope for is a return of Tanganyika and Cameroon, and some kind of deal in regards to the Belgian Congo.
 

ahmedali

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Ok, premises: there is one main difficulty in achieving a settled peace for WW1: if the Germans think they are winning they will want much more; if, OTOH the Entente think they are winning they are going to want much more as well
To achieve a negotiated peace, your scenario is ok, but it needs the Germans to perform a massive breakthrough in France, so to scare the Entente into reasoning at a peace table, while OTOH the Germans realize that they have overextended and at risk of unraveling (so they, in turn accept to negotiate)
That said, 2 problems:
1) the colonies exchange: those colonies are valuable for the British, they would not give them up, as that would give the Germans more bases from which to operate against shipping inbound/outbound from India.
Also, unless the Germans win MASSIVELY, they have 0 chances to extract terms from the British and it would be veeeery much if they get their original colonies back (this, though is plausibile if the french appear to be losing bad an the Brits want ti bail them out).
2) Bulgaria loses...against whom? The Vardar offensive was much later in the war; until then the Entente has very little boots on the ground: a good compromise would be :
-Macedonia to Bulgaria from Serbia
-Alexandropolis from Bulgaria to Greece
-Greece agrees to concede the Bulgarians basing rights in the port of Salonika in perpetuity
This is true to some extent


But remember that this Germany even if it lost two battles


It is never close to collapse, and the French and British know that


And it's only a matter of time before they take back control and go back to making progress


(The French will take the British at the Germans’ offer as long as they keep Alsace and Lorraine, and drive the Germans out of Belgium and lower the navy.)



Austria withdrew from Serbia



The Bulgarian army was greatly weakened by the attacks of the Entente and the Greek army (loyal to Venzelius).


And the Serbian army that recovered from its collapse


With the interruption of support from Germany and the Ottomans, their collapse is only a matter of time



Theoretically, the British could agree to such a deal if the Germans got out of Belgium and promised to reduce the navy.


They will exchange colonies, and they will not lose anything


(Namibia and Guinea are very dangerous if they return to the Germans because they threaten the control of the British over the head, and Australia and Suez still belong to Britain and the Germans will reduce the navy, so Namibia and New Guinea against Uganda and Kenya will be satisfactory)
 

ahmedali

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Germany is not in a position to gain that much colonial territory. The best they could hope for is a return of Tanganyika and Cameroon, and some kind of deal in regards to the Belgian Congo.
This is true if Germany collapses completely


But they only came out of France


They are still in Belgium so they can play well in Belgium
 
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