Swiss/Benelux/Nordics in German Unification?

Could the countries of Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway have been swept up in the Pan-Germanism of late 19th century to point were they each petition for integration post-Franco-Prussian War

If so, what sorta PoD would be needed to make this happen?
 
Could the countries of Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway have been swept up in the Pan-Germanism of late 19th century to point were they each petition for integration post-Franco-Prussian War

If so, what sorta PoD would be needed to make this happen?

I would say that those three are ASB.
 
Depends how far back you want to lay the PoD.

If you want to maintain a recognisable pan-Germanism in the 19th century on the back of France & Prussia, I don't see a way for any but MAYBE Denmark (IIRC they asked at some point to join the North German thing Prussia had pre-Franco/Prussian war, though it was a weird idea even then) and Luxemburg. All the others are too un-German or have their own German-derived culture already.
 
Nope, not that late.
PoD needs to be way earlier, for the Netherlands at least before the 17th century, for Switzerland even before the 15th century. And the North German languages aren´t even mutually intelligible with Dutch/German, they are out of the picture unless the divergence is before the 10th century.
EDIT: True, avernite, Luxembourg may have been a possibility in the given time frame.
 
MAYBE Denmark (IIRC they asked at some point to join the North German thing Prussia had pre-Franco/Prussian war, though it was a weird idea even then)

It's a little complicated. Following the Denmark's loss in the Second Schleswig War, Christian IX-- acting on his own, going behind the back of the Danish government-- offered to bring Denmark into the German Confederation if Denmark could remain united with Schleswig and Holstein. Bismarck refused and that was that.

Even if Bismarck had been amiable to the proposal, I'm not sure if it would have worked. As said, Christian IX was doing this on his own accord, not on behalf of the government; I can't imagine Denmark would be amused with this surprise annexation.
 
Only Luxemburg would join up if it was swept up into the German nationalism. The others you mention are genuinely different nations.
 
There were some interesting pan-germanicist movements in the early twentieth century. Sweden had one, I believe called aktivism. They weren't exactly seeking to join Germany so much as be part of a Germanic community of nation-states underneath German leadership. It was an intensely right wing movement, quite reactionary and arguably Proto-fascist. I think with the right PODs and personalities you could come up with something akin to that, but it's a huge stretch and I don't feel it would be easy.
 
It's a little complicated. Following the Denmark's loss in the Second Schleswig War, Christian IX-- acting on his own, going behind the back of the Danish government-- offered to bring Denmark into the German Confederation if Denmark could remain united with Schleswig and Holstein. Bismarck refused and that was that.

Even if Bismarck had been amiable to the proposal, I'm not sure if it would have worked. As said, Christian IX was doing this on his own accord, not on behalf of the government; I can't imagine Denmark would be amused with this surprise annexation.

Bolding mine.
The German Confederation in 1864 really was a loose confederation, with no common government, no common currency, no common code of law. Various members had possessions outside the GC and the more powerful ones could act freely without consulting the other mebers.

In shgort, i am not sure that "annexation" is the right term. It would reduce Denmarks independence, yes, but basically, it was more like NATO than EU.
 
All of Belgium or Switzerland? Nope.

In both cases, you've got a farily sizable French community who would be pro-French, or anti-German at the least if it's a Italian-styled unification.

Now, if they take the majority parts...unlikely, but with the right PODs and such, I think it's possible, at least in Belgium's case.
 
Could the countries of Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway have been swept up in the Pan-Germanism of late 19th century to point were they each petition for integration post-Franco-Prussian War

If so, what sorta PoD would be needed to make this happen?

Those who know Switzerland a bit know that there was something very close to hatred between the german speaking swiss cantons and the swabian principalities from the early 16th century on. If one needs an other example of the fact that sharing the same language does not necessarily make one single nation, well that’s an other good one.

That’s especially true for populations that don’t even share the same language but just speak a parent dialect. Dutch, Danish, … etc, are Germanic dialects but are not germans.

So if you want to reach a situation where all the peoples that speak various Germanic dialects are a common nation State, you would first need to prevent the Germanic tribes to migrate by separate groups all over the western roman empire and to be scattered in Gaul, Italy, Britannia, north Africa, …etc. These Germanic migrations contributed to keeping the territories from where they originated (that is the right bank of the Rhine and the left bank of the Danube) a lowly populated area. These migrations contributed to turning Germanic kinglets’ attentions and interests towards already developed areas with a strong identity and big population instead of developing and strengthening their own. In the end, these Germanic minorities were assimilated by the italian-romans, the gallic-romans, the Spaniard-romans, the berber-romans, … etc.
The territories that were mainly inhabited by Germanic peoples had a second chance of triggering the long-run process that could have slowly turned it into a Nation-State. That was in the tenth century, until Otto I made the decisive choice of the shining dead-end of trying to build and maintain an imperial domination over non-germanic population. Going for Italy and Burgundy was a dead-end. Empire was the curse that made impossible a unified and coherent germanic State for almost a millennium.
But to my opinion, the key point of divergence is the 5th and 6th centuries great migration of peoples. The fact is that, OTL, there was a separation between the germanic peoples that remained centered around the Baltic and the germanic peoples that chose not to stay where they lived but to go for adventure westward, southward and eastward.

This is what you need to change if you want to have a unified pangermanic kingdom including Scandinavia. And for this to happen, you need a stronger, more solid and more lucky western roman empire. One that could contain or roll back at least a big part of the Germanic tribes on the outer side of the limes.
 
Hell, Switzerland has the issue that the German speaking parts of the country are those with the longest and strongest identity of 'down with Kings, Habsburgs and distant rulers taxing us, we want to run ourselves'

Swiss Cantonal identity was already so strongly established in the 18th Century that it actually forced Napoleon to abandon attempts to create a centralised state and overturned most efforts to change the Cantonal boundaries (those which succeeded being in the subject territories of either individual cities or the Confederacy as a whole). Swiss National Identity was weaker- I'd say that only really cemented in the 19th Century- but that hardly matters when everyone's going to vote against unification wit Germany out of a sense of extreme localism anyway.
 
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