Sweden a Ally of Nazi Germany

Sorry to say this, but you truly display lack of knowledge about the northern theater of operation during ww2.

:rolleyes:

Stalin DID commit rather large forces to the Murmansk - Kirkenes area. And so did Hitler. And this is in adition to the rest of the Finnish-Soviet border.

Yes - to protect (attack) East Karelia and the Arctic links to Britain-America and Russia's northern flank, back when Germany was on the offensive and even well into the middle stages of the German-Soviet war.

And Stalin DID actuly liberate Kirkenes from the germans in the late stages of the war. But the soviets withdrew after peace was made, according to the Jalta agreement.

That was in October 1944. What were they doing in March-April 1945 when Stalin and most of the Red Army was primarily focused on Central Europe, when it would've been likely for Stalin to attempt to do something about Sweden?

You might have been on to something had Stalin actually held on to northern Norway and attack northern Sweden and not give it up as the OP had suggested he could do, therefore implying it wasn't in Stalin's main interest as Central Europe had been.
 
As a person from Sverige I have to disagree with some statements
We were indeed dependant on Germany and did some concessions but frankly what would Per-Albin do? In 1939 we had almost no army, a small
airforce and and a very weak navy, the reason for this is the catastropical
defence cuts in the 20ies and early 30ies. Per-Albin had one mission to keep the country out of the war and he did succed. As a rather small country
we were and are very dependant on foreign trade and after 1940 we had basically one country to trade with namely Germany, they needed our ore
and we needed their coal and other products it is a simple as that.
Furthermore we did had some problems with the British at the time, they tend to be rather highanded, for instance the Hagman affair among others, and frankly 1941 the Germans were winning so what were we supposed to do? I for one support Per-Albin fully he did the right thing. We do have one thing that one could be proud of we supported the Finns in the winterwar
with what means that were at our disposal.
 
I doubt anybody here thinks otherwise.

Sweden tried to make the best of a bad situation.
In fact, Sweden staying neutral saved a lot of lives
It was a place people could flee too.
 

Oddball

Monthly Donor

:rolleyes:

Yes - to protect (attack) East Karelia and the Arctic links to Britain-America and Russia's northern flank, back when Germany was on the offensive and even well into the middle stages of the German-Soviet war.

And this differences from what I said in what way :confused:

Unlike your statement in the first place: "I doubt Stalin would give a damn and send needed men and equipment to a frozen theater when the war that really interested him was being waged to the bitter end in Central Europe."

And that is plainly wrong ;)

That was in October 1944. What were they doing in March-April 1945 when Stalin and most of the Red Army was primarily focused on Central Europe, when it would've been likely for Stalin to attempt to do something about Sweden?

They had atleast four inf Corps in the Kirkenes area, all the way uptil may! The last soviet troops left Norway in september 1945!

You might have been on to something had Stalin actually held on to northern Norway and attack northern Sweden and not give it up as the OP had suggested he could do, therefore implying it wasn't in Stalin's main interest as Central Europe had been.

Attacking Sweden? A pro allied nation? Yes, that would have displayed initiative atleast... :eek:

But Stalin did have an interset in Norway. The negotiation between Soviet and the Norwegian London government were rather tricky. The Soviets did try to make Norway yield in many ways befor finaly sticking to the initial agreement of leaving Kirkenes
 

Oddball

Monthly Donor
As a person from Sverige I have to disagree with some statements
We were indeed dependant on Germany and did some concessions but frankly what would Per-Albin do? In 1939 we had almost no army, a small
airforce and and a very weak navy, the reason for this is the catastropical
defence cuts in the 20ies and early 30ies. Per-Albin had one mission to keep the country out of the war and he did succed. As a rather small country
we were and are very dependant on foreign trade and after 1940 we had basically one country to trade with namely Germany, they needed our ore
and we needed their coal and other products it is a simple as that.
Furthermore we did had some problems with the British at the time, they tend to be rather highanded, for instance the Hagman affair among others, and frankly 1941 the Germans were winning so what were we supposed to do? I for one support Per-Albin fully he did the right thing.

All true :)

Sweden did what she had to do; supported the nazis when needed early and suppported the allies when needed later.

But sometimes I get worked up when someone claims that Sweden was a true neutral during ww2.
Atleast she NEVER gave in to German demands... :rolleyes:

We do have one thing that one could be proud of we supported the Finns in the winterwar
with what means that were at our disposal.

I dont know about that :(

Both Norway and Sweden should be ashamed of our handeling of the winter war :eek:
 
I am Scandinavien, and it has surfaced that Sweden in the 1930s and during the war was defacto ally of Nazi Germany.

My question is if had been a ally of Nazi Germany on paper, would we have seen Sovjet troops occupying Sweden during the Cold War??

/Fred

We were? Thats a surprise to me. We did what we had to do to survive without beeing invaded. Hitler got what he wanted from us without the strain of invasion and ocupation and we benifited to. In WW1 Sweden were truly neutral and people were almost starving in the winter of 1917. In WW2 we had trade with both sides and could import what we needed to keep the people alive
 
And this differences from what I said in what way :confused:

Was it supposed to?

Unlike your statement in the first place: "I doubt Stalin would give a damn and send needed men and equipment to a frozen theater when the war that really interested him was being waged to the bitter end in Central Europe."

And that is plainly wrong ;)

It's obvious my post was the first one you read in this thread; otherwise you would know what I was talking about when the OP suggested sending a large force AT THE END OF THE WAR and I responded "why would Stalin really care when his main interest was in securing Central Europe?"

Otherwise you wouldn't have brought up all this irrelevant and uncontested (by me) information about the Arctic front in 1941-44, and then be confused. :rolleyes:

They had atleast four inf Corps in the Kirkenes area, all the way uptil may! The last soviet troops left Norway in september 1945!

Yes, for the peripheral purpose of removing the German threat from the Arctic area! Not for attacking Sweden which would probably require more forces than Stalin would be willing to spare for such an operation!

Attacking Sweden? A pro allied nation? Yes, that would have displayed initiative atleast... :eek:

I don't think it's such a great idea myself, or even a good one.

But Stalin did have an interset in Norway. The negotiation between Soviet and the Norwegian London government were rather tricky. The Soviets did try to make Norway yield in many ways befor finaly sticking to the initial agreement of leaving Kirkenes

That's wonderful, but what does it have to do with Sweden?
 
On the big issue Sweden's neutrality was probably effectively pro axis. They had few other options, much the same as Switzerland



But the existence of iron-ore mines in Northern Norway would that be enough for Stalin to have launched a millitary operation to capture that area?

Isn't there uranium mine in that part of Norway today?

I have heard it claimed that Soviet forces did enter Northern Norway - presumably in 1944 or 1945 as part of the process of defeating the Nazis. They then withdrew, as per the deal they did.
 

Oddball

Monthly Donor
I have heard it claimed that Soviet forces did enter Northern Norway - presumably in 1944 or 1945 as part of the process of defeating the Nazis. They then withdrew, as per the deal they did.

Another one that perhaps should read the whole thread... :D

They liberated Kirkenes in October 1944 and withdrew in September 1945
 
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