Surviving Princes of the tower, escape.

I think E4's boys are doomed by their Woodville blood. Even if Richard hadn't taken the throne, someone, somewhere is going to either off them and/or start a successful civil war when the Woodvilles got more arrogant (granted, hard, but I think they still had room for more arrogance). Henry Tudor may have been inevitable.
 
Hmm interesting, though considering he managed to get support from disaffected Edwardians, if there is a son of Edward alive and kicking, he's going to face a harder time of it. Especially, if people believe the boy, and thus look less favourably on Elizabeth
 
All Margaret Beaufort and her son need to do is flood the market with pretenders....then it's "Oh, god, another one?"
 
All Margaret Beaufort and her son need to do is flood the market with pretenders....then it's "Oh, god, another one?"

Hmm true, though why do that, when they can either produce the real one, or simply go at Richard III themselves, and then discredit the boy when Henry VII the mother's boy sits the throne?
 
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Could do.

I don't think he could bring his nephew back, even if his son does die.

To do that, Richard would have to be legitimate and if he's legitimate then he's the King.


That's not insuperable. He was bastardised by an Act of Parliament, so he could be legitimised by one. There could simply be a clause reserving the rights of the present King and the heirs of his body. Of course that wouldn't guarantee it, as Richard III might have a son by a second marriage, but if he went several years without having one, he might consider it.


I would imagine it would still be Lincon as the heir but he would remarry - assuming Anne dies as usual.

How seriously would Lincoln be taken, if there was a real Plantagenet just across the road? Even OTL he preferred to hide behind a bogus !Earl of Warwick". And Richard might prefer to leave the question open, and keep his nephew hanging on in the hope of being named.
 
What happens if he managed to flee to Thomas Gray before the latter joined Henry Tudor?Wouldn't Thomas Gray be able to testify the identity of the boy convincingly?
 
How seriously would Lincoln be taken, if there was a real Plantagenet just across the road? Even OTL he preferred to hide behind a bogus !Earl of Warwick". And Richard might prefer to leave the question open, and keep his nephew hanging on in the hope of being named.

True, I suppose he'd be backed (if Richard named him) by those that had done well out of him being named heir etc.

But you're right about it would be hard for him to be taken seriously with a real Plantagenet across the road.
 
Most definitely, would Richard III seriously consider bringing his nephew back to court should something happen to his wife and child as they did otl?
 
No, because R3 at that point expected to remarry and have another heir. He will, however, invite the lad to every royal gathering until he re-captures him!
 
No, because R3 at that point expected to remarry and have another heir. He will, however, invite the lad to every royal gathering until he re-captures him!


Of course expecting one and getting one are two different things. His first marriage produced only one child, who died young, and it is not a given that his second marriage would do any better..
 
Indeed indeed, though the chances of De La Pole uniting Yorkists behind him is slim no?
It's precisely this that's favorable.Kings don't really want an heir that can unite his subjects that much,especially since this heir isn't even his son.
 
Indeed, very true. So if Richard III dies without a clear heir of his own body, might we see another civil war between De La Pole and Richard of Shrewsbury?
 
Indeed, very true. So if Richard III dies without a clear heir of his own body, might we see another civil war between De La Pole and Richard of Shrewsbury?
Likely not.I'd presume Richard of Shrewsbury would be murdered by his goalers,unless they have a very good relationship with him or somehow not favourable of John.Otherwise,the goalers might be on Richard's hit list.
 
Likely not.I'd presume Richard of Shrewsbury would be murdered by his goalers,unless they have a very good relationship with him or somehow not favourable of John.Otherwise,the goalers might be on Richard's hit list.

Ah that is if Richard remains in the tower. If he escapes the tower, what then?
 
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