Surviving Mali federation

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Noscoper, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:56 PM.

  1. Noscoper Well-Known Member

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    Anyway you could get the Mali Federation to survive

    How political stable would a surviving Mali Federation be

    How would this impact the Senegal and Mali's development
     
  2. Noscoper Well-Known Member

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    Could Gambia join
     
  3. jerseyguy Well-Known Member

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    Mali would probably benefit from having access to the sea, but leaders in both countries would likely need to have similar political instincts. The federation split OTL because Senegal's leader was more conservative and the Malian leader was a socialist.

    When it comes to French African countries, the larger the better. I think French West Africa should've gained independence as one unit. This larger country would be less susceptible to French meddling in its politics, and it would've been more economically diversified as well.
     
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  4. Noscoper Well-Known Member

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    Anyway you could get that ?
     
  5. jerseyguy Well-Known Member

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    I don't a substantial knowledge of post-colonial leaders in this region, and my research would be severely limited by lack of fluency in French. However, PODs that change a single individual are quite feasible. It's hard to make substantial changes to the world map, but a single individual can die in a plane crash/car accident/ship sinking, or experience a change in their life (travel to a specific location abroad or POD during university years that leave them with different politics.

    Many anti-colonial nationalists who lead their homelands to independence in the 1960s shared similar formative political experiences. These future rulers of the new states in Africa and Asia were educated at French and British universities at a time when the Great Depression had discredited economic liberalism, and western intellectuals had a rose-tinted view of the Soviet experiment as the wave of the future.

    In the '60s the USSR's opposition to colonialism and rapid transformation from a rural backwater to an industrial power provided an attractive model of development for new countries. The early Indian National Congress, for example, attempted to combine Westminster model liberal democracy with a Soviet-type planned economy.
     
  6. Jackson Lennock Well-Known Member

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    Mali is an interesting country because it more or less corresponds to the pre-colonial Toucoulour Empire.

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    French West Africa as a single Federal Unit (which we could just as easily call the Federation of Mali) would be intriguing. The whole country would have 110 million people, which is neat still smaller than the population of Nigeria.
     
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  7. jerseyguy Well-Known Member

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    Its economy would likely have faster and more stable economic growth than its OTL constituent countries as well. Economies like Cote D'Ivoire are highly dependent on a commodity like cocoa beans which they can't control the price of, and its probably much harder to diversify a smaller economy. I guess that Dakar would be the Port city, Bamako would be the capital, and Timbuktu would be a university city with colleges and Madrassas. If the federation includes Niger it would have the uranium for a nuclear energy program.
     
  8. Evertonian The EDL *are* utter tossers.

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    Given that such a country is likely to be rather left-wing, Pan-Africanist and involved in sabre-rattling with South Africa, I presume you mean "energy", nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean?
     
  9. Jackson Lennock Well-Known Member

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    Dakar was the capital of French West Africa and the capital of the OTL Mali Federation, so I would think it'd be the capital of this greater Mali Federation.

    It might be better for the federation to not have Niger. France is going to want that Uranium. Perhaps Western Niger is part of the federation and eastern Niger
     
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    How would his be a problem that France wants the uranium?

    Whatever happens, this federation will be tied to France, yes by being united they will be stronger and France will have slightly less influence, but there are too much history and linguistic ties to hope that thy can become fully geopolitically Independant from France.

    France will be their main economic and military partner, if a government is too opposed to French policies, it will get deposited
     
  11. jerseyguy Well-Known Member

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    I chose Bamako because it was centrally located in French West Africa. Even if the federation started out with Dakar as the capital city, it would probably move the capital inland to compromise between the regions the way Nigeria moved its capitol from Lagos to Abuja as a North-South compromise.
     
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    Nope, I meant an actual nuclear energy program. The OTL French metropole gets a majority of its energy from nuclear power and has one of the most competitive nuclear energy industries in the world. This West African federation could agree to grant France continued access to Nigerien uranium reserves and/or nuclear testing sites in the Sahara in return for a joint venture with an African utility company, a contract for power plants to be be built in West Africa by French companies, or scholarships for young physicists and engineers to study in France.
     
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  13. Evertonian The EDL *are* utter tossers.

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    Really? I could see that but think this bloc will develop some Instasun (tm) to ward off Pretoria.
     
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    One of my pipe dreams, if you will, is an African Confederation, consisting of two Federations, one French- and one English-speaking, divided into ethnically based states.
     
  15. jerseyguy Well-Known Member

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    French West Africa and South Africa are on opposite ends of the continent, I don't see how they'd be a threat to each other.
     
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    I doubt a United French West Africa would want to dump resources into a nuclear weapons program.
     
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    Could the Mali Federation be held together by force of arms ?
     
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    You need to find a way to get Modibo Keita out of power before the Federation is created. Leopold Senghor was good at working with and co-opting people/groups; Keita was not and monopolized control of Mali. Maybe if Keita's rival Fily Dabo Sissiko, who was known to be much more conservative and more importantly who was educated in Senegal. Both of them would have good synergy I think.

    The impact of a surviving federation is hard to overstate, this is a huge boon to the regional economy with a far more diversified export industry. At the same time, Mali isn't left landlocked and at the mercy of Senegalese tariffs and Keita's quasi socialist gatekeeper state. In short we're looking at an economic framework thats much more favorable to exports and development which is going to pay dividends down the line.

    Probably much smaller than that. The interlinking of the country as a federal unit means migration restrictions (I can't underestimate how insane West Africa's migration restrictions are) are lessened and urbanization starts up earlier, which gets the demographic transition to begin ahead of schedule.
     
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  19. jerseyguy Well-Known Member

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    This right here, West Africa's current political economy has the worst of both worlds when it comes to country size and integration. Europe's smaller states (Slovenia, Montenegro, Baltic States) are economically successful in a wider international environment of regional integration and lack of borders, trade restrictions, or migration barriers. If there was still an interwar-era mess of tariffs, quotas, and migration restrictions, then the map of Europe would be made up of a smaller number of larger countries, and places like Kosovo or Slovenia would just be autonomous regions of a larger state.

    West Africa's political map is a bunch of smaller nations like Central and Eastern Europe, but there's no EU/Schengen deep economic integration between them.
     
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    How would its economic relations with Nigeria be?