Surviving "lost" European Nations

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You guys have a very cool flag.
 
ASB.

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True. Yugo the country ran about as well as Yugo the car. :p

So...how about Poland-Lithuania remaining a dominant power on the European continent? Or Kievan Rus hanging onto power, and having Ukraine dominate Russia instead of the other way around?
 

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True. Yugo the country ran about as well as Yugo the car. :p

So...how about Poland-Lithuania remaining a dominant power on the European continent? Or Kievan Rus hanging onto power, and having Ukraine dominate Russia instead of the other way around?
<_< Poland must be kept off the map! I instead propose a surviving Baltic Prussia that owns Brandenburg, Silesia...and most of Congress Poland. Lithuania can be big, but >_> Poland must die..


(Not nationalism. Just don't like the way Poland looks on maps)
 
Carthage! A Carthegian Empire straddles the Mediterrean (and more) while Rome is a wasted area, sown with salt. New Carthage (Iberia) is the seat of power.

Funny thing is that Hannibal had never wanted to destroy Rome. His plans for the future included a Rome whose power was kept within the Italian Peninsula at most. However, it could happen as in OTL's Third Punic War, where Rome declared war on Carthage on trumped-up charges.
 
I noticed the Teutonic order here alot, what would it take for them to still be live and kicking?

If they win at Tannenberg / Grunwald and come off better in the Peace of Thorns, I think that the order could overcome the difficulties it faced in the 15th century in OTL. The Prussian Confederation and later wars with Poland could be handled better, leading to a surviving Ordensstaat.

BTW, if you want to read a completely ASB AAR about the Teutonic Order (now with crusades against the Ottomans!) there is a link to it in my sig. It's the "Ebony Cross" one.
 
So...how about Poland-Lithuania remaining a dominant power on the European continent?
Poland-Lithuiania does not have many chances. However, if Hapsburgs managed to keep their Austro-Hungarian empire for so long, some truly capable dynasty can do the trick with Commonwealth. Then again, if you ask me, I would say that separate Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania (transformed into Kingdom at some point) have more chances of success. Religious divide would always haunt PLC.

Or Kievan Rus hanging onto power, and having Ukraine dominate Russia instead of the other way around?
Decline of Kiev (and neighbouring principalities) had been caused by decline of trade with Constantinople, so it wouldn't be easy to have Kiev dominating NE principalities. However, if you butterfly Mongols away you can have several strong Eastern Slavic states competing for dominance in region. I can see Ruthenia (present-day Ukraine), Slovenia (Novgorod Republic, as they called themselves "Slovenes") and Vladimir (modern-day Central Russia). Would it be Slovenia or Vladimir who will get Siberia in this universe remains to be seen.

I noticed the Teutonic order here alot, what would it take for them to still be live and kicking?
They were sorta "alive and kicking" until late 1800s (rise of Latvian/Estonian ethnic nationalism). Before that, it was territory governed by Germans (neither Swedes nor Russians made serious attempt to assimilate Germans there) and every rich or educated Latvian or Estonian tried his best to be considered German ("Estonians" were forbidden from entering Reval until 18th century). Medieval Germans actually opposed Germanization of "natives", as it had been seen as undermining "status quo" (Germans as personally free landowners/merchants/tradesmen vs. "natives" as serfs, bound to manors).
 
Poland-Lithuiania does not have many chances. However, if Hapsburgs managed to keep their Austro-Hungarian empire for so long, some truly capable dynasty can do the trick with Commonwealth. Then again, if you ask me, I would say that separate Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania (transformed into Kingdom at some point) have more chances of success. Religious divide would always haunt PLC.

If Russia is weaker in this TL, then PLC might last past 1791. Perhaps a more successful Sweden in alliance with the Commonwealth?
 
Some of my favorites are Burgundy, Aragon, Occitania, the Teutonic State, and Venice. I'd also say Lithuania, but it still exists, it's just a shadow of its former self.
 
Perhaps less of a long shot: the Duchy of Bouillon. After all, it was briefly restored after 1815. It could end up as a second Luxembourg or Liechtenstein.

Not that it would matter in the grand scheme of things...
 
Independent Scotland. While you have that, there is a land conflict in Great Britain each time England is involved on the continent, and that means FUN.
 
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