Surviving "lost" European Nations

yourworstnightmare

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A surviving Burgundy shouldn't be that hard. Have Charles to survive longer, or Mary marrying some lord of lesser importance, so that his realm is swallowed by Burgundy instead of the other way around. Then how long you get it to survive depend on how sharp the following dukes are I guess??

Other nice survivors; Scotland- always a nice one
Caliphate of Cordoba- I like Al- Andalus timelines
Republic of Venice- because it would be cool
 
I guess I forgot Bohemia as well.

I would like the Teutonic Knights and the Hanseatic League to survive, but both are very unlikely.

Also, let me bring up something important: I'm looking at regions that had their own strong identity, but it's kind of lost in a historical sense. For example, everyone knows about the Bretons and how Brittany used to be its own country. But what about Burgundy? Most people have forgotten about it, and how it was ignobly dissolved in a dynastic succession. Just what the hell is a Burgundian, anyways? A cross between a German and a French?
 
I never really liked a unified italy...too much...but Im fine with it now.

Anyways, Id like for the Republic of Venice, Lombarde, the Two Sicilies, and the Papal States to survive. That would be cool.
 
They don't even count, Byzantines reverted back to Greeks eventually. Their national identity isn't lost like the Burgundians'. Or the Aquitainians. Or the Provencal.
 
Frankish Empire
Visigoths
Ostrogoths
Wales
The various Anglosaxon Kingdoms (Wessex, Northumbria etc.)
Teutonic Order
The former states in the HRE
 

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Carthage! A Carthegian Empire straddles the Mediterrean (and more) while Rome is a wasted area, sown with salt. New Carthage (Iberia) is the seat of power.
 
I do like Northumbria. Its a sad state of affairs that it had its identity torn asunder and split between the Scots and those darn name stealing Saxons.

Burgundy was indeed cool....Especially nifty how it steadily migrated up the map (though admittedly not as a country)

Navarre too would be nice. It'd be good to see it as a uber Andorra of sorts.

And of course Savoy!
 
I always thought the original Kingdom of Burgundy (the one between OTL France, Switzerland, and Italy, not the Valois' uber-Netherlands) was a cool one.

It seems so well positioned for some enterprising southern French noble family to resurrect (ie, the Cathar Counts of Toulouse become the Cathar Kings of Burgundy).
 
Kalmar Union, Benelux (Netherlands after 1815), Anschluss, Iberian Union (I prefer to call it Spain), Poland-Lithuania, United Kingdom of England and Ireland, Republican France (including Rhineland), and my favorite (but never arrived to consummation) France-Spain personal union. They all had many chances to survive
 
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