Surviving Latin Empire

Gian

Banned
Here's another challenge: Have the Latin Empire not only survive, but thrive, taking over at the very least Greece and Anatolia.
 
Here's another challenge: Have the Latin Empire not only survive, but thrive, taking over at the very least Greece and Anatolia.

ASB. It was a crusader state with much less of a ready base of support than existed in the Levant, and the native neighbors are too eager to expand.
 
ASB. It was a crusader state with much less of a ready base of support than existed in the Levant, and the native neighbors are too eager to expand.

It's probably not outright ASB, but still very difficult. It's best chances for survival probably would involve a significant reduction in how "Latin" the Empire was, by increasing native participation in the state. To survive it would basically need to become the Roman Empire in fact as well as name, with the "Latin" portion becoming a part of the upper echelons. The biggest hurdle would likely be the Catholic/Orthodox divide, which could definitely be fatal.
 
*koff koff* A More Enduring Frankokratia *koff koff*

Point of divergence is that Henry of Flanders survives several more years and produces a son. I felt free to butterfly in some things which will prove very fortunate for the Latins, such as Ivan Asen II eliminating Theodoros of Epiros years before Klokotnitsa, etc.

The Fourth Crusade is my historical passion, but I think even in the best case scenario -- which is what I'm writing -- the Latins will assimilate. They were well on their way there OTL (as Blanche of Castile complained when she met Baldwin II, the last Latin emperor). The Latins simply lacked the manpower neccesary to hold onto their empire.
 
*koff koff* A More Enduring Frankokratia *koff koff*

Point of divergence is that Henry of Flanders survives several more years and produces a son. I felt free to butterfly in some things which will prove very fortunate for the Latins, such as Ivan Asen II eliminating Theodoros of Epiros years before Klokotnitsa, etc.

The Fourth Crusade is my historical passion, but I think even in the best case scenario -- which is what I'm writing -- the Latins will assimilate. They were well on their way there OTL (as Blanche of Castile complained when she met Baldwin II, the last Latin emperor). The Latins simply lacked the manpower neccesary to hold onto their empire.
This was the TL I was referring to. :)
 

Razgriz 2K9

Banned
I've read a little bit of Frankokratia, and while I'm not really into the idea that any of the surviving Crusader States could last (especially since said states wound up in the hands of either the Mamluks, the Turks or the very Merchant states that they were paying homge to.) Maybe a surviving Latin Empire, even one that would create a culture that would fuse the Byzantine Greek with French and Latin undertones, could help to keep the Crusader States in the Levant going for a little while longer, though in all belief, I doubt any crusader state will see itself survive after 1500 at best.
 
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