Surviving Kingdom of Georgia

ben0628

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What is now Georgia and much of the rest of the Caucuses region was once known as the Kingdom of Georgia, which lasted from the late tenth to the late fifteenth centuries. It occupied present day Georgia, as well as large parts of Armenia and Azerbaijan and small parts of Anatolia, Russia, and Iran.

Unfortunately for Georgia, the country faced a series of problems that eventually tore the nation apart. The mongols invaded. The black plague came. Civil War. And to top if all off, Timur invaded the country.

Is there anyway the Kingdom of Georgia can plausibly survive after all these catastrophes? According to Wikipedia, the country was still relatively powerful after the mongols and plague, but Timur's invasion of the area was what really put the final nail in the coffin for the kingdom. What if the Georgian's can somehow kill Timur? That would probably cause Timur's empire to crumble, yet at the same time the Ottomans would just fill in the power vacuum. Is Georgia doomed to fail until the 19th/20th centuries or is it possible for it to survive?
 

ben0628

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bump. Is the questions asked asb, or is it just most people either don't know much about the topic or aren't interested?
 
bump. Is the questions asked asb, or is it just most people either don't know much about the topic or aren't interested?

I would say most dont know much about the topic but if you are really curious wiki it and do some research of your own.
Also I did not know there was another Georgia other than the state. I`m in college :D !!!
 
The main problem the Georgian kings had was noble rebellions, as Georgia's unification in 1008 was quite tenuous. Even the strongest Georgian rulers, such as Queen Tamar, struggled to deal with the nobles, and when the kingdom was weak, the nobles declared independence, making them more vulnerable to foreign incursions. What Georgia really needed in its heyday was a ruler who instituted administrative reform and smashed the nobles; power bases, rather than initiating foreign conquest, which just lead to more troublesome nobles to deal with. From there, the hypothetical Georgian ruler can centralise their state. By Timur's time it was too late to do all of this, but if this was done earlier, the kingdom could survive *Timur's wrath.
 
The main problem are the Ottomans. Tamerlane devastated the country, but he was a one in a thousand chance. The Turks are right there and a long term problem. If Timur isn't there, they still have to deal with Bayezid after all.

The Georgians' quandary is that they are very isolated Christian island in a Muslim sea. At some point, the odds against them are going to win.

I think the best chance for their survival is for the Byzantines to remain strong. The 1204 sack of Constantinople needs to be avoided. A Byzantine state that can fight the Turks as an equal gives the Georgians a lot more options. Even better if the Crusader states and Cilician Armenia survive.
 
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