Surviving Kingdom of Burgundy

So which Burgundy do you mean,
the pre-Carolingian one? Or the one mostly manifested in the Low Countries in the 15th century? Or one of the others?

In the most likely case (15th century) you might want to take a look at the 99 threads that already discussed that question.
Please note that in that case the Kingdom would first have to be (re-)established - as was negotiated between Charles the Bold and Emperor Frederic, but did not happen.

In particular, there is one very comprehensive TL in here that changes this very point and lets Charles have a son. Who can link to it or write down the title? I'm sorry I don't remember.
 
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So which Burgundy do you mean,...
Well, any could be interesting. I initially meant the 15th century one, but others could be interesting to discuss too.
Anyway, I'll try to change the topic a bit: how could a 'united' Kingdom of Burgundy survive till about, say, 1800. It can be either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Burgundy,
or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Burgundy plus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Burgundy, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Burgundy plus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Burgundy.
 
How could Burgundy survive, not becoming part of France?
What would be the consequences?

For the first Kingdom, the best way would be to keep either a strong Ostrogothic Kingdom or the East Romans in Italy, so the Burgundians in their Rhodanic territory would be a useful buffer state against the Franks. Your you keep the Frankish kingdom from forming, which is rather difficult, since they had a much better connection to their original homeland/population base than the other Germanic realms of the migration period.

Kereping the Kdm of Arelate around in the 11th century would probably require doing bad things to the HRE. A decisive Magyar victory at the Lechfeld could abort the whole HRE and the Ottonian dynasty, and via butterflies Rhodanic Burgundy might emerge as regional power, berhaps as a Super-Savoy, expanding towards Piemont and/or Languedoc.

For the third kingdom - somehow either give CtB another son or two, thereby securing the line and mellowing the personality of Charles the No-longer-so-bold, so the coronation at Trier in 1473 really happens.
 
For the first Kingdom, the best way would be to keep either a strong Ostrogothic Kingdom or the East Romans in Italy, so the Burgundians in their Rhodanic territory would be a useful buffer state against the Franks. Your you keep the Frankish kingdom from forming, which is rather difficult, since they had a much better connection to their original homeland/population base than the other Germanic realms of the migration period.

Kereping the Kdm of Arelate around in the 11th century would probably require doing bad things to the HRE. A decisive Magyar victory at the Lechfeld could abort the whole HRE and the Ottonian dynasty, and via butterflies Rhodanic Burgundy might emerge as regional power, berhaps as a Super-Savoy, expanding towards Piemont and/or Languedoc.

For the third kingdom - somehow either give CtB another son or two, thereby securing the line and mellowing the personality of Charles the No-longer-so-bold, so the coronation at Trier in 1473 really happens.


For Arelate you could have the House of Toulouse inherit it just like what they tried in Provence before.
 
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