Surviving Hawaiian monarchy

I defer to your view here, but wouldn't the more prominent issue be with the large, wealthy American planter class that had its own agenda with regards to Hawaii?

If I remember correctly, many of the missionary families became the American planter class, or otherwise greatly influential.

So either way, something needs to be done.
 
I am truly sorry that you had the misfortune to grow up there, but then, if you are a Native Hawaiian, you would've seen it very differently. The locals and the Native Hawaiians that were friendly didn't understand what the problem was because they didn't know any different, or because they had just been raised around the problem and were blind to it. They also weren't treated with the same daily disdain that I and most White people are there, so that definitely can alter your outlook just a little bit.

I do not consider it a misfortune to have grown up there or to be a native Hawaiian. I consider it fortunate that you have left. I would consider that one's situation is different on the other islands, which are probably considered 'the sticks' compared to Honolulu. I would doubt that your experiences would be any different than any other rural area in the continental US.
 
Grover Cleveland wanted the monarchy restored, have him care less about the political backlash and have him restore the monarchy. After that we just need to figure out a way to preserve the monarchy with the planter class did worried about tariffs and people like McKinley as president.
 

Zirantun

Banned
...and have not experienced any peoblems with Hawaiian Independence extremist.


Forgive me, I replied to the wrong person... but I if you are a local non-White, the racism doesn't apply to you, so I doubt that you would even notice it. I understand that it can be difficult to notice things that aren't your problem.



I do not consider it a misfortune to have grown up there or to be a native Hawaiian. I consider it fortunate that you have left. I would consider that one's situation is different on the other islands, which are probably considered 'the sticks' compared to Honolulu. I would doubt that your experiences would be any different than any other rural area in the continental US.


Hmmmm... I don't believe I said that it was a misfortune to be a Native Hawaiian. But I did say that it is a misfortune to grow up there, although depending on your circumstances. Local Whites are conscious of the racism, but have learned to live with it, and locals and Native Hawaiians seem to be completely oblivious, as I said to Fenrir, because the problem doesn't apply to them. All of the other problems described in previous posts, such as a total lack of Western customer service, general lack of Western work ethic, and a general lack of planning (especially where inventory and roads are concerned) still apply, as they are vibrant on ALL of the Hawai'ian Islands. If you grew up there, and especially if you haven't had the opportunity to leave very often, these things aren't very noticeable, as they're just the way things are. But when you come from a place like the Western United States, where customer service is central to how your performance is evaluated in any job, then you'd understand.


And no, you will not run into a number of these problems in the rural Continental United States, at least not in the American West. Telling someone of another color that they're not allowed to use the phone or the bathroom is just simply taboo... even in small towns, and the value of customer service here will cause anyone doing so to either be fired, or if in terms of being a business owner, to just lose their customer base. There are exceptions, but they are very few, and you certainly would never find that kind of behavior as an institutionalized reality in an area as big as Hilo or Kona. It's just not done. And I consider myself EXTREMELY fortunate to have been able to get out of there, thank you.


But... I'm hijacking the topic. I'm sorry. The only way I can see a Hawaiian Monarchy surviving into the present day is if someone else were to have taken over, but I just don't think its possible under the United States. Although perhaps if the Hawaiians had fought just a little bit harder when the Americans imprisoned their queen... but that would probably have just resulted in an even more violent backlash and take over eventually.
 
But its not there any more. The French abolished it.

Wallis and Futuna, which is a French overseas territory (and as such an integral part of the republic), still has three kings, and they have an official role albeit a minor one. I seem to remember the French government getting involved in a succession crisis there a few years back.
 
Wallis and Futuna, which is a French overseas territory (and as such an integral part of the republic), still has three kings, and they have an official role albeit a minor one. I seem to remember the French government getting involved in a succession crisis there a few years back.

I only have a passing knowledge of French colonial history in the Far East and the Pacific. However, I think the way things work out are usually dependent upon who the French have out in the field and if they are really ambitious. It was probably the usual track, similar to the British in Egypt and elsewhere, where the Paris appointed advisors slowly amassed addition power and then engineered the abolishment of the native government.
 
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