Superpower Empire: China

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Hendryk

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Strategos' Risk said:
Is most of Africa still in underdevelopment or tragedy? I keep on thinking there’s at least one sad place in this TL. I mean, it seems a much more pleasant place than OTL, but it can’t be all sunshine and happiness.
You're quite right. Although the world in this TL is comparatively better off than in OTL, with a higher average standard of living (because much of Asia has developed earlier and has been at peace since 1945), it hardly means everybody is fine. Most of Africa is still a poverty-ridden place suffering from chronic misrule and devastating diseases. It's the continent that has been least affected by my POD, and as such is in as dreadful a shape in this TL as it is in OTL.
This being said, although Brasil and to a smaller extent Argentina and Chile have benefited from Chinese trade and investment, Latin America isn't significantly more developed than in OTL either. Brasil is beginning to get its act together and, with quiet Chinese support, is generally becoming a regional power, but many Latin Americans still live below the poverty line.
 
Hendryk said:
12. After 1912, Chinese politics evolve into a two-party system, although the opposition is informally barred from power until the 1950s. The majority party, Growth and Stability, is actually a mouthpiece for the executive for the first half-century of its existence, at which point it elaborates an actual platform. Its members are mostly the traditional elite, former backers of Yuan and then Kang, and assorted advocates of strong government; its ideological profile evolves after the democratization of the 1970s to become gradually less Burkean and more Smithian, somewhat like the German CDU. Supporters of Sun Yat-sen, once the Tongmenghui has self-dissolved, set up the Guomindang (the National People's Party), which becomes the left-wing opposition, with a social-democratic platform. Another left-wing party, the Progressive Party, is created in the 1960s around a libertarian (by Chinese standards) platform.

Yeah, but the original Growth and Stability party would be like the Chiputang under Liang Qichao in OTL, which was also called the Progressives. They were much fewer than the Kuomindang, and so I have found few references to them.

Do you have any info about other fledgling parties at that time in OTL that weren't combined into those two? Most did that, or were part of a "Military Party". Interestingly, there were lots of little factions, too, like pro-Manchu factions and one that actually supported the Japanese in Manchukuo.

More questions, heh:
1. Is Chinese traditional dress more prevalent in your TL? I often seen Indians dressed in saris in the U.S., but never any East Asians. I suppose after the first few emperors they start to dress more in opulence, but Kang wouldn't want to seem like the Qing he replaced.
2. How much weaker is the Soviet Union in this TL?
 
Hendryk, I love the timeline, but I have several questions:

1. The Tangshan earthquake happened in 1976 and destroyed the city, killing a quarter million people. It will still occur in this TL. Will there be greater loss of life? OTOH, this will lead to the Chinese building buildings that can withstand earthquakes.

2. What happened to George W. Bush and John Kerry in this TL?

3. What is the level of terrorism in this TL?

Keep it up, this is a great timeline!!!!
 

Hendryk

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Unknown said:
Hendryk, I love the timeline, but I have several questions:

1. The Tangshan earthquake happened in 1976 and destroyed the city, killing a quarter million people. It will still occur in this TL. Will there be greater loss of life? OTOH, this will lead to the Chinese building buildings that can withstand earthquakes.

2. What happened to George W. Bush and John Kerry in this TL?

3. What is the level of terrorism in this TL?

Keep it up, this is a great timeline!!!!
1. The Tangshan earthquake indeed happens in this TL (geology, after all, is pretty indifferent to human history). The loss of life is somewhat smaller, as the buildings are up to safety standards, but thousands of people still die.

2. John Kerry obviously doesn't go to Vietnam, except as a tourist, but with his patrician background and family connexions, still makes a decent political career as a Senator for Massachusetts. George W. Bush doesn't have a religious experience, remains a failed businessman and a alcoholic, and is kept at arms' length by his relatives; instead his brother Jeb becomes the GOP candidate in the 2004 elections, and loses to incumbent Al Gore. Incidentally, Jeb is governor of South Carolina, as Florida, without the exile Cuban community, leans on the Democratic side.

3. The short answer is: lower. Details are coming up in my next installment.
 

Hendryk

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Strategos' Risk said:
1. Is Chinese traditional dress more prevalent in your TL? I often seen Indians dressed in saris in the U.S., but never any East Asians. I suppose after the first few emperors they start to dress more in opulence, but Kang wouldn't want to seem like the Qing he replaced.
2. How much weaker is the Soviet Union in this TL?
1. Chinese dress, and East Asian dress styles in general except in Japan, retain more traditional elements than in OTL; India is a good example of that. Just as many Indian women in OTL wear saris, in this TL you see many Chinese women in qipao, many Vietnamese women in ao dai, etc (although it seems the ao dai has enjoyed something of a comeback in recent years).

2. The Soviet Union disintegrated in 1991, in the same general conditions as in OTL.
 

Hendryk

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1990-2004 : And then there were two

By the early 1990s, China as a whole is no longer in a phase of extensive development, but in one of intensive development : while the level of economic activity in the provinces of the hinterland (with the exception of Sichuan) remain comparatively lower than in the coastal provinces, the gap is narrowing, and the completion of most infrastructural projects causes a relative slowdown of the growth rate ; from then on, China is a First World economy in its own right. In 1992, the average per capita income in Guangdong, Fujian, Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Hebei and Shandong is equal to Germany’s, and slightly lower but catching up in Guangxi, Hubei, Sichuan and Liaoning ; in 2004, it is equal in the aforementioned provinces to California’s ; some 580 million Chinese are now economically of middle class level or above. GDP parity with the USA is reached in 2003, and after that date China is the n°1 world economic power.
The Chinese economy benefits to no small extent from the quantum leap in information technologies that takes place in the 1990s ; just as investments in more traditional sectors have reached saturation levels, hich-tech electronics and online services begin to pick up. In order to maximize the potential of those new activities, industrial parks devoted to hardware and software production are created in several locations, the largest of which is in the coastal city of Dalian. As India similarly develops in own electronic industry, businesses in both countries begin merging and concluding assorted deals with each other, leading to the development of what is now known as the Dalian-Bangalore Connexion. In 2004, China has the largest absolute number of PCs in the world, with the USA coming second and India third, which explains that 47% of all online communications are in Chinese. From the early 1990s onward, China also becomes a world pioneer in the development of fuel cells and alternative fuels, as the Chinese government seeks to reduce the country’s growing dependence on oil imports; from 1997, the first operational (and affordable) hybrid cars roll off the assembly lines, and by 2004 8% of Chinese vehicles are hybrids, including most public vehicles, and the proportion rises steadily.
Meanwhile, Chinese universities such as Beida and Fudan enroll a constantly rising number of foreign students not only from satellite countries and India but also, increasingly, the Western world, the Middle East and Africa, while enrollment figures in the overseas network of Chinese colleges rise at a similar pace.
The last few years of the 20th century further witness a shift in the flow of international investments : outward investment from China becomes almost as high as inward investment into the country, as Chinese businesses increasingly implant branches abroad or take over foreign firms. While economic links with satellite countries, the USA, Canada, Japan and Europe remain dynamic, China also becomes Australia and New Zealand’s first trading partner, and the second after the USA for Argentina, Chile, Brasil and Mexico. China thus expands its economic and cultural influence in the South Pacific, and makes promising inroads into Latin America.

In 2004, the total number of Chinese worldwide is 1,642 million, of which 79 million live outside of China. The breakdown is as follows :
ï® 29 million in vassal Asian countries, including 13 million in Malaysia (62% of the population), 5 million in Indonesia (2% of the population) and 4 million in Yakutia (35% of the population) ;
ï® 21 million in the USA (6% of the population) ;
ï® 15 million in the European Union (3% of the population) ;
ï® 6 million in Canada (17% of the population) ;
ï® 4 million in Australia (19% of the population) ;
ï® 2 million in Latin America, half of those in Brazil (0.8% of the population) ;
ï® 1 million in New Zealand (21% of the population) ;
ï® 1 million in South Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, the Pacific and Africa.

This diaspora is both highly economically dynamic and upwardly mobile. Its hold on the economy of China’s satellite states, which in several cases dates back centuries, grows more solid by the year ; and thanks to low-profile, family-based business networks that extend into every overseas Chinese community, as well as the growing integration of Chinese immigrants in the economy of their host societies, this influence—distinct from but contributing to the more classic trading links with China—begins to expand in the rest of the world. But second- and third-generation children of the diaspora take every avenue of social promotion, from the entertainment industry to politics. One of them is the current governor of California, Sonia Cheng, who moved many with her speech at the inauguration of the largest Buddhist temple in the USA, built in 2002 in San Francisco, when she praised Buddhism as "a religion that embraces science where others shun it ; a religion that gives compassion where others demand obedience ; a religion in the name of which no crusade was ever launched, nor any jihad fought."

The fall of Communism in Eastern Europe is followed within two years by the collapse of the USSR as a country ; and whereas the Soviet Union could at least project the appearance a superpower, post-Communist Russia is little more than a Third World state—and a rapidly depopulating one at that—leaving only the USA and China as global powers. The relationship between the two, while not altogether devoid of a strategic dimension, turns out to be primarily diplomatic, economic and cultural, as each deploys its "soft power" to increase its global influence. Each obviously retains a civilizational edge in its own sphere of influence, but, to an increasing extent, the two hegemonic cultures begin competing on each other’s turf. This Protean race is not the less intense for being mostly covert, and as pundits such as Joseph Nye and Benjamin Barber don’t fail to notice, it is the ultimate vindication of Sunzi’s theories over those of Clausewitz, for this "clash of civilizations" is a war without violence whose battlefields are the hearts and minds of people, and whose soldiers are universities, entertainment industries, religious organizations, websites and even restaurants. On one side are the Ivy League colleges, Hollywood, Christian missionary movements, Silicon Valley and McDonalds ; on the other, Beida/Fudan, the Shanghai and Hong Kong studio network, Buddhist NGOs, the Dalian-Bangalore Connexion and Chinese takeaways. It is, in a sense, the purest, most abstract form of warfare, between two different perceptions of history, humanity’s place in the world, and the nature of reality itself : a war between memes and possibly meta-memes. What people read, watch, hear, eat, wear and believe are so many vectors for the competition. However, as Korean scholar Park Sunghee writes, unlike conventional warfare, this conflict may ultimately turn out to be a positive-sum game, as it enriches the global cultural makeup ; in Taoist fashion, out of binary opposition a dynamic process greater than the sum of its parts can emerge. In the most controversial chapter of her seminal book "Two Beget Three : Making Sense of the Sino-US Civilizational Bipolarity" (2002), she speculates on how the global order may have turned out without this equilibrium :
"Let us imagine an international system in which there aren’t, as is the case, two competing hegemonic civilizations of equal influence, but only one. How such a system may have come into being is beside the point ; we shall simply, for the sake of argument, suppose it did. A single dominant civilization, whichever it may have been, would, lacking a counterbalance, have become overly assertive ; it would have aggressively attempted to remake weaker cultures in its image ; and these cultures, unable to compete on the same level—that of civilizational paradigms—would have responded with asymmetrical forms of resistance : petty obstructionism in the best cases, and endemic terrorism in the worst ones. A world in which a dominant civilization has no competitor would hardly be the peaceful one we have come to take for granted since the advent of the Sino-US bipolarity ; rather, it would be one of predatory cultural homogenization on the one hand, and endlessly recurrent acts of violent resistance on the other, the two trends indefinitely reinforcing one another."
 

Hendryk

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LordKalvan said:
well done, hendrik :)
Thank you.
Well, my ATL's main narrative has taken us to the present day, but that doesn't mean everything has been said about it. All questions are welcome.
 

Hendryk

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At long last, here is a map of Asia. I didn't bother with all borders, just the relevant ones.

Map Eurasia ATL 2.JPG
 

Hendryk

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I like this map as well. You can readily see how this TL has been kind not only to China, but also to India; and much less so to Russia.

Asia ATL.JPG
 

Hendryk

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Unknown said:
What happened to George W. Bush and John Kerry in this TL?
I have been considering a possible butterfly that would affect the US presidential list to a greater extent than I have described. George H. W. Bush was a Navy pilot during WW2; on September 2, 1944, his plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire during a raid on Chichi Jima, and he had to bail out at sea. In OTL, he was rescued by a submarine, the USS Finback. But, considering the alterations in the course of the war that I have detailed, one could easily butterfly away the presence of the sub in the vicinity, leaving George to drown or end up as shark fodder. Since he had not fathered any children yet, that would have been the end of the Bush dynasty. Of course, another possibility is to have him rescued by a Chinese ship, leading to an early interest for Chinese culture and possibly neo-Confucianism.
Of course, John Kennedy's survival after his PT boat was sunk on August 2, 1943, might just as easily be butterflied away, but since in this TL JFK lost the 1960 election against Nixon, this changes little.
One may say this is divergence for divergence's sake, as the overall political evolution of the USA won't be significantly altered either way from what I already wrote, but I'd like to know what you guys think about it.
 
Here’s my idea of how the political scene was in the early days of the Zhong dynasty:
In OTL Liang Qichao was a prominent member of the little-known and littler Progressive Party of the Chiputang. The party favored Yuan before he became a dictator, so they were basically more conservative, monarchist types, though I don’t know if they had the support of the military. In your ATL they are a more mainstream party, led by Qichao (and possibly Sun) and agreeing with the creation of a constitutional party. In fact, they eventually become the Growth and Stability Party, and lose the Progressive name. The Nationalists are republican, but more conservative than in OTL (since they fear punishment from the army), and eventually disintegrate once opposition parties are banned. Though they are conservative, they absorb those more radical than the monarchists, such as people who would otherwise be in OTL’s CCP. Many who were in OTL’s Nationalist go over to the Progressives/Growth and Stability Party, including key leaders.
I know you have a clear idea of how the National People’s Party get their start, so I won’t try to guess it.

Another thought: Christian missionaries would probably be monitored, since I suppose the emperor is still considered (formally) the Son of Heaven. However, I think Christianity would be as popular in China as in OTL. After all, Sun-Yat Sen was a Christian and maybe a sort of “Confucianism reconciled with Biblical law†can be found. After all, there were Christian Socialists, so why not Christian Confucians?

You know what would be crazy? If a fringe movement based on the Taiping becomes popular, kind of like Hare Krishna or the current American fascination with Gnosticism.

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This year Koei outdid itself with not just one quick sequel to last year’s Call of Honor: China Theater: First Wave, but two- China Theater: Against the Tide and Yakutia Theater: Puppet War[/I]. The original was developer Koei’s first FPS game, set in the border scuffle in Manchuria that started the Great War of the East. Though well-done and very realistic, many complained that the game finished too quickly, as it took only a weekend to get through the initial attack. The ending was pretty much a bust, too, seeing as the war isn’t over and the Nihonese Scourge is still on your property!

Well, Koei still hasn’t finished the war, but you do get to fight in more of it in Against the Tide. Even though not as many different sides as in the European Theater games were available (you could play as the Japanese if you beat the game, but only for a few missions), players really liked the multiple roles. The first mission was a quiet border skirmish, the second was a massive defensive battle (have you ever wanted to play as the machine-gunners on D-Day, but as a good guy?), and culminating in a massive counterattack later on. In Against the Tide you play as either a saboteur on occupied territory, a defender at the invasions of Hong Kong and Hainan, and best of all, a fighter at Kaifeng, multiple roles for the three campaigns within the game. Playing partisan is extremely cool, as there is a role-playing aspect to it, not unlike Ex Machina, except without the boring parts of actual RPGs. As part of the resistance, you sneak past Imperial Japanese guards in a realistic replica of Beijing, committing random acts of anarchy. Unlike RPGs, you’re not sent on fetch and receive missions, and instead the real meat and potatoes- protecting resistance transmitters, destroying transports, and even assassinating officers. As a moral conundrum, you are given the choice with killing collaborators, or disobeying orders to side with a minority faction of your resistance cell. The moral compass system in the campaign even allows you to turn on your fellow partisans and side with Manchukuo.

The other two campaigns are straightforward but intense. If you thought the last stand at Yalu was extreme in the first game, you haven’t been to the Island Invasions. However, they’re nothing compared to the tour de force of the game and maybe the entire franchise, no matter the Theater- the defense of Kaifeng is every bit as insane as the assault on the Teuton Castle* and the smashing of Stalingrad** in the European Theater. No words can describe the Verdun of the East- you have to play it yourself.

The extreme realism, ease of controls, and sheer variety of the title makes it one of the best games this season, and is enough to fill up two games.

…Which compensates for the sparseness of Puppet War, probably just a bad joke the developers thought of while drunk at the company party after they finished Against the Tide. Since the Call of Honor series is based on broad categories, creating a Theater just for little Yakutia is just excessive and smacks of a quick cash scheme. Not only is the game buggier and less polished than the other two, Puppet War there is basically one role: retreating defender, retreating defender, retreating defender. Well, you do get a short stint as a partisan fighter, but it’s much less compelling than in Against the Tide. Defending and retreating is fun for the first mission, but then boring from then on. Additionally, the art direction is nothing new- bombed and burnt shelters in a snowy landscape has already been done in European Theater: Allied Attack and Red Flag Rising. The only other notables are the brief roles on a Cossack White Russian cavalry force and as a tankjacker. Otherwise, there’s nothing new at all.

Despite the disappointment of the laughable Yakuita Theater, Koei has made an instant classic with Against the Tide, a game definitely in the top three best games of the year. The best thing about it is the war isn’t even over- next year Koei is releasing Dragon Awakened, the end of the China Theater, and Departing Darkness, the brief invasion of the Japanese home islands and the little-known, final battles in Europe fought by the Zhong Expeditionary Force.

Of course, there are two inside jokes to this: Koei, which in OTL makes strategy wargames (somewhat role-playing) that I doubt few in the West actually play as well as button-mashing fighting games set in medieval China, cranks out sequels at an incredibly fast pace, often with few changes between games. The second in-joke is my observation that there is a distinct paucity of World War II simulator games set in Asia, other than Medal of Honor: Rising Sun, which is in the Pacific. OTL’s role for China in WWII is pretty bleak; not many would want to play the Rape of Nanking.

However, there should be a Flying Tigers flight simulator.

*I made this up, since I don’t know what were the final big battles of the Medal of Honor and Call of Duty games.
** Do you mind if I make the Soviets lose this one to a successful German break-in? They are weaker in your timeline.
 

Hendryk

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Strategos' Risk said:
Here’s my idea of how the political scene was in the early days of the Zhong dynasty:
In OTL Liang Qichao was a prominent member of the little-known and littler Progressive Party of the Chiputang. The party favored Yuan before he became a dictator, so they were basically more conservative, monarchist types, though I don’t know if they had the support of the military. In your ATL they are a more mainstream party, led by Qichao (and possibly Sun) and agreeing with the creation of a constitutional party. In fact, they eventually become the Growth and Stability Party, and lose the Progressive name. The Nationalists are republican, but more conservative than in OTL (since they fear punishment from the army), and eventually disintegrate once opposition parties are banned. Though they are conservative, they absorb those more radical than the monarchists, such as people who would otherwise be in OTL’s CCP. Many who were in OTL’s Nationalist go over to the Progressives/Growth and Stability Party, including key leaders.
I know you have a clear idea of how the National People’s Party get their start, so I won’t try to guess it.
Interesting suggestions. And you're spot on about the National People's Party: after it gets pushed to the left of the political spectrum by the pro-Imperial faction, it becomes a mainstream social-democratic party and attracts those elements who, in OTL, ended up joining the CCP. However, after the first few years, when it becomes obvious even to Sun and his most faithful followers that the new dynasty is here to stay, the "republican" ideal becomes little more than an abstract objective (much like, say, "public ownership of the means of production" in post-WW2 European socialist parties) and is over time dropped altogether. Also, Kang's regime isn't exactly one-party rule: opposition parties--that is, mostly the NPP--are tolerated, but they are blocked from actually winning elections by various informal impediments, like the Socialists and the Zentrum in Wilhelmine Germany. After the regime undergoes democratic reforms in the post-war years, the NPP gets to become the majority party on at least two occasions, in 1965 and 1979.
Strategos' Risk said:
Another thought: Christian missionaries would probably be monitored, since I suppose the emperor is still considered (formally) the Son of Heaven. However, I think Christianity would be as popular in China as in OTL. After all, Sun-Yat Sen was a Christian and maybe a sort of “Confucianism reconciled with Biblical law†can be found. After all, there were Christian Socialists, so why not Christian Confucians?

You know what would be crazy? If a fringe movement based on the Taiping becomes popular, kind of like Hare Krishna or the current American fascination with Gnosticism.
Christian missionaries are definitely monitored, and the regime does everything it can to discourage them short of banning them outright, at least until the 1960s when that policy is relaxed somewhat. Everyone remembers the tragedy of the Taiping rebellion, when a disgruntled hothead was converted by missionaries, fancied himself "brother of Jesus" and started a civil war that claimed more than 20 million lives; and the authorities keep in mind that throughout the late Qing dynasty, missionary activity was often both a justification and a prelude to Western encroachment. Except in the foreign concessions until they are returned to Chinese rule in 1945 and in Hong Kong and Macau until the retrocessions of 1953, missionaries realize they operate under numerous constraints, and most churches decide to focus their missionary operations elsewhere.
Christianity therefore wouldn't be as popular in contemporary China as in OTL. Perhaps 2 to 3% of the population would have converted (similar figure as in OTL Taiwan), just as an equal percentage of the Western population would have converted to Taoism and Buddhism, as a result of the post-Cold War cultural exchange between the Chinese and Western civilizational spheres.
After 1912, the Jesuits would indeed try to work on a "Confucianism reconciled with Biblical law", as they had in the 17th and 18th centuries, but the results would remain largely confined to theological circles. OTOH, something akin to "Socialist Confucianism" would emerge in the 1920s, based on a reinterpretation of Mencius's more progressive theories, and would resemble Fabian Labour in ideological outlook. Some, on the left wing of the NPP (and even the NPP's chairman from 1956 to 1973, one Zhou Enlai), would be influenced by it.
Strategos' Risk said:
Advertisement from the December 2004 issue of Electronic Gaming World, a U.S. video game magazine…
Great stuff :cool: Wargamers would indeed have a field day with the Chinese front!
Strategos' Risk said:
Do you mind if I make the Soviets lose this one to a successful German break-in? They are weaker in your timeline.
Be my guest. I originally had a stalemate in mind, but a German victory in Stalingrad means that, on the Russian front, the turnaround comes later, with the battle of Kursk. So Chinese reinforcements are all the more needed by January 1945. However, whether the Soviets push harder after 1943 or Stalin negociates deftly at Yalta and Potsdam, the post-war borders in Europe look much the same in my TL as they did in OTL. (Okay, let the US get to Vienna first and perhaps seize Slovenia--but Germany definitely gets split).
 

Hendryk

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For the aircraft buffs among you, here is an overview of the planes and helicopters imported or licence-made by China from 1915 to 2005.

Type of plane/First deployed/Retired/Exporting or licence-owning country
Fighters
Vickers FEB 1915 1917 United Kingdom
RAF FE2 1915 1922 United Kingdom
Nieuport 17 1917 1925 France
SPAD XIII 1917 1925 France
Fokker DXI 1924 1929 Netherlands
Fokker DXIII 1929 1934 Netherlands
Fokker DXVI 1930 1934 Netherlands
Fokker DXVII 1932 1938 Netherlands
Dewoitine D510 1934 1939 France
Fokker DXXI 1937 1943 Netherlands
Fokker G1 1938 1945 Netherlands
Dewoitine D520 1939 1947 France
Bloch MB155 1940 1943 France
Lockheed P38 Lightning 1942 1949 USA
Republic P47 Thunderbolt 1943 1958 USA
North American P51 Mustang 1944 1951 USA
Northrop P61 Black Widow 1944 1952 USA
Grumman F8F Bearcat 1945 1953 USA
De Havilland Vampire 1946 1963 United Kingdom
De Havilland Venom 1951 1964 United Kingdom
Saab Tunnan 1952 1972 Sweden
Hawker Hunter 1954 1979 United Kingdom
De Havilland Sea Vixen 1958 1973 United Kingdom
Saab Draken 1960 1998 Sweden
Douglas F4 Phantom II 1967 1992 USA
Saab Viggen 1972 Sweden
Panavia Tornado 1985 Germany/Italy/UK
Saab Gripen 1993 Sweden

Ground attack aircraft
Douglas A1 Skyraider 1947 1976 USA
BAC 167 Strikemaster 1962 1983 United Kingdom
Grumman OV10 Bronco 1969 USA
Fairchild Republic A10 1978 USA

Bombers
Caudron G4 1915 1919 France
Vickers Vimy 1918 1927 United Kingdom
Hawker Horsley 1927 1938 United Kingdom
Boulton/Paul Sidestrand 1928 1935 United Kingdom
Potez 54 1934 1939 France
Fairey Swordfish 1936 1940 United Kingdom
Douglas TBD Devastator 1937 1942 USA
Vickers Wellington 1938 1945 United Kingdom
Bréguet 691 1939 1943 France
Douglas A20 Havoc 1940 1944 USA
Douglas SBD Dauntless 1940 1945 USA
Boeing B17 Flying Fortress 1941 1945 USA
Douglas B25 Mitchell 1941 1953 USA
Grumman TBF Avenger 1942 1968 USA
Boeing B29 Superfortress 1943 1959 USA
Douglas A26 Invader 1944 1970 USA
Consolidated B36 1950 1962 USA
English Electric Canberra 1951 1988 United Kingdom
Grumman S2 Tracker 1955 USA
Avro 698 Vulcan 1957 1989 United Kingdom
Boeing B52 Stratofortress 1961 USA
British Aerospace Buccaneer 1965 1998 United Kingdom
Grumman A6 Intruder 1969 USA
Lockheed S3A Viking 1976 USA

Transports
Douglas DC1 1933 1935 USA
Douglas C33 1934 1941 USA
Noorduyn C64A Norseman 1936 1975 Canada
Douglas C39 1937 1942 USA
Douglas C47 Skytrain 1940 1970 USA
Curtiss-Wright C46 1942 1983 USA
Blackburn Beverly 1955 1991 United Kingdom
Boeing KC135 Stratotanker 1957 1978 USA
Fokker F27 Friendship 1959 Netherlands
Pilatus PC6 Turbo-porter 1961 Switzerland
Lockheed C141 Starlifter 1967 USA
Lockheed C5 Galaxy 1970 USA
Kawasaki C1 1972 Japan
Shorts C23 Sherpa 1982 United Kingdom
Douglas C17 Globemaster 1997 USA
Airbus A400 2006 European Union

Observation aircraft
Fokker CVD 1926 1939 Netherlands
Bloch MB 174 1939 1945 France
Auster I 1939 1943 United Kingdom
Stinson L5 Sentinel 1942 1961 USA
Grumman OV1 Mohawk 1961 USA
Piaggio P166 1968 Italy

Amphibious aircraft
Dornier Wal 1923 1936 Germany
Bernard H52 C1 1934 1945 France
Bréguet 521 Bizerte 1935 1940 France
Supermarine Walrus 1936 1945 United Kingdom
Short Sunderland 1938 1951 United Kingdom
Consolidated PBY Catalina 1940 1972 USA
Martin Mariner 1941 1957 USA
Grumman UH16 Albatross 1949 1989 USA
Martin Marlin 1953 1976 USA
Shin Meiwa SS2 1975 Japan

Helicopters
Sikorsky S51 1948 1964 USA
Bell 47 1952 1983 USA
Sikorsky S55 1953 1976 USA
McCulloch MC4C 1953 1971 USA
Piasecki H21 1957 1969 USA
Aérospatiale Alouette 1962 France
Bell UH1 1963 USA
Westland Wasp 1963 1994 United Kingdom
Boeing Vertol CH47 Chinook 1964 USA
Bell AH1 Cobra 1970 USA
Aérospatiale Dauphin 1972 France
Sikorsky S67 Blackhawk 1975 USA
Westland/Aérospatiale Lynx 1978 France/UK
Sikorsky MH53 1983 USA
Eurocopter Tiger 1996 France/Germany
EADS NH90 2003 Fr/Ger/Ita/NL

Training aircraft
Blériot-SPAD S42 1922 1932 France
De Havilland Tiger Moth 1932 1948 United Kingdom
North American AT6 Texan 1940 1983 USA
CESSNA Model 150 1948 1985 USA
North American T28 Trojan 1951 1969 USA
Saab 105 1965 Sweden
British Aerospace Hawk 1976 United Kingdom
Pilatus PC9 1985 Switzerland

Electronic warfare aircraft
Grumman EA6A Intruder 1971 USA
Grumman E2C Hawkeye 1976 USA
Boeing E3 AWACS Sentry 1978 USA
Lockheed ES3A Viking 1991 USA
 
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Hendryk

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I am facing a bit of a writer's block with my other TL, about the discovery of America by Admiral Zheng He in 1435. So meanwhile I feel like toying further with this one...
 
Peter said:
Interesting, but Japan is doing way to good. This China would never let go of Manchuria in the first place, and they wouldn't be weak enough to allow the sort of full scale invasion that happened historically. Nor would Japan have the neccesary colonies from which to launch the invasion.


i have to agree but i think somebody is going to try to take over Japan or China in the future...with the technology that is coming out in todays world, people are going to be having H-Bombs in thier garage, but the people that try to will fail because those to nations over years have grown to be very big and wealthy. China has everything we have except a democracy.

But dont we have something agaisnt China and/or Japan? just wondering cause what would USA do if they heard of somebody invading would we stick our nose in somebodys business again like Vietnam?
 
Just got around to reading this Hendryk, and wanted to give my compliments.

Job well done.
 

Hendryk

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MBarry829 said:
Job well done.
Thank you.

Well, since this TL has momentarily made it back to Page 1, I'll take advantage to add some minor technical tidbit, in case it inspires wargamers of Stratego's persuasion. Namely, the types of firearms used by the Chinese military:

Main assault gun:
1912-1945: Lee-Enfield Mk. III rifle
1928-1948: Schmeisser MP-28 SMG (initially for special forces, later issued to partisans and common soldiers as well)
1941-1950s: Sten SMG
1951-1980s: FN FAL
1983-present day: licence-made 7.65 mm version of the Steyr AUG (the Chinese military has remained faithful to heavier rounds)

Sidearm:
1912-1940s: Mauser M-1896 "Broomhandle" in 9 mm version
1945-1980s: Walther P-38
1980-present day: Walther P-5
1997-present day: Glock 20
 
I am think the take over of Russian land far too easy. The Soviet Union not putting up more of a fight to regain what is theirs? I am thinking not.
 
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