Superpower Australia- stronger Australian Military

True . The Ship would give the Australians a lot more capability to operate Modern Jet fighters such as the F-4K. It would however require a SLEP to really make it worth while. This might give it another 20 year or 25 if one pushed it.
 
True . The Ship would give the Australians a lot more capability to operate Modern Jet fighters such as the F-4K. It would however require a SLEP to really make it worth while. This might give it another 20 year or 25 if one pushed it.

HMS Victorious is a definate no no. For starters, she was lauched in 1939 and despite a rebuild in the 50's was well worn out 1969 and had it not been for a small fire and political intervention, she was slated to retire in 1972 anyhow. On top of that she could only carry 36 aircraft (only 6 more than the Centaur Class) and had a crew of 2400 (1100 more than a Centaur Class). The Aussies simply wouldn't have been able to man her and would of had little added gain over Centaur.

Russell
 
Perhaps what might work would be a SEA CONTROL Ship These could be larger than the British Illustrious class thus making them more capable. Below is the Fisrst of the designs dating from 1970. It is small but the ship design got bigger.

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The next years design saw an increase in size and capability but still the design needed more refinement. Here is the 1971 design:

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Yes the Vicky was knackered by 1969 and had a huge (expensive) crew and to put a powerful airgroup on it would unbalance the force structure of the ADF.
 

abc123

Banned
OK, let's stick to HMS Centaur.
;)

Airgroup: 20-24 A-4 Skyhawk, 4 E-1 Tracer for AEW, 4 Seak King for ASW and 2 Sea King for SAR.
OK?
 
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Perhaps consider using the F-8 as well to provide an improved CAP capability for the fleet. So the mix might become:

8 F-8

12 A-4

4 S-2 Tracker

4 Sea kings.
 

abc123

Banned
Perhaps consider using the F-8 as well to provide an improved CAP capability for the fleet. So the mix might become:

8 F-8

12 A-4

4 S-2 Tracker

4 Sea kings.


AEW capability is nescesarry if you don't want to have one very expencive artificial reef...
;)
 
You should only have 1 aircraft type, having F8 and A4 pushes the costs up dramatically. I'd like the F8 with expanded ground pounder capacity, because it's fast and cool but I wonder about it's very high landing speed on a small 28kt carrier when it used to crash into much longer 32kt Essexs, although the French mods may make it possible.

AEW isn't really a must for Australia right from the very start, we could probably wait until the E1 was retired from the USN in 1977 and do an upgrade. We'd still be an early adopter and have an edge over everyone else in the wider region without the cost of buying it new and carrying it through the intervening decade with no real threat to make it crucial.
 

abc123

Banned
Witha Carnation Revolution in Portugal, new Portuguese Goverment decided to rapidly ditch all portuguese colonies. One of them was Eastern Timor.
When East Timorese political parties were first legalised in April 1974, three major players emerged. The Timorese Democratic Union (UDT), was dedicated to preserving East Timor as a protectorate of Portugal and in September announced its support for independence.[6] Fretilin endorsed "the universal doctrines of socialism", as well as "the right to independence",[7] and later declared itself "the only legitimate representative of the people".[8] A third party, Apodeti emerged advocating East Timor's integration with Indonesia[9] expressing concerns that an independent East Timor would be economically weak and vulnerable.[10]


Indonesia, on the other hand, seemed intrested for annexing of Eastern Timor, but, learned with WNG experience, feared of Australian reaction.
So Indonesia approached Australian Government about the issue.

Australia didn't wanted that Eastern Timor slides into chaos, but also wanted to preventing that it becomes part of Indonesia. Niether side wanted that Eastern Timor becomes communist stronghold.

So, Australia decided that she supports independent Eastern Timor, but that civil war between political groups there must be stopped. Cooperation with Indonesia on that agenda was desired.

Indonesian leaders were stranded between desire to annex ET and desire not to turn Australia into enemy and maybe even start a war with Australia.
 

abc123

Banned
You should only have 1 aircraft type, having F8 and A4 pushes the costs up dramatically. I'd like the F8 with expanded ground pounder capacity, because it's fast and cool but I wonder about it's very high landing speed on a small 28kt carrier when it used to crash into much longer 32kt Essexs, although the French mods may make it possible.

AEW isn't really a must for Australia right from the very start, we could probably wait until the E1 was retired from the USN in 1977 and do an upgrade. We'd still be an early adopter and have an edge over everyone else in the wider region without the cost of buying it new and carrying it through the intervening decade with no real threat to make it crucial.


Only one aircraft will be bought, and that will be Douglas A-4 Skyhawk.
About AEW, I believe that enough E-1 Tracers could be bought from US Navy because they have bogun to replace them with Hawkeye in 1964.
And Australia doesen't needs more than 4-6 E-1 anyway.
 

abc123

Banned
Only one aircraft will be bought, and that will be Douglas A-4 Skyhawk.
About AEW, I believe that enough E-1 Tracers could be bought from US Navy because they have bogun to replace them with Hawkeye in 1964.
And Australia doesen't needs more than 4-6 E-1 anyway.


Merry Christmas to all of you.
 
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