I thinks it's more due to the technology being so new and I also think that it will lead to the creation of meassures to improve survivability in case of engine fire.

Or if there was really sabotage, which I don't really see a point in as compared to delaying a nuclear program significantly, crashing a single prototype might sound bad at first, but it also might make junker reallize that there a points of failure in their machine and lead to the creation of new techniques to detect such flaws.

It might even lead to the creation of a organization that investigates plane crashes. It will also tipp off the German security agencies that they have some unwanted visitors in places they really ought not to be in.
 
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I think more likely it's just the problem with standing on the leading edge of technology - sometimes you fall off.
This is just one of those times. The engineers will work from the remains and the test pilots' logs and the next version will not have this fault.
It may have a brand new one but that's how development is really.
I could easily be random, but why then write a chapter about it? Unless it somehow derails the German aviation Industry.
 
I could easily be random, but why then write a chapter about it? Unless it somehow derails the German aviation Industry.

Because right now it's highlighting that Germany has started in on the passenger jet. That was the UK, OTL, which isn't to say that they aren't in it. That said, even a commercial plane can test a lot of technology that has military application, like the hydraulic assist. I fully expect it has the rectangle windows, as did earlier passenger planes, and that will be an issue as well in the future...
 
Because right now it's highlighting that Germany has started in on the passenger jet. That was the UK, OTL, which isn't to say that they aren't in it. That said, even a commercial plane can test a lot of technology that has military application, like the hydraulic assist. I fully expect it has the rectangle windows, as did earlier passenger planes, and that will be an issue as well in the future...
That might be it, cant wait till PM throws another bone.
 
Well did mention it was Military Civilian project. could be why there ejection seats were there. A 707 size plane? of going jumbo? Might be too soon for a 747 type plane.
 

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Well unless I misread it, the entire nacelle was gone. I suspect that the failure was a bit more serious than a simple engine fire, but without knowing how Junkers designed the beast, any inference into how big of a problem it is isn't meaningful.

It could be nothing but teething problems, or they could have to scrap the whole design.
 
I thinks it's more due to the technology being so new and I also think that it will lead to the creation of meassures to improve survivability in case of engine fire.

Or if there was really sabotage, which I don't really see a point in as compared to delaying a nuclear program significantly, crashing a single prototype might sound bad at first, but it also might make junker reallize that there a points of failure in their machine and lead to the creation of new techniques to detect such flaws.

It might even lead to the creation of a organization that investigates plane crashes. It will also tipp off the German security agencies that they have some unwanted visitors in places they really ought not to be in.

IMHO it was probably a failure of either the fan stage (new technology) or the turbine stage (usual suspect) coming apart that did the initial damage and the loss of hydraulics that caused the crash. I watch the Air Disasters teevee show and engine failures of this kind are not unheard of even today.

Yeah, Germany needs to lead the way with an NTSB-type organization not connected to their FAA-equivalent.
 
A lot of people dont realize but the nacelles are designed to break away as to not damage the wing. That is what happened to a DC-10 in Chicago. The engine was not mounted properly after an engine change. I ripped hydraulic lines and the plane crashed.
 
The point it's that in a sense it's emulating yet showing up differences with other Commercial airline projects.

Anyone remembers the Comet? Or the last McDonnell Douglas commercial airplane, the unfairly maligned DC-10?

In this case, we are seeing something like the Comet, but rather than ignore or chalk things to another factor, the Germans are certainly, true to their technical and professional focus, going to grind things to the ground, finding WHAT happened, HOW it happened, IF it can happen again, and if such, FIX it so that it doesn't happens AGAIN, but with civilians and crew inside instead of Test Pilots.
 
Part 43, Chapter 560
Chapter Five Hundred Sixty


4th September 1946

Wunsdorf-Zosen

Walter Horst was avoiding facing the realities of his situation by reading the newspaper and drinking his coffee. The story was about a plane crash. A prototype from Junkers had suffered a catastrophic engine failure, the Pilot had gotten the rest of the crew out before he’d bailed out himself. He’d been injured, nearly killed as a result of his actions. The Corporate Board of Junkers felt that Hauptmann Erich Hartmann should be decorated for his bravery and dedication. The Luftwaffe was debating how they would respond. It would be interesting to get Emil’s perspective on this matter, even if that was just an excuse to call an old friend.

The reality was that he had not the first clue as to what to do with himself. In July and August his family had finally made the trip to America that they had been talking about for years. New York City had been interesting and the next day they had been guests of General Patton at the West Point Military Academy. Finally, they had made the long journey to Arizona where Nina had been born and she hadn’t been back to since she was a little girl. Horst now had a clearer understanding on some of Piers Sjostedt’s attitudes about things from that experience. He’d seen first hand the grinding poverty of life on the Navajo Reservation when he’d met Piers and Nina’s Grandmother and Aunts who still lived there. He’d also become aware of an odd detail about his daughter.

Nizhoni had recently turned 14 and through an odd quirk of heredity more closely resembled one of the Diné than even her mother. Coal black hair, deep brown eyes and high cheekbones on a heart-shaped face mixed with the fair Danish complexion of her mother lent her an exotic air. She was becoming an extraordinarily attractive young woman before his eyes, much to his distress. He considered himself lucky that the social elevation that had come with the conclusion of the war had improved his children’s prospects. In a few years Nizhoni would be introduced to the Imperial Court as a Freiherrin, which was as much as he could do personally to ensure her future.

Of his two sons, David was about to turn 18, his mother had hopes that he would go to University, but he had already confided in Horst that he was angling for the Imperial Military Academy instead. While there was not a day that went by that Horst wasn’t thankful that neither of his boys had been old enough to fight in the Soviet War, he was proud that his oldest was going to follow in his footsteps. Wilhelm at 15 had proven to be the more studious of the two years earlier. He was probably going to end up as a Lawyer the way he loved to be a smart ass.

Horst himself was debating what he wanted the second act of his life to be. Nina had suggested that he consider continuing his education, proving that she was a Primary School Teacher to the core.


Berlin

Emil had been amazed by the response to the plane crash that had happened just south of Wittenberg. The Luftwaffe saw the loss of the Entwurf großeflugzeug 127 prototype as a major setback because they wanted that Transport and experimental aircraft were a part of his present responsibilities. For Junkers it was worse because it had been the testbed for a new generation of aircraft, engines and flight systems that were to have both military and civil applications, the Ju-300 series that the corporation’s fortunes for the next decade were resting on. For probably the only time in Emil’s career he was in a situation where all parties involved wanted the investigation to find the approximate cause of the accident. It was a refreshing change from all the times he’d had to deal with everyone trying to cover their own ass.

Already the aircraft was being reconstructed in Dessau by Junkers and because it was a prototype, the instruments onboard had recorded the crash, the bits that had survived that is. Even so it had already provided several insights into what had happened. Junkers was still working on that with the assistance of experts in data storage who had come down from Kiel, Naval Research. Emil had never heard of them before now. It was Emil’s personal hope that this would be a model for interagency cooperation in the future, but he wasn’t holding his breath.

In the meantime, there were other considerations. Erich Hartmann had spent his career as a fighter pilot in the closing days of the Soviet War and had flown escort missions in the Far East over Japan. While he hadn’t run up the high scores of many of his contemporaries, he had a solid record. The fact that he’d kept his head while things had come apart around him spoke well for his abilities. It was in the interest of the entire OKW that it found ways to reward gallantry and conduct outside of the confines of war that wouldn’t diminish the Orders and awards that were won in wartime. It was quite a tightrope to walk.

While Hartmann was laid up in the hospital with both his legs in casts, Emil authorized him to receive the wound badge in black and a life saving medal. He also recommended that he be mentioned personally in a communique to the Reichstag, that would give him the first Merit Cross in Gold issued since the end of the war but that would be up to the Chancellor.
 
A lot of people dont realize but the nacelles are designed to break away as to not damage the wing. That is what happened to a DC-10 in Chicago. The engine was not mounted properly after an engine change. I ripped hydraulic lines and the plane crashed.

Number 1 (left, captain's side) engine flew off depriving the captain's side of the instrument panel of electricity. The DC-10 had plenty of thrust with two other engines to keep going and the copilot's instruments were still working (number 3 engine, copilot's side). The plane crashed because only the captain's side of the cockpit had a stall-warning stick shaker. Recreations with a stick shaker on both sides resulted in successful takeoffs.

Look here for the wiki about it. Here's the wiki about another crash with a better outcome.
 
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Horst himself was debating what he wanted the second act of his life to be. Nina had suggested that he consider continuing his education, proving that she was a Primary School Teacher to the core.

The Military shall win in the end.

Horst shall become the teacher at a Military School in Germany. No way should Patton outrank him there. :p:p:p
 
Anybody who saw any hints as to what the Junkers prototype crash might mean? Is it industrial sabotage?
If the Americans find out what happened to their nuclear program this probably would be seen as a reasonable response.
Not quite, more like, this is the first, tiny little collecting of the interest of the debt of sabotage we owe you, payment in full is forthcoming.
 
Part 43, Chapter 561
Chapter Five Hundred Sixty-One


5th September 1946

Berlin

Mike Smith was enjoying the afternoon after having gone through the transcript of the interview with Nancy Jensen, highlighting the portions of interest and handing it off to a special courier who would have it in Arlington, Virginia for that analysts could take a crack at it. One more day in the glamourous life of an OSS Officer. The Jensen girl was useful in establishing the relationships between the power players here in Berlin. The fact that she had met Deputy of the CoC of the Luftwaffe High Command was of interest. Manfred von Richthofen was on his way out, the Kaiserliche Marine naming an Aircraft Carrier after him was a very clear sign of that. Generalfeldmarschall Emil Holz was already his designated successor and was expected to take over completely by the end of the year. It was good to get an impression from someone up close who didn’t look at him through a military lens.

The other matter of interest was that she had witnessed Katherine von Mischner get into an argument with Gianna Strobel over Jehane Thomas-Romanova. Of course, Nancy hadn’t understood the significance of that. It was well known that Countess von Mischner had been the protector of the Romanov heir. No one had seen the girl in the better part of a decade but there were certain powerful interests in the United States who were not happy to see her turn up alive and were worried that she would join her cousin Georgy, the Czar of Russia, in the lawsuits against them and the US Government.

Mike had realized that Jehane must have been present at Gianna Strobel’s birthday party and had done something to draw attention to herself. Mike considered the rumors about Jehane, if there was proof that money did not guarantee happiness it was her life. Justifiably paranoid and nervous, possibly a symptomatic carrier of hemophilia. Gianna Strobel and Asia Lawniczak were probably her only real friends if what Nancy had heard was true. Mike would have argued that it would have been better for her to remain lost. If they were lucky Nancy would meet Jehane and they would have the first description. Aiding Nancy Jensen in getting a work permit was a small price to pay for her continued useful service.

Mike looked to the next memo on his desk. The hornets nest had really been kicked over by a plane crash that week. The OSS had been unable to get people anywhere near there without the BII and the Federal Police performing a colonoscopy on them. He was forced to pass on just what was in the German Press. He figured that Washington wouldn’t be happy with that but if they thought they could do better they were welcome to try.

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Doug had been expecting a hysterical reaction from his mother when she found out about his quasi-engagement to Kat. He figured out that he might have underestimated that reaction when he got a telegram from his father saying that his Mother, with Emma in tow, had boarded a plane that was going to arrive at Tempelhof Airport that evening. Doug had little choice but to meet them at the airport.

“I don’t see how you sit in that little metal tube for hours on end regularly” Were the first words that his Mother had said to him as had them. As soon as their Mother’s back was turned Emma looked at Doug with a delighted expression on her face, “Did you really ask Kat to marry you?” She asked in an excited whisper.

“I asked her to think about it” Doug replied in a whisper.

Emma mouthed the word “Perfect” as Margot turned back around and scowled at her children.

It was fortunate that Margot didn’t want to talk at Doug in front of the cab driver even though the chances of him being able to understand the dialect of French his mother spoke when she was furious was next to nil. She stewed in silence through the ride into Berlin, the hotel lobby as Doug checked his Mother and Sister in. “I stayed here when I first got assigned to Europe and hadn’t found an apartment yet” He said, “It’s nice.”

Margot clearly didn’t care about that and Emma looked around in awe at the ornate lobby as they made their way to the elevators. There were Elevator Operators here much to Margot’s frustration. She was fighting a lifetime’s conditioning regarding maintaining appearances while she very much wanted to throttle Douglas.

Once they got into the room Doug looked his Mother in the eye. “I know you’re upset but it’s only fair that I warn you that you are out of your element and you don’t exactly understand who you are dealing with here…”

With that the phone started ringing. When Margot picked it up she heard the voice of the real target of her wrath on the other side of the line. “Welcome to Berlin, Frau Blackwood” Katherine von Mischner said warmly.

“I don’t know how you bewitched someone as normally as levelheaded as my son but…” Margot started in.

“He only asked me to think about marrying him” Kat said cutting her off, “I’ve not made my mind up yet.”

“I don’t know who you think you are Miss von Mischner but…”

“I figure you’ll want a day to rest after traveling such a long distance” Kat said cutting Margot off again, “My Aunt Marcella is extending an invitation for lunch on Saturday. She and my Uncle Klaus would just love to meet you. My brother, sister-in-law and cousin will be there as well. We’ll have so much fun.”

“Listen you little bitch I’ve had it up to here with your games!” Margot yelled into the phone, “Don’t you dare disrespect me like…”

“I also feel that I ought to warn you that you might want to be careful if my father, Otto shows up” Kat said, “He’s not a very nice man…”

It sounded to Margot like Katherine was smiling the whole time she was talking. “I don’t care!” Margot yelled into the phone and slammed it down.

“Can you believe the nerve of that woman!” Margot yelled at Doug and Emma who were staring at her.

“You know how I said you didn’t know who you were dealing with” Doug said, “She called you.”

“Yeah, so!” Margot said, she clearly wasn’t thinking things through.

“How did she know which room to call and what language was she speaking?” Doug asked.

That was when it sunk in that the entire exchange had been in Quebecois French. Doug had no idea where Kat would have picked that up and taught it to Gianna but he had a dark suspicion that he didn’t want to know.
 
“How did she know which room to call and what language was she speaking?” Doug asked.

That was when it sunk in that the entire exchange had been in Quebecois French. Doug had no idea where Kat would have picked that up and taught it to Gianna but he had a dark suspicion that he didn’t want to know.
pure gold this part
 
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