And America never transported it gold to Europe, so America takes the gold that is in Europe's account and transfers it to American accounts.

That is just a total non-sequitur. Nobody has mentioned American gold going anywhere as it is completely irrelevant. In OTL, gold was transferred from mainland Europe to Britain to prevent it falling into the hands of the Nazis. In 1940 some of it was moved to Canada for safekeeping. A lot was then spent in America to pay for war materials. ITTL, that's not required.

Gold under threat from a Russian invasion would have been moved to Germany and Britain wouldn't have needed to send gold to Canada for safekeeping as they were not under threat from the Soviets.

So there's nothing in America for the American government to threaten to seize as you suggested they do in the event of Europe and China putting trade restrictions onto America for their financial and trade support of Japan. Japanese actions in China and South East Asia, where Japan has attacked countries where Germany, Britain, the Netherlands and France have a vested interest, has made an enemy out of the European powers. .
 
They probably consider themselves a Great Power, and probably have the potential, but ITTL, they won't have the international pull.
Before WWI, the USA was considered the military equivalent of the Netherlands or Belgium (I forgot which), and only the opportune intervention to change that image (or at least accelerate the CP defeat, I'm not sure which) and brought them at the big boys table. WWII and it's aftermath ensured their position at the head of said table in the West, since the previous contenders, GB and Germany were in ruins and their economies in shambles and dependent on the US after the War (France haven't completely recovered from WWI before WWII, and the 2nd war and swift defeat and occupation fully brought them down from the position of a Great Power).
ITTL, the USA forced the Entante's hand to accept defeat in WWI, after metaphorically just dipping it's toe and stood out until now of WWII, trading with all sides, so the European's respect for the US and its international claims are probably pretty low, especially as the British and German heartlands haven't suffered as IOTL, and France is probably close to full recovery (presumably the wars were a boon for the French industry - and for others, like Czechoslovakia, Italy, and maybe Austria and Romania).
The US us sitting in a powder keg, and they aren't even fully aware fully.

Already you saw the mayhem happening in the circles of Washington, as they fear WHAT Germany is going to do with the NKVD Archives.

And Truman its also committing the sin of Naivety.

The Germans are more likely to get VERY convenient economic deals with most of The European countries in exchange for giving to their intelligence agencies lists with the NKVD spies and traitors in their countries and for Germany to either burn or Bury in the darkest hole said skeleton filled files of their countries.

But the US? Even with the blow up of the Academies NKVD spy circle in the US, the Germans didn't got all the members of the NKVD US team and their American collaborators in the US for the massacre of the Russian Royal Family. In Addition, politics or not politics, there were AMERICAN resources what fed the Russian And Japanese War Machines, even if it was downright blatant obvious from early the kind of war and humanity crimes committed by the Soviets and the Imperial Japanese.... yet the American kept selling and feeding the guns that killed countless German and European soldiers's lives

.... And now its time for the reckoning.....

Someone said that there is not weapon as Terrible as the Truth..... and As the Nuremberg War Tribunals happen, the World will see to WHAT the American Business moguls, and in an indirect way the their government were accomplice, as the NKVD files show for what kind of monstrosities were used the American Resources, technology and machines.

There is a price for every sin, a consequence for every act, and Nuremberg here will cause the poisons of the Soviets to come to the light, and they will certainly end splattering the US badly..... badly enough that Europe for decades will turn their backs on the American Markets and focus on the other Continents.
 
The US us sitting in a powder keg, and they aren't even fully aware fully.
I'd wager for that keg to be internal rather than external. Consider two things:
The Bonus Army is still in living memory.
People don't like being lied to. Neither do they want their friends and relations (which most americans have at this point in the European Allies) harmed while being told the contrary (see: Kats pen pal).

The hypocrisy of the moguls is exposed at this point. There may well be civil war or revolution in the offing. If the US falls ITL, it won't be because of external pressures (they are too far away for the europeans to be concerned about), but because the internal cracks were not mended on time.

Edit: Funny thought: The germans go do something very german: Let justice account in all balance, consequences be damned!
 
You know what should terrify the Americans, but only does Truman and a few others right now:

1944 u-boats (probably now approaching late 40s full GUPPY subs) plus two Aircraft Carrier'd navies can choke US trade badly.
 
Isn't the KLM fielding TTL equivalent of OTL's Type XXI? Because they were almost undetectable by OTL Allied ASW gear, which I'd suspect is a lot more advanced than that used by TTL's US Navy.
 
Actually for a field that is severely cramped in ITTL, there can be few more slowed than rocketry. Germany doesn't have her same interest, and that's where most of the advances came from OTL
 
Actually for a field that is severely cramped in ITTL, there can be few more slowed than rocketry. Germany doesn't have her same interest, and that's where most of the advances came from OTL
i wouldnt say that, the germans ittl have been dropping v1/v2 equivalents onto moscow for months and have usable fighter launched anti aircraft missiles. there definetly is interest in military applications from the luftwaffe and heer side. space is another matter. it depends quite a lot on what post war shape the german economy settles down to and whether the interested scientists can generate enough political pull for funding of a space program. once the idea of satelites gets some traction however, i don't think they will have too many problems to secure that.
 
The hypocrisy of the moguls is exposed at this point. There may well be civil war or revolution in the offing. If the US falls ITL, it won't be because of external pressures (they are too far away for the europeans to be concerned about), but because the internal cracks were not mended on time.
Especially with the still there.... racial issues, that aren't alleviated.

Fun times abound!
 
i wouldnt say that, the germans ittl have been dropping v1/v2 equivalents onto moscow for months and have usable fighter launched anti aircraft missiles. there definetly is interest in military applications from the luftwaffe and heer side. space is another matter. it depends quite a lot on what post war shape the german economy settles down to and whether the interested scientists can generate enough political pull for funding of a space program. once the idea of satelites gets some traction however, i don't think they will have too many problems to secure that.

Fair enough, though the aircraft-launched rockets, and the V1s aren't exactly...er...rocket science, so to speak. The V2 would be the real breakthrough, if it can launch more often than it detonates on the pad.
 
Isn't the KLM fielding TTL equivalent of OTL's Type XXI? Because they were almost undetectable by OTL Allied ASW gear, which I'd suspect is a lot more advanced than that used by TTL's US Navy.

Worse, they had XXI-level boats in 1942 I think with batteries that exceeded XXI endurance. 2 more years of war is an epic disaster for the USN technology-wise.
 
I'd wager for that keg to be internal rather than external. Consider two things:
The Bonus Army is still in living memory.
People don't like being lied to. Neither do they want their friends and relations (which most americans have at this point in the European Allies) harmed while being told the contrary (see: Kats pen pal).

The hypocrisy of the moguls is exposed at this point. There may well be civil war or revolution in the offing. If the US falls ITL, it won't be because of external pressures (they are too far away for the europeans to be concerned about), but because the internal cracks were not mended on time.

Edit: Funny thought: The germans go do something very german: Let justice account in all balance, consequences be damned!

Especially with the still there.... racial issues, that aren't alleviated.

Fun times abound!


Think in that the US while it recovered from the Depression, and profitted from the War, now are going to go into a very DRY season economically, something further magnified as if the Germans reveal during Nuremberg the acts of the US business moguls, and their complicity in what was pretty much Crimes against Humanity.

Short to say, the sheer indignation of the Europeans would subsequently cause not an instant effect, but the first signs would be seen in a month or two after the revelations, as when it comes the time for new contracts, the European Countries start to play an internal game. . . .Germany buying to Britain, France or other European Countries RATHER than to the US. Britain buying resources to their Colonies or the other European Countries. .. the European Countries buying to Germany, Britain or France. Then this circle keeps going as the months go ahead and EXPANDS.

Suddenly the American Industry starts to take account that the buying of American Products, American Commodities, American EVERYTHING, it has taken a catastrophic Nosedive in Europe. . . and the worst, its that this nosedive its spreading. . .. Asia, South America, even AFRICA.

As news fly, and Newspapers spread, the Asians do not WANT ANYTHING with the country that fed the Japanese War Machine that committed brutalities all across Asia. .. The African Colonies certainly follow their mother countries.....and South America, even with Socialism, and bits of Communism, its above all immensely Catholic, and would certainly react badly to the fact that the North Americans were supporting until a point the Godless Soviets and the Imperial Japanese and their crimes.

. .. And thus. . .suddenly the years of profit give way to years of 1929, second Round, but this time created for the American themselves, as they have to deal with the stain from their past acts, at the same time that numerous Social issues, be race or gender inequality start to surface and turn things into chaos, as the once again jobless People blames the Moguls, and blames their supporters in Washington DC....
 
Regarding space exploration in satellites, I can't remember but does Germany still have her African colonies in this? If not she's probably going to partner with the other European nations and form ATL version of the European Space Agency if only for easier access to space via equatorial launches.
 
Let's cool down a little, 'kay?
While possible, it's very improbable for the European Allies to come to blows with the US anytime soon, as nobody (except the Japanese) have anything worthwhile to gain from it. (By the way, @Peabody-Martini , do they have a snazzy name, like the Entante, the Axis, the Concert of Europe, etc?).
Also, while they probably won't go overboard on increasing military spending, they clearly won't just let themselves become a could-have-been if they can help it. In 1939, the US Army was at under 200.000 men. By '45 it was at over 8.000.000. I don't think we'll see ITTL those numbers, or the insane military equipment production rates of OTL. That's not to say they won't have their R&D department working full time trying to catch up, which they probably will - in a decade or so, not at the forefront, of course, with some exceptions. The difference is that they won't have the sheer numbers of men and equipment, the bases all over the world, and the doctrine will be a bit wonky (because, as I pointed before, they proved to be pants at learning from others IOTL in the World Wars and Vietnam).

In regards to the US's budding Intelligence apparatus, Peabody made it clear that they're trying to create one since the 30s, at least, probably formed initially to counteract Abwehr meddling in South America. Remember what Kennedy was doing when we first met him. Also, it's still probably pretty... inefficient at the time, especially without the British know-how, but things can change (the Romanian Secret Service from that time was basically built from the ground up in under 25 years by a single man -Mihail Moruzov, of cossack origins- who started as a lowly informant at the tail end of WWI, and built the best Intelligence Agency between Germany and Soviet Russia).

As for the American domestic problems, we have to remember that it's citizens are probably quite content. The war hasn't touched them, the standard of living is reasonably high, and the country has recovered well after the stockmarket crash. All that nasty stuff is happening to foreigners, on the other side of the pound(s). At best (or worst), the current leadership will be blamed, the other party wins handily the next elections, and most lose interest in a couple of years or so. After all, what's truly wrong in fleecing a few foreigners? Life will be the same in the future, right?
 
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Part 34, Chapter 408
Chapter Four Hundred Eight


26th August 1944

Ballerup, Denmark

The telegram was sparse but it promised that a letter would follow that would give greater detail.

ONR and TNR confirmed deceased.

JAT-R was reported alive on day following events in poor medical condition.

Trail went cold in Dawson’s Creek BC.

Olga Alexandrovna reread the telegram twice, more definitive proof that her nieces were gone was tragic. As if the caskets temporarily stored in Bavaria weren’t enough. She would need to tell her sister Xenia about this. All the dashed hopes, hoaxes and rumors that they had dealt with had caused them to give up but with the war against Russia nearly over it had seemed like the time to make one last effort. It had taken time to scrape up the resources to do this investigation but they now knew that there was a small chance that their great niece might still be alive. But it said the trail went cold in British Columbia and her medical condition was poor. What if that awful movie had gotten it right after all? That was a dash of ice water but perhaps it would be enough to get King George of England to finally do something.


Peenemünde, Germany

Wernher von Braun watched from the command bunker as the team carefully fueled the Aggregat 4 on the launch pad. There had been accidents that had delayed the whole project and as he had discovered it was a tossup as to what was more damaging between having a rocket explode on the pad or in the stratosphere. On the pad and he had a massive mess on his hands and skilled personnel could be lost. In the stratosphere then everyone within thousands of kilometers would know about and he’d have someone on the phone from the Reichstag demanding to know what he was doing with the public’s money. With the war against Russia over even his backers had been sounding increasingly apocalyptic. Get results or prepare to be investigated for misappropriation were the terms that they were using. To add insult to injury there was a team elsewhere in Germany who were getting good results with solid fuel rockets and they were being funded by the KLM.

Wernher thought that he had finally gotten to the bottom of the airburst problem and he was hoping for the best. He had thought that it was a problem with the tank that held the alcohol component of the propellant but ground tests had revealed that not to be the case. Testing had eventually revealed that it was the skin of the rockets themselves that were the issue. It was the constant problem with novel technologies, when dealing with the unknown even minor problems involving heat and metal gauge could come back and bite you on the ass.

As he watched the crew finished the fueling process and the various checks. They wasted no time clearing the launch pad. Anyone who did this for any length of time and had even the slightest sense of self-preservation got into that habit. Eventually the signal for all clear sounded. With a bit of trepidation Wernher pressed the button for ignition and the A-4 slowly accelerated skyward. In a bit, they would get word back from the target zone.

Please arrive intact this time, Wernher thought to himself.

The Luftwaffe wanted weapons but he wanted cities in space. The A-4 was merely the first step in that.


Langeoog Island, Germany

“You have to admit that they are nice together” Maria said. She was sitting with Kat on the back porch of the beach house. Maria had never been there before. The small house with the kitchen and sitting room downstairs and the loft bedroom upstairs was perfect for Kat. Helene said that this was where Kat escaped to when the world became too much for her. It was perfect, though a bit crowded at the moment. Hans, Helene and Gianna were down on the tide line gathering seashells with Zella.

Hans had called Maria in Berlin at a time when she needed a distraction. Emil had discovered that there was a price to success in war. He was the General who had kicked open the door to Moscow and suddenly people who had ignored him for years as a renegade Officer and revolutionary were his best friends. The State of Thuringia remembered that he was from there and he was sent running for Erfurt to receive a medal that Maria had never heard of, Grand Cross of the Order of the White Falcon. Maria had to admit that it was pretty. Then requests had come in from the other Chivalrous Orders that felt they had a claim on one Generaloberst Emil Holz. Then the Emperor had called, he wanted to ennoble Emil and give him more than just a gold leaf on his PLM.

Naturally, Emil was hating every second of this. Even his retreat of riding his motorcycle during his off time had become an issue. BMW had been overjoyed to learn that a famous General had been using their motorcycles for years…

Maria had grown tired of listening to Emil complain. Eventually, she had to point out that many of the titles he was receiving were hereditary. That meant that he was ensuring her future and Zella’s, it wasn’t just about him. And BMW wanting to pay him money to ride their motorcycles didn’t strike Maria as a bad deal. After that Emil had gone into one of his brooding silences, working on his motorcycle in the garage.

Finally, Maria had called in reinforcements by contacting Nina Horst shortly before Hans had called. Nina had talked Walter Horst into coming up to Berlin from Wunsdorf. Piers Sjostedt and Augustus Lang also happened to be in Berlin. The four of them could commiserate the hardships that came from long successful careers without her. Maria had taken Zella and gone to Lower Saxony because Hans had said that Kat was going through a worse than usual personal crisis. He hadn’t said much beyond Kat and their Aunt Marcella getting into a fight over a dark episode in Kat’s past.

Kat sitting despondent hadn’t been a surprise, which was a regret to Maria. What had been a surprise was the obvious chemistry between Hans Mischner and Helene von Richthofen. Maria was watching them on the beach from the porch. Kat was sitting there wrapped in a blanket staring at the plank floor. Helene and Gianna had made an effort to clean her up but she still looked like Hell. Hans had hoped that Kat would at least talk to Maria, she had been silent since they had found her here a couple days before.

As Maria watched tears started rolling down Kat’s cheeks. “They should hate me…” She whispered.
 
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Wow, what a chapter. The Russian Royals have a fool's hope, but still a hope in Jehane's survival. To say they will be eminently pleased with Kat for willingly taking her under a wing and protecting her like she did will be an understatement.

You really get a sense of the price of glory for these men and women from the last part of the chapter. That last sentence...beautiful and heart-wrenching. I am so glad Maria and Zella are with her.

Hans and Helene do make for a nice pairing.
 
I would like to be a fly on the wall listening to Emil, Walter, Piers, and Augustus trading lies, sorry war stories and each one of them trying to top the others.

I hope that someone has a plan to prepare Gianna in returning back to being Jehane.
 
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