Germany will likely end up as the one thing Britain always fears: a single hegemonic power in Europe. That could lead to Britain leaning towards the USA in the future.
 
Especially since the conservative party was linked to a coup backed by Soviet interests.

That's going to discredit their movement nicely.
OTL the younger Nationalists were already realising that they had to discard "Potsdam" ideas even before the Nazis came to power. And there will be a rising bourgeois (OTL Christian Democrat) Right. We don't know who was lost in the Reichstag bombing but presumably Goerdeler and Adenauer were still only mayors at that point. And Ludwig Erhard working for his doctorate. Did Erich Klausener survive? And Herbert von Bose and Edgar Jung, though right wing and no democrats, were interested in a strong stable Germany, not in doing favours for the Junkers. Schwerin von Krosigk was a Fabian Socialist before joining the NSDAP OTL and even OTL Otto Ohlendorff was hugely sensitive to public opinion.
 
I'll be honest, I really wanted to see Jacob's joint fleet dismantling USS Montana.
The irony would be that the US will pretty much waste billions worth in units that in less of a decade will be pretty much expensive and oversized practice targets for Supersonic Attackers, First generation Cruiser Missiles and Fast Attack Submarines.

And considering HOW skin flinting were the US Congress's committees in the matter until Pearl Harbor and the aislacionist Lobby..... By the time that they get a clue that they are doing it WRONG..... The rest of the navies of war of the world will be laughing at their faces.
 
Wow the butterflies of the United States not being ITTL WW II is going to be enormous.
While the automotive industry is doing great, there won't be the massive demand for a increase of workers from the south, both black and white.
That means that the "Great Migration" of blacks from the south is not as big OTL, growth of the big cities in the north is going to be more "Manageable" and maybe filled with less racial tension then in OTL.

This is also going to have an enormous impact on the political parties as IOTL when the blacks moved to the north, they joined the unions and started to vote Democratic.
But with President Garner being very much anti-union, and the Democratic Party is going to be more tied to the south, blacks in the north will be more willing to support Republican candidates.
OTL in 1960 Nixon got 40% of the black vote, only when Kennedy called Coretta Scott King and RFK got MLK Jr out of jail did blacks started to move to Kennedy(OTL MLK Sr. endorsed Nixon and only switched after the Kennedy call)

As for Europe, this war will show the need for a collective security agreement and an economical cooperative union.
Great Britain, France and Italy will be the counter-balanced to Germany in Europe with a post war Russia being the wild card.

In the Pacific, America was IOTL mostly concerned with the growth of the Japanese Empire and started in 1938 under legislation by Rep. Carl Vinson the "Two Ocean Navy Act"
, ITTL post war America is going to see Germany regaining control of the Northern Marianas, Caroline, and the Marshall Islands (German New Guinea) and they are not going to be pleased about it.

Mostly the competition between the United States and Germany is going to be about economic and political access and influence and will mostly be peaceful unless...

Let us see what Peabody-Martini bring us in 1944.

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And considering HOW skin flinting were the US Congress's committees in the matter until Pearl Harbor and the aislacionist Lobby..... By the time that they get a clue that they are doing it WRONG..... The rest of the navies of war of the world will be laughing at their faces.
In the Pacific, America was IOTL mostly concerned with the growth of the Japanese Empire and started in 1938 under legislation by Rep. Carl Vinson the "Two Ocean Navy Act".

Before WW I the USA knew that the oceans needed a Navy so they weren't as reluctant to spend money as you might assume. The Army, on the other hand, was really starved - witness their efforts to catch Pancho Villa.

During WW I the US built the factories to build guns and munitions and other stuff but after the war they generally tore the plants down (yes, really).

ITTL it looks as if the USA is pretty much starting over rebuilding the factories just like they did in WW II.

I kinda wonder at the level of the ITTL USA's Army and Air Corps - B-17s (probably), P-40 fighters, M-3 and M-4 tanks? IIRC the Army always had pretty good artillery.
 
IOTL the B-29 was first proposed in 1938, I don't see that changing ITTL.

ITTL the United States may have had military observers amongst the Allied forces and have seen what strategy, tactics, and equipment work and don't work.

For the air war the United States could draw the lesson that in a strategic bombing campaign, you need large bombers and in significant numbers to be effective.
As for fighters, a combination of speed, firepower, and toughness is the best way to go.

As for the army, the lesson is mobility and logistics, the M4 Sherman tank will look more like a German tank, but designed to be massed produced unlike OTL German tanks.

The USN will find that the first time out on fleet manoeuvres, that the USS Montana cannot keep up with the USS Essex it will cause the Navy to demand an end to building anymore battleships and build more aircraft carriers.

I think ITTL that the development of jet aircraft and helicopters in the United States is actually further along because there is multiple aircraft companies competing against each other to bring to market commercial jets and helicopters, and with the United States flush with cash there is more investment dollars both private and public available.
 
Part 31, Chapter 353
Chapter Three Hundred Fifty-Three


12th December 1943

Luganskoye, Saratov Oblast, Russia

The Panther broke down in the middle of nowhere and Kurt was forced to scrounge for parts among the battle-damaged Panthers that were around. That didn’t sit well with any of the crew, it felt like grave robbing and there was the superstitious dread that bad luck could be transferred from one vehicle to another. Then once they thought they got the engine repaired they discovered that the compressed air system that was used to start the engine in cold temperatures was broken down as well. They then got the privilege of hand cranking the engine and hoping that the batteries were unaffected by the cold. The plan was to get the engine started and then to get to the air compressor’s bottle. Otherwise they could look forward to a long, cold night waiting for a recovery vehicle to get to them. Fortunately for them the Company wasn’t going anywhere at the moment while the Brass decided their next move.

Kurt was watching the road while Olli and Kolbe struggled with the engine crank. He was standing right next to the fire for all the good that did him. He was wearing a heavyweight wool coat over his winter coveralls. Even with the felt topped boots and three pairs of wool socks his feet were still cold. How did the crunchies tolerate being out in this all the time? How could anyone live in a place like this? And most of all, how could it still be so cold when the sun was shining?

Kurt heard the car coming from the rear. It was one of the ubiquitous Kubelwagens that were seen everywhere the Heer went. The ugly little cars were made with German winters in mind and were not as affected by the bitter cold compared to other vehicles. Kurt reluctantly left the fire to see what this was about.

“The General wants to know if you think your outfit will be ready to move out in an hour?” The man in the car asked.

“That depends on a few things” Kurt said. Like if they could get his Panzer started.

“Well, I’d suggest that you’d get your things sorted” The man said, “The 2nd took Saratov and the General wants to cut off the Russians before they get a chance to flee west.” After the man in the car briefly explained that he rolled the window up and drove away.

Kurt had hoped that he would have a chance to stop for a spell in the city and get out of the cold. Instead the 2nd had stolen a march on the Russians and the 5th ruining that plan. Now he was faced with playing a role in trying to encircle an unknown number of Russians who were still holding out in a desperate situation. Word was that it was the same Army Group that was led by Chuikov, the same Soviet General who’d made the siege of Stalingrad such a grinding affair while the Heer had been trying to keep up appearances. That same Army Group had left Stalingrad ahead of the city being encircled and had been preparing for the attack on Saratov. General Balck didn’t want them to get away a second time.

With that, the engine of the Panther roared to life. At least that meant their prospects of freezing to death during the night had just been slightly reduced.


Puyallup, Washington State, USA

Nancy was reading the latest letter from Kat. She was describing what she had been doing over the last month and a half. She had said that her work had taken her out of Germany. Surprisingly she was in Wales. The postmark had even been in Cardiff. The explanation that Kat had given for the lateness in this month’s letter was that she was on a diplomatic mission. The thing was that Nancy didn’t think that Kat owed her an apology.

The mission itself sounded exciting. Exploring London and meeting all sorts of interesting people. Kat didn’t seem to be too thrilled with that. The impression that Nancy got was that it might have something to do with this man named Ian who the British Government had sent to keep an eye on her. He sounded like a real creep the way Kat described him. Then there was this girl, Elizabeth. Kat described her as being Nancy’s age but very sheltered and wanted to be a part of something bigger than herself. She also thought that Kat was this heroic figure, something that Kat herself vehemently disagreed with. When Nancy wrote back she’d have to say that she sort of agreed with this Elizabeth, Kat really was heroic.

There were a number of other things that Nancy could write about. Mom had thrown out her back when she had been moving boxes of Christmas stuff out of the attic. While she was recovering from that, Dad had tried his hand at cooking when Nancy was kept late at a school function. They’d ended up having scrambled eggs for dinner. Alan was being obnoxious, as always. He’d gone with his class on a tour of Fort Lewis and thought that watching an Army tank crush an old car that they must have gotten from the junkyard for that display was the greatest thing ever. Alan said that it was a “Sherman” whatever that meant. Kat had said in her letters that her brother wasn’t as annoying unless the subject of professional soccer came up then everyone would be scrambling for cover.
 
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Before WW I the USA knew that the oceans needed a Navy so they weren't as reluctant to spend money as you might assume. The Army, on the other hand, was really starved - witness their efforts to catch Pancho Villa.
They did authorize the 1938 Build up of the Navy and potentially the 1941 build up, but as things go its highly doubtful that they would authorize further spending beyond renovation of the units in the next 5 if not 10 years considering that the KLM pretty much defanged the IJN at the South China Sea's Battle, and that it's highly likely that with the Russian Battlefront well into Russia, the KLM, FN and the RN will redeploy multiple units from the European Front into Asia to end once and for all the IJN as a fighting force.

Furthermore, the issue is that the Americans are spending their allowed build up on traditional units, unlike Germany and later the other nations as Schmidt likely influenced decisively the construction of new Sea vessels past the currently being built in Kiel and other dock yards.

Also think that Roosevelt ISN'T at the helm from several years ago, but the Aislacionists are, and as such, it's highly unlikely that they would allow any further building up beyond the limits imposed by the last Acts approved under Roosevelt's administration.

There its a build up, yeah, but once it's complete until the limits allowed by the Republicans the US is likely to get lazy and not grasp the lessons given by Admiral Schmidt.

As such, While the US DID got their Navy expanded, its doubtful that they got the right lessons that Schdmit gained from the battles to the date, and are pushing him to give his full support to the buildup of Naval Carriers above any future Battleships beyond the currently being built.

So for now the US has an adequate Navy, but it certainly won't reach the gargantuan numbers of OTL, and won't go beyond the Treaty Numbers allowed to the US, with the added issue that its highly likely for the Navy to be thrown to a second seat soon in what to actualize their units, as the US seems to be refocusing on apply the lessons from the Red Cross associated Army Units sent to Ukraine for the sanitary aid in the humanitary disaster there, and likely with the added mission to get some insight from the damaged and destroyed Russian and German units in the field not recycled into new tanks.

So, after this, i doubt that the US will consider even to build new types of Carriers, or modified units more in accord to the new Naval Doctrine that the KLM and later the other European Navy Corps will soon go on, at least until close to enough years have passed, or an incident with another Naval unit would leave the US Navy in shame and evidence that they need to upgrade and modify ASAP
 
They did authorize the 1938 Build up of the Navy and potentially the 1941 build up, but as things go its highly doubtful that they would authorize further spending beyond renovation of the units in the next 5 if not 10 years considering that the KLM pretty much defanged the IJN at the South China Sea's Battle, and that it's highly likely that with the Russian Battlefront well into Russia, the KLM, FN and the RN will redeploy multiple units from the European Front into Asia to end once and for all the IJN as a fighting force.

Furthermore, the issue is that the Americans are spending their allowed build up on traditional units, unlike Germany and later the other nations as Schmidt likely influenced decisively the construction of new Sea vessels past the currently being built in Kiel and other dock yards.

Also think that Roosevelt ISN'T at the helm from several years ago, but the Aislacionists are, and as such, it's highly unlikely that they would allow any further building up beyond the limits imposed by the last Acts approved under Roosevelt's administration.

There its a build up, yeah, but once it's complete until the limits allowed by the Republicans the US is likely to get lazy and not grasp the lessons given by Admiral Schmidt.

As such, While the US DID got their Navy expanded, its doubtful that they got the right lessons that Schdmit gained from the battles to the date, and are pushing him to give his full support to the buildup of Naval Carriers above any future Battleships beyond the currently being built.

So for now the US has an adequate Navy, but it certainly won't reach the gargantuan numbers of OTL, and won't go beyond the Treaty Numbers allowed to the US, with the added issue that its highly likely for the Navy to be thrown to a second seat soon in what to actualize their units, as the US seems to be refocusing on apply the lessons from the Red Cross associated Army Units sent to Ukraine for the sanitary aid in the humanitary disaster there, and likely with the added mission to get some insight from the damaged and destroyed Russian and German units in the field not recycled into new tanks.

So, after this, i doubt that the US will consider even to build new types of Carriers, or modified units more in accord to the new Naval Doctrine that the KLM and later the other European Navy Corps will soon go on, at least until close to enough years have passed, or an incident with another Naval unit would leave the US Navy in shame and evidence that they need to upgrade and modify ASAP

Good points, except there was no naval treaty in TTL. Trying to figure out the impact of the US being a neutral during WW2 has been a challenge involving a lot of thought. ITTL there hasn't been the shattering experiences of Pearl Harbor or the fall of Singapore. The Battleship still remains king in the minds of naval planners.

Aircraft construction in the US is both advanced and held back by the lack of involvement. The theories of aerodynamics and engine construction that were so spectacularly wrong have not been so harshly exposed like what happened in OTL. The P-40 Warhawk remains the top front line fighter of the USAAF, the P-38 Lightning is the hot interceptor but remains few in number. The US Navy still has a large number of Wildcat and Buffalo fighters. The biggest change though is that the aircraft industry on the West Coast isn't going to be as developed, something that will have a huge impact on Southern California and Washington State. Without WW2 the work of Sikorsky will not garner as much interest except the inadvertent help that it will give FW/Albatros....
 
Good points, except there was no naval treaty in TTL. Trying to figure out the impact of the US being a neutral during WW2 has been a challenge involving a lot of thought. ITTL there hasn't been the shattering experiences of Pearl Harbor or the fall of Singapore. The Battleship still remains king in the minds of naval planners.

Aircraft construction in the US is both advanced and held back by the lack of involvement. The theories of aerodynamics and engine construction that were so spectacularly wrong have not been so harshly exposed like what happened in OTL. The P-40 Warhawk remains the top front line fighter of the USAAF, the P-38 Lightning is the hot interceptor but remains few in number. The US Navy still has a large number of Wildcat and Buffalo fighters. The biggest change though is that the aircraft industry on the West Coast isn't going to be as developed, something that will have a huge impact on Southern California and Washington State. Without WW2 the work of Sikorsky will not garner as much interest except the inadvertent help that it will give FW/Albatros....

No Taranto either.
 
The needs of the US armed forces after this war will be mostly dictated by economic concerns.
The thinking that battleships are the "King of the Seas" is going face reality when it cost over twice a much for a battleship then for an aircraft carrier.
The Navy brass is going to push for aircraft carriers because that will give them a more flexible force.
With jets making their first combat appearance soon, it will make every combat plane that the USAAF has immediately obsolete.

Some of the other butterflies ITTL without the US in the war are going to be no GI Bill of Rights which provided free college education to returning vets that greatly expanded the middle class, no zero down, zero interest home loans which allowed vets to buy their own homes and created suburbs and no massive Federal Highway Act that created the Interstates.

Also Casablanca will not be made.
 
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Chapter Three Hundred Fifty-Three


He’d gone with his class on a tour of Fort Louis and thought that watching an Army tank crush an old car that they must have gotten from the junkyard for that display was the greatest thing ever. Alan said that it was a “Sherman” whatever that meant. Kat had said in her letters that her brother wasn’t as annoying unless the subject of professional soccer came up then everyone would be scrambling for cover.

It is Fort Lewis in Washington state. It is named after Meriwether Lewis from the Lewis and Clark expedition.
 
Good points, except there was no naval treaty in TTL. Trying to figure out the impact of the US being a neutral during WW2 has been a challenge involving a lot of thought. ITTL there hasn't been the shattering experiences of Pearl Harbor or the fall of Singapore. The Battleship still remains king in the minds of naval planners.

The needs of the US armed forces after this war will be mostly dictated by economic concerns.
The thinking that battleships are the "King of the Seas" is going face reality when it cost over twice a much for a battleship then for an aircraft carrier.
The Navy brass is going to push for aircraft carriers because that will give them a more flexible force.

Unless I missed something the lessons to be learned so far in the Pacific War are that the battleships remain King of the Seas and aircraft carriers are useful for "bayoneting the survivors" and for providing air support to the ground troops where there aren't any land bases nearby ("a carrier is a mobile airbase.") The KLM will be building carriers because they have sufficient numbers of BBs (overall, they need to redeploy some to the Pacific) and are deficient in carrier strength compared to the IJN.
 
Unless I missed something the lessons to be learned so far in the Pacific War are that the battleships remain King of the Seas and aircraft carriers are useful for "bayoneting the survivors" and for providing air support to the ground troops where there aren't any land bases nearby ("a carrier is a mobile airbase.") The KLM will be building carriers because they have sufficient numbers of BBs (overall, they need to redeploy some to the Pacific) and are deficient in carrier strength compared to the IJN.
The point it's that the US and other nations did believe that.

However Admiral Schmidt, the CIC of the KLM Pacific Fleet, in a clear show of insight, it made clear to his superiors and the government that new and improved Carriers are the right path to follow for the future of the KLM rather than spending in further Battleships than the ones that are being built right now , and given his history and career in the KLM, added to that he's the kind of genius on his field that emerges once in a century, Lang and other figures are Taking attention to his words.

Furthermore, Schmidt it has been literally writing the book in Operational Support from Carriers for Ground Operations from the fighting in Vietnam where the KLM Marine Corps literally survived often as the Carriers's Air Wings were pouring Lead and Fire in order to allow the Marines to beat the IJN....

Short to say, Schmidt's decisions and advice are pretty much ensuring that the KLM will more than likely surpass the RN and the US NAVY in the coming decade..... and will force the Americans to spend a LOT trying to recover their position after some bad choices.
 
The point it's that the US and other nations did believe that.


Short to say, Schmidt's decisions and advice are pretty much ensuring that the KLM will more than likely surpass the RN and the US NAVY in the coming decade..... and will force the Americans to spend a LOT trying to recover their position after some bad choices.

Surpass the US Navy, I can see that, but the RN? After the embaressing start, I think that Londen would be very keen to make up for it. First and foremost the captains of the RN are professionals. As they work together with Admiral Schmidt and KM, they will keep their eyes and ears open and make note of everything. And I am sure any document or instruction they can get their hands will go straight to London. Of course Schmidt will try to keep his secrets but he has to work / command them in battle. He can't have operational secrets for them.
 
Part 31, Chapter 354
Chapter Three Hundred Fifty-Four


25th December 1943

Brecon, Wales, UK

After several weeks Kat had enough of Brecon, Ian Fleming, David Sterling, the SAS, British Military Intelligence eavesdropping and all the rest of the UK for that matter. In Judenbach she had earned her place, in Brecon she was constantly reminded that she was an outsider for a lot of different reasons. They would listen politely to her suggestions and then do nothing to act on them. With the holidays rolling around all she wanted was to go home.

As it had turned out, sneaking out of England had been slightly more complicated than sneaking out of Germany had been. The dicey thing had been getting from Wales to London unnoticed. Anytime Kat said anything she got curious looks. She couldn’t exactly hide her accent when buying train tickets. But it was a matter of following one of the edicts that Schultz had taught her, not that she would ever thank him, the best disguise is not looking like yourself and make the obvious work for you.

Kat had walked into the train station in Brecon and spoke to the Ticket Agent, with a German-English translation book and spent the next twenty-five minutes speaking in a mixture of German, French and broken English trying to buy the ticket to London. The Agent, to his credit, just wanted to help her in spite of the obvious frustration that he must had been feeling. Later he even escorted her onto the train. The aspect of her appearance that she hated most, that she looked like someone’s little sister worked for her. At Heathrow, she was able to hop a Lufthansa flight to Berlin and was home to Aunt Marcella’s in time for Christmas dinner.

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“What do you mean vanished?” Fleming asked.

“The German bird was around one minute” Sterling said, “Gone the next.”

This was the very sort of thing that Fleming had thought might happen. The German Baroness had had obviously been underwhelmed by Sterling’s regard for her. The idea of a foreign agent simply disappearing into the English countryside was bad enough. The fact that she had apparently done it with hardly a ripple was disturbing. Fleming figured that she would have needed transport to get away from here.

Tracing her to the train station was easy enough, a young German woman with red hair tended to stand out, but the Ticket Agent was less than cooperative. Fleming let that go, Katherine had a talent for playing the damsel in distress. It was rumored that she had lured more than one Russian to his doom that way.

Earlier that day Fleming had been notified by Katherine herself via telegram that she was returning home for the holiday and she would be back next week. While he wasn’t exactly sorry to see her go, the means of her departure bothered him. One of the most recognizable people on the planet had slipped away like a wrath in the night and it was on his watch.


Saratov, Russia

This was not how Hans wanted to spend his holiday. They had been camped out on this hill for weeks now expecting a battle that had never come. No sooner had everything been in place then a winter storm had descended on the region engulfing it in whiteout conditions. Somehow, the Soviet 62nd Army had once again escaped through the storm. There were rumors of abandoned vehicles and men frozen in place, still standing on the road where they died of exposure. This land would doubtlessly have countless ghost stories being spread around for decades because of that.

The 5th Corps had arrived in Saratov a few days earlier, as it had turned out they had only been about 40 kilometers down the road. All of that had left Hans pissed. It seemed like if they had come extremely far but were no closer to Moscow than they had been when they crossed the Volga river south of Stalingrad.

Things around the Platoon had gotten odd, Division was if anything, worse. The report on the incident with the train had gotten them some notice but again it seemed like Hans had once again fallen between worlds.

“You’re going to end up in the hospital minus some toes if you stand out there like that Hans” Soren said from the tent.

With a sigh Hans went back to the tent. The Platoon had no idea of his change of station yet. Everything had been confused at first and then they had found that survival was something that had consumed all of their time. They were all used to Hans being in charge anyway, so nothing had really changed.

“To think, only three months until spring” Jost said as they huddled around the small stove.

“Think we’ll be in Moscow by then?” Soren asked. It was a cynical joke that they were all tired of hearing. They all knew that Moscow was hundreds of kilometers away and there were hundreds of jerkwater towns and crossroads that the Russians would fight over between here and there.

“I’d say that we’ll get there when Hell freezes over” Jost said, “But considering where we are then I’d say it’s a bit late for that.” The other cynical joke that had been thrown around a lot.

“No” Soren said, “Hell is full of mud, like what will happen when this snow turns to rain.”

“That’s enough, both of you” Hans said.

The truth that Hans didn’t mention was even if they entered Moscow tomorrow the war wouldn’t be over. Hans had been an indifferent student in school but he remembered Napoléon. The Russians had burnt their own capital to keep it out of his hands. Hans had no doubt that the Russians would cheerfully do that again.

“You know something we don’t?” Jost asked.

“No” Hans said, “This is just a low moment is all, things will look better once we start moving again.” That was the real truth here, wasn’t it.
 
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Nice piece here. Kat's disappearance seems perfectly plausible, but wasn't really wise; British agencies will be working on procedures more. Flemming might remind Sterling that, if a known agent can just vanish, an unknown one would have no problem arriving where not wanted. Throw in, "She's on our side--for now..." and there's worry.

I see that General Winter is up to his usual tricks...
 
In all of our back and forth about what is the future will look like for the world navies, whether it is going be the battleship or the aircraft carrier that is going to rule the seas, we forgot that in an earlier post that Peabody-Martini wrote that when the war started in the Pacific, it ended in 1946 so there is still at least two years left in this war, also P-M posted that Fleet Admiral von Schmidt has something big planned.

I'm thinking it will make us all look like fools for trying to out guess Peabody-Martini and it will make us cheer.
 
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