Stupid Luck and Happenstance, Thread III

I think that the person we are looking for is someone who is in the room when the important discussions are going on and has access to the most sensitive documents.
IOTL around this time Willy Brandt (Herbert From) had an aide who was in the Stassi, and it was a big surprise as he passed several deep background checks.
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And yes, that whole affair grew into what it did because of the sheer shock value of the whole affair and the embarrassment it did to the FRG, as well as the SPD specifically (just handed the CDU ammunition to say that the SPD was in bed with the DDR). I doubt it's the same person, among other things even if the CIA was on the top of their game, they wouldn't do as well at this as the Stasi, simply because they'd lack the huge cultural background that allowed the Stasi to be so effective at infiltrating the FRG (and presumably, the FRG to infiltrate the DDR, but those records are still sealed so that's speculation).
The main problem is that there is no way in hell that the American Ambassador should have that information, and it is to his credit that he understands that.
What the Ambassador should do is take a "quiet" personal trip back home and inform the CIA director one on one that too many people have the information on who the asset is and getting them transferred quietly to other less sensitive posts including himself.
BTW Ambassador Hillenbrad was at this time the IOTL Ambassador to the FRG, also he was one of those professional career State Department officials who served the President no matter what party they were in.
I agree with you and Salamander with regards to what Hillebrand should do and what the real threat is. But could be some stupid little thing, or some other strange happen stance, keeps him from being able to do what you suggest, and only dumb luck that the CIA haven't blathered to the wrong person yet.
 
It is entirely possible that this is a sanctioned mole, having been greenlit by the Kaiser or BND (or both). So far none of the secrets leaked are truly dangerous but arguably more in the nature of a background briefing to make sure that the CIA has the right idea instead of blindly speculating.
 
At this point ITTL the most important information that the United States want is the negotiation position of Germany in regards on far they will back Argentina hard line stance in a final peace treaty with Chile.
Remember the President of Argentina was a guest at some big wedding recently, and probably held high level, informal talks with the Kaiser, Chancellor and other important members of the German government, and of course key aides were in the room taking notes,
This will allow the US to advise Chile on far they can go on getting a better-than-expected peace deal before Germany will back Argentina in a renewal of combat action,
 
At this point ITTL the most important information that the United States want is the negotiation position of Germany in regards on far they will back Argentina hard line stance in a final peace treaty with Chile.
Remember the President of Argentina was a guest at some big wedding recently, and probably held high level, informal talks with the Kaiser, Chancellor and other important members of the German government, and of course key aides were in the room taking notes,
This will allow the US to advise Chile on far they can go on getting a better-than-expected peace deal before Germany will back Argentina in a renewal of combat action,
There won’t be any renewed combat action, at least not with German aid. Helene threatened, very publicly might I add, to withdraw the Greens from government if there is any further combat
 
There won’t be any renewed combat action, at least not with German aid. Helene threatened, very publicly might I add, to withdraw the Greens from government if there is any further combat
But does the US understands that?
Does the State Department and the CIA take her seriously?
That is the value of any such information that could be passed to the US.
I think that "Our Man in Berlin" is a career civil servant who is part of the Kaiser staff and thus worked with various governments over the years regardless of which party was in power.
 
But does the US understands that?
Does the State Department and the CIA take her seriously?
That is the value of any such information that could be passed to the US.
I think that "Our Man in Berlin" is a career civil servant who is part of the Kaiser staff and thus worked with various governments over the years regardless of which party was in power.
MMMmmmm......, mayby off the deep end, but could he be not a `spy`, but an approved behind the back way to let the CIA know of some stands - points of view. The trust it because it is there ´own agent that leakes them.
 
Part 137, Chapter 2363
Chapter Two Thousand Three Hundred Sixty-Three



23rd March 1975

Potsdam

The headquarters of the BII was silent as Sven Werth left to brief the President of the Federal Police Central Office with his deputy Markus Wolf in tow. The longer he worked with Markus, the more he missed Gunther. For years, Gunther had been an affable counterpart to Sven himself. It wasn’t an accident that Sven was occasionally called “The Impaler” behind his back and that the people he interviewed personally during investigations found him off-putting. Markus though had spent years working undercover inside some of the most violent gangs in Germany and it was whispered that he was called “The man without a face” by those members whose organizations he had infiltrated, those that survived the experience anyway.

It seemed that the BII was getting called to the carpet because the recent riots that had completely engulfed Warsaw and had caused chaos in several cities with a substantial Polish minorities. They were supposed to provide actionable intelligence on domestic threats. What they had not seen coming was how Manfred von Richthofen would run his mouth about how Silesia belonged to his family, now and forever. For those agitating for Greater Poland, that was like fingernails on the chalkboard. They viewed the area once controlled by Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth as belonging to them, the Germans, Ukrainians, Ruthenians, and who knew who else were just interlopers in the way of them getting what they saw as theirs back. The minor detail that they had lost a large degree of their independence and a considerable amount of territory in pursuit of that mad dream seemed to have taught them very little.

“Do I need to remind you that we are to tell the President no more than he needs to know?” Sven asked as the boarded the elevator that would take them up to the fourteenth floor.

“What that the Poles looted and burnt down their own city to make a point?” Wolf asked, “Or what impact this could have on the upcoming elections?”

Sven felt his stomach sour at the thought of that. The Social Democratic Party had been delaying holding elections in the hope that events would change the status quo. That had indeed happened, just not in the way which they might have liked. Sven was very aware of who some of the likely coalition partners in the next Government were going to be having investigated them with good cause in the past. The idea of them being in positions of influence when in Sven’s opinion they belonged in either prison or an insane asylum was a bit galling.

“I understand that Heinz Kissinger was seen going up there ahead of us” Wolf said, “God only knows what sort of nonsense he is filling the President’s ears with.”

Sven was annoyed by that piece of information. Kissinger was well known to be a Foreign Policy expert, him trying to burnish his domestic credentials was something of a worrying sign when the presence of his Aide, Friedhelm Busse was factored in. Busse had written several articles in the sort of newspapers that were not considered respectable, the sort where he had suggested that a large fraction of the population of the German Empire had no place in it, oddly that would include the likes of Heinz Kissinger. The logical direction of that sort of thinking was ultimately eliminationist. He had no idea that the BII knew all of this, that he was very much the wolf in sheep’s clothing and was only in the center-right National Liberals to mask his true nature. Busse was a bigot and a brute underneath who would have remained a member of the far-right Nationalist Parties that truly aligned with his thinking if that had been a means to achieve power rather than obscurity.

As Sven and Wolf left the elevator, they saw Kissinger and Busse walking the other way. Sven was inadvertently connected politically with Katherine von Mischner. She had never forgotten her working-class origin and that was reflected in those she supported for office. That put Sven on the opposite side of the aisle from Heinz Kissinger. Of course, Sven knew in his bones that sooner or later the BII would be investigating a politically and/or ethnically sensitive case involving an assault and/or murder that Busse had committed. It seemed wise to avoid eye contact and avoid a conversation that everyone would swiftly come to regret.

“I hate politicians” Wolf muttered as they made their way through the offices occupied by the President’s Staff. These were the people whose efforts to turn the blizzard of paperwork that came in from all of the Levels and Divisions of the Federal Police into something coherent. “No matter how things have gone tits up, they will always try to find an angle to swing it to their advantage.”

“I would be careful” Sven said, “The day will come when you need to mind the politics of a given situation and that attitude will just make things more complicated for everyone.”

“Is that all?” Wolf asked.

“That and I will totally kick your butt if you mess up an investigation like that” Sven hat replied.

Sven suspected that Wolf would have done better in the days when the Emperor was an Autocrat. Niceties such as due process and rule-of-law not really part of the conversation. The thing that didn’t really enter Wolf’s thinking was that at the end of the process they needed to make legal cases that were airtight. Cutting corners was putting a “Kick me!” sigh on your back knowing full well that the Judges were more than happy to give that kicking to you.
 
What are the incentives for Berlin for the continued retention of Poland in the Empire? Is there a substantial minority after the loss of Galicia? Cause at this point it seems that Poland has been a money drain for decades and there’s little reason to cling to it.

For the Polish, it would not be nice. With the loss of Galicia they are completely surrounded by Germany and German-friendly Belarus, with German ports being their only possible ones.

I think it should be time for the German empire to rid itself of the states that don’t want to be part of the Empire. Poland should definitely go at this point, and have a referendum in Slovakia to let them decide. Should they choose to leave, let them secede on amicable terms and keep economic ties.

That should still leave the Empire with Germany proper, Galicia, Bohemia and the Baltics, which include pretty much the all the most developed areas
 
Probably something along the lines of if they were willing to try a civil war while in the empire we don't want to find out what they would get up to out of the empire...
 
Probably something along the lines of if they were willing to try a civil war while in the empire we don't want to find out what they would get up to out of the empire...
What can they realistically do, though? They are surrounded and landlocked, they have no chance against the Heer, and would end up being economically reliant on Germany, whether they are in the empire or not.
 
As Nancy said earlier, it's a shotgun marriage.
I get that that's how it was in the past, but at this point it seems that there's no incentive for Germany to hold onto Poland when Warsaw clearly wants to leave.

The gist of the arrangement seemed to be that Germany needed the agricultural output of Poland and that Poland needed rhe economic support and protection from USSR from Germany, but that is already obsolete.

By now we are probably fairly deep into the Green Revolution, so Germany is likely self sufficient in terms of food. Even then, with fairly good relationships with its neighbors, Germany does not have to worry about keeping agricultural production inside the Empire to counteract a blockade, and with Ukraine being a virtual satellite, the food situation should more than covered.
 
It should also be noted that polish ultra-nationalists want to leave - wether this reflects the attitudes of majority or even a sizeable minority of the polish people is hazy.
 
“I understand that Heinz Kissinger was seen going up there ahead of us” Wolf said, “God only knows what sort of nonsense he is filling the President’s ears with.”

Sven was annoyed by that piece of information. Kissinger was well known to be a Foreign Policy expert, him trying to burnish his domestic credentials was something of a worrying sign when the presence of his Aide, Friedhelm Busse was factored in. Busse had written several articles in the sort of newspapers that were not considered respectable, the sort where he had suggested that a large fraction of the population of the German Empire had no place in it, oddly that would include the likes of Heinz Kissinger.
Possible candidates for America's 'Man In Berlin'?
 
Kissinger being willing to work with a man who'd happily murder him is peak Kissinger.

Personally though, I'd have seen him in sports management instead of politics without the Nazis, perfect blend for his devotion to football and arrogant self-centered personality, the latter of which was definitely present as early as his childhood.

Definitely about to be a CDU/Other coalition government time, which will be "fun" for all involved. Depending on who the coalition partner is, could see a scaling back of foreign involvements outside of the immediate German sphere, or even worse, you could wind up with a situation where the CDU is only in power with the backing of Polish delegates, and in return for their backing, Poland gets a referendum on Independence.
 
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