Stupid Luck and Happenstance, Thread III

So yes, here she is acting like a spoiled brat who wants to have everything her way.
Everyone can be selfish in turns, especially under the right circumstances. Like when they are supposed to be at the center of festivities and most of their requests have been disregarded, yet they can clearly see almost everyone around them has their own agenda.
 
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ferdi254

Banned
Yep that is true but that is how the game is played. And you cannot enjoy all the advantages of the game while trying to have the rules bend in your way. Being a princess in a monarchy is one of the best paid roles in the world. Best education possible, no material worries for your life (in fact materially you enjoy a 1 in a million lifestyle) best health care available...

and actually no hard work to get to this as you are literally born with a golden spoon in your mouth.
And yes, that all comes with a price tag. TANSTAAFL.

And she even gets to decide whom she marries, just one generation previos hardly possible, two ago unthinkable.

And actually a large wedding is seriously less to live through then a winter in Antarctica.
 
Yep that is true but that is how the game is played. And you cannot enjoy all the advantages of the game while trying to have the rules bend in your way. Being a princess in a monarchy is one of the best paid roles in the world. Best education possible, no material worries for your life (in fact materially you enjoy a 1 in a million lifestyle) best health care available...

and actually no hard work to get to this as you are literally born with a golden spoon in your mouth.
And yes, that all comes with a price tag. TANSTAAFL.
I've never been a fan of this argument, because it implies one chooses to be born a royal.

Like, to me, it'd only make sense if one could choose to be a royal or not. In that case, you could go 'TANSTAAFL, you chose to remain one so take the rough with the smooth'.

But you can't choose otherwise. Kiki can't turn around and go 'I don't want to be a princess anymore, I just want to be a normal person who's working for her living and living on her own terms'. Even if she could abdicate her position, she'd still be tied by blood to royalty. So...not an argument that really makes sense. She never signed up for this, she was born stuck with it. TANSTAAFL only works as an argument for something you choose entirely of your own volition.

Also, quite honestly I think the insistence on a dress is kinda silly - don't see any reason why she shouldn't be let wear her military dress uniform.
 

ferdi254

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Well I never choose to be born a German, yet I still got to enjoy all the advantages out of it but must live with the disadvantages either.
And to be more along your lines I never chose to be born with the gender or the skin color I have and it is much harder to change especially the latter.

There are certain things in your life you cannot really change as they come with your birth.

And for the dress: See Scandinavia. Because that is what the public wants a royal wedding to be like. And you dress according to the wishes of the paying public.
 
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And to be more along your lines I never chose to be born with the gender or the skin color I have and it is much harder to change especially the latter.

There are certain things in your life you cannot really change as they come with your birth.
Well yes, but you wouldn't say someone should just accept if society places strictures on someone because of their gender, skin colour etc. We'd encourage them if they try to expand their rights, privileges, etc.

Likewise, no I don't think we should just expect Kiki to sit back and take stuff 'because tradition'. If she wants to buck the trend, why not? :)
 

ferdi254

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Because just the same tradition gives her a material life 99,99% of hhe world‘s population could only dream of with a liberty of choices how to lead that life that 98% of the population can only dream of.

If the price for that is you cannot pick your wedding dress because the people who pay for the life you lead expect you to wear a certain one you do not like, than complaints about the price being too high will not be met with sympathy by 99.99% of said paying population.

And society places strictures on everybody. Some roles come with prefab sets of pro and cons. An oscar winning actress complaing about the lack of anonymity is...
 
No one is completely right or completely wrong about Kik in this situation it is just that she is on two different tracks there is the "Princess" track that has certain obligations for her but it has given her opportunities and access to things that ordinary people do not and in many cases never had and she has made the most of it and is worthy of those privileges that she has received.
Then there is the "Fischer" track which has Kiki interacting with people in ordinary, everyday life from her days in school and University to her military service and now in her medical career.
Most of the times they run parallel but in this case there is a divergence between the two and this time the "Princess" track is the one being used.
 
But, isn't a Harry/Meghan "withdrawal from Royal duties" always an option?

One may not "choose" to be born royal, but no system in the 20th Century can force you to "remain" royal.

You're right about that, and that's only right IMO.

However, what Meghan and Harry did wouldn't have been an option at this point in time AFAIK - I mean heck, today it caused all kinds of ructions. Admittedly a large chunk of that was because it was kind of a first, but there was all sorts of questioning if it could be done, finger-wagging etc. In the 70s...

I mean, I have a feeling if Kiki thought it was an option she'd take it like a shot, but at this stage in time nobody would even think it was an option.
 
Is the medical services dress uniform sufficiently formal?

I'm joking. It's a more progressive 1970, but still 1970 and it would hurt too many people Kiki cares about (like Voll) for her to play games with the marriage.

It's rather sad when a brides special day is more about other people, a lot of whom she doesn't paticularly like, than her.

On the other hand, Kiki collects excuses to be unhappy the way other people collect stamps.
 
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Part 118, Chapter 1974
Chapter One Thousand Nine Hundred Seventy-Four



20th April 1970

Mitte, Berlin

Niko had thought that he was going home to his Grandfather’s estate and that he could spend the weeks of the Easter Holiday in the forest. Instead, he had discovered that he was going to the townhouse in Berlin where his family lived while they were in the city and while that was a bit of a disappointment, he did find Berlin exciting. That was why he was less than thrilled to learn that was out of the question until there was an adult to go along with him, which wouldn’t be until next week because of the wedding. So, they were stuck in what had been dubbed the activity room under the supervision of Ina, Niko’s doe-eyed cousin who was Uncle Hans and Aunt Helene’s twenty-one-year-old daughter. He had swiftly learned the hard way that while Ina might have seemed to be a pushover at first, she was anything but that to anyone who didn’t know her. Even Bas, as stubborn as he could be, knew that Ina wasn’t to be trifled with.

That was also why he was aghast that Marie Alexandra seemed to come and go as she pleased. The explanation he had been given was that his cousin had lived in Berlin her entire life. She was older than him and street-smart in a way that Niko would probably never be. He also couldn’t help but notice that she was now at least a handspan taller than he was. The two-year difference in their respective ages suddenly was a far larger deal than it ever had been in the past. Today, Marie was accompanied by two younger girls, Aunt Katherine’s ward Sophie and Sophie’s best friend Franziska.

Into this, there was Bas and his sisters to contend with as Bas’ Mother was playing a key role in the wedding that was such a huge deal and shoving them in with the “other children” was seen as the best solution. Niko swiftly learned that Gretchen’s crush on him was still ongoing, much to Anna’s very vocal annoyance.

Ina had promised that they would be going to the park later so that the boys could chase a football around. Niko couldn’t help but notice that she talked to them the same way she did to their Grandfather’s Akita hunting dogs. Bas may have responded well to this, but there were times when Niko wondered if he was much smarter that those dogs.

Before they had left Wahlstatt a dozen of their classmates had finally decided that Bas needed to be taught a lesson and they had waited until Niko wasn’t around to talk them out of it before they had jumped him in a hallway. That had been the moment when their plan had gone sideways. Bas had always been among the biggest and strongest in their class, and this had not been the first fight he had found himself in. He had anticipated that trouble was coming, and he had been waiting for someone to take a swing at him. As soon as they had realized that Bas was going to put up a fight, most of them had chickened out. Still, Bas had found himself in a three against one fight until Niko had been among those breaking it up a few minutes later. Even as Staber Arbeit had been giving him the stink eye, Bas had taunted the three who had tried to give him a beating. The black eye and fat lip he had been left with had swiftly healed in the days since, and Niko had realized that Bas had learned nothing from the experience.

The activity room itself was a room that was painted a warm yellow and a hardwood floor with mirrors reflecting the bay windows that let in a generous amount of sunlight. It had been put to a variety of uses over the years. It had been a used as a studio by Niko’s grandmother when she had tried to get into watercolors, his father and aunts had learned to dance in this room, and his grandfather had used it for an exercise room. It was that last purpose that was the reason for Marie and Anna finding two of Opa’s Fencing sabers that they were playing with. The two of them were messing about with wild cuts and just waving the swords about.

“You look foolish” Niko said to Marie.

“Really?” Marie asked, “If you are having fun, then nothing is foolish.”

Of course, Marie would believe that. Everything about her was frivolous, it had been that way for as long as Niko could remember. Today she was wearing a blue and silver Drum Major’s coat that she had acquired somewhere, an oversized linen blouse and red corduroy pants. Her eclectic wardrobe choices reflecting her thinking.

“Fencing is serious business” Niko said, “Clearly not for you.”

“Is that a fact” Marie said with a slight smile.

“Yes” Niko said, matter of fact.

“Give Nikolaus your sabre Anna” Marie said.

Anna handed Niko the sword and he was left feeling rather foolish. Marie knew what she was doing. No matter what he did here he would look like an idiot. That was when Marie moved towards him in a wild attack that he moved to fend off, only to see that her form straightened out at the last possible second and she delivered a perfect thrust that eluded his guard, and he felt the touch on his chest.

“Point for Marie” Bas said with a laugh. Niko had been beating the socks off him for months. Which was why he was clearly delighted to see someone score on Niko.

That was when Niko went on the attack aiming a thrust at Marie’s midsection only to have her neatly parry it. As the younger girls cheered her on, Niko remembered whose daughter Marie was and her ambition to become a pirate a few years earlier had apparently included her taking lessons. Still, Niko was the best in his class in this sport and Marie clearly wasn’t taking this seriously. Drawing back, he again attacked, this time though Marie side-stepped the blow and Niko rushed past her. She then made a point of poking him in the backside much to the mirth of their audience.
 
Well the training of him must be terrible. You do not expose yourself like that in a fight.
More like he is an amateur who allowed himself to behave rashly out of anger at being one upped by his cousin, who he had also badly underestimated. Sabastian isn't the only one whose behavior leaves a lot to be desired at times among this crowd.
 

ferdi254

Banned
Well and that is exactly the first one you should learn. And normally fencing teachers did not leave it at a small pun but in reality if you ignored the most basic lessons (the uppermost, if you expose yourself you are dead) you would end up with serious bruises.

Fencing as all martial arts is first and foremost about disipline and if that had not been instilled into him in one year of training he either is extremely resistant to taking lessons (german expression, a very flat learning curve) or his teacher is not good.
 
Remember the connections that Kat has, she would very likely have Marie and others females have had them taught some of the ways of the Onna-Musha in Japan. These were the female Samurai of old. Niko would not necessarily know this if he has not been around them.

 
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