Stupid Luck and Happenstance, Thread III

Moldova has a minority Russian population OTL with a corrupt (even by local standards) little breakaway republic and they weren't all Stalin era transplants.
As I have said before on Austria-Hungary threads, Trieste was Italian in 1914 but its hinterland wasn't and, as better medical care and mechanized farming kick in, along with Trieste being Austria - Slovenia's principal port ( and thus not a dying city like OTL) there will be more Austrians, Slovenes and probably Croats in Trieste than Italians ( who will be the old city families complaining about the blow ins).
Moldova's Russian minority is mainly in Transnistria, which is east of the river Dniester. The Romanians only annexed territory up to the river, meaning that Transnistria would have been in the Soviet Union. Moldova's Russian minority west of the Dniester is scattered around the north, and is too dispersed to organise a secessionist movement.

As for Trieste, only P-M knows the answer, but it is likely that an external power stepped in to ensure that Austria kept Trieste as a compromise, with Gorizia to ensure a land connection to the rest of Austria. Since Yugoslavia does not exist ITTL, in a shooting match or full-fledged war, I have a hard time seeing Slovenia or Croatia keep any disputed territory from Italian ambitions. They're simply not strong enough on their own.
 
Nope, I must respectfully disagree. Both sounds entirely appropriate. Also shooting is way to pleasant. In the interests if full disclosure I admit bias, I was once the father of a teenage daughter.

That’s true... he can multitask :p Or just get drunk and cry while looking at her baby photos.

Well, there’s fathers and fathers. There’s those who feel like you presumably did, and there’s those who once the girl’s eighteen and out of the house confine themselves to comments re protection, self-defence classes and the use thereof (or in one variant, a friend of mine from Alabama whose father was the exact opposite of strict...but got her a very large knife XD ). Unfortunately for Manfred, Kurt doesn’t strike me as the latter kind...


Kat's main concern is unexpected pregnancies.

True.

Manfred & Suse's parents will have additional concerns. Hans & Helene will be worried that he will revert to being an idiot and break Suse's heart.

Then again, heartbreak is par for the course when it comes to first serious relationships, unless the two end up happily marrying.

Which isn’t guaranteed, of course - the two could have a relationship/live together for a few years, split up and end up marrying entirely unknown people a few partners each down the line :p

Ditto Gerta, who will also be torn between squealing with delight that they are a couple again and worried because her little girl is growing up.

True tvat

Kurt, as
theg*ddam*hoi2fan mentioned, will be split between ordering a firing squad for Manfred or a convent for Suse.

A convent is also a possibility. Though if he’s super-paranoid he might combine that with my suggestion XD

Then again, this all depends on how they find out. Given both Manfred and Suse Rosa spend most of their time away from home these days, it could be that things don’t come to light for a while.

GERTA: I’m glad you two are back together but we need to talk about things...

SUSE ROSA: ...ah, well Mutti, we’ve been together for the last year. And he basically has moved into my new flat over the last month.

KURT: ...What.
 
Though mind you, there is a ‘Kill or Cure’ option for Manfred dealing with both Kat and Kurt (based on something I saw on Reddit).

KAT/KURT: *Various snarled threats, demands he respect Suse Rosa*
MANFRED: *Calmly* Of course I respect Suse Rosa. I always have, and I would never hurt her. What I do not respect, however, are people who threaten me. So shall we start over like the adults that everyone concerned is?

If he’s still alive after thirty seconds, then neither of them will ever give him or Suse Rosa hassle again.

Would a Tiger pennant fly over the castle when she arrives? Would she, as befits her rank, have a small bodyguard of KSK troops with her? Would she "stop in" to see the mayor while she was there?

He may decide now is the time for that foreign holiday his family has been talking about. To Alaska.
 
To be fair, I am not the first to say it, but I have said/recommended it twice or so in the last couple of months.

Also to be fair to the author, PM has said he is not that great at map-making.

I can sympathise with PM entirely. I’ve done projects where I’d really like maps, but I have zero talent for it...
 
Though mind you, there is a ‘Kill or Cure’ option for Manfred dealing with both Kat and Kurt (based on something I saw on Reddit).

KAT/KURT: *Various snarled threats, demands he respect Suse Rosa*
MANFRED: *Calmly* Of course I respect Suse Rosa. I always have, and I would never hurt her. What I do not respect, however, are people who threaten me. So shall we start over like the adults that everyone concerned is?

If he’s still alive after thirty seconds, then neither of them will ever give him or Suse Rosa hassle again.



He may decide now is the time for that foreign holiday his family has been talking about. To Alaska.
It’s not Kat/Kurt vs Manfred, Gerta will have all kinds of nice things to say about Suse and him. So you will have Gerta be able to actually say that she trusts them and that the other people need to lay off, she can say remember how I Was? Well they figured it out.
 
What possible reason would Kat have to be hostile to the mayor?
His son asked her daughter to dance in a polite and respectful manner, they danced and then talked for a bit. What is wrong with a couple of 11 year olds doing that?

Kurt is in no position get on his high horse with Manfred, Gerta was heavily pregnant before he even proposed. Manfred is, it seems, considerably more mature than Kurt ever was in these matters.
 
Gerta be able to actually say that she trusts them and that the other people need to lay off, she can say remember how I Was? Well they figured it out.
NO NO NO Kurt will remember how it was between him and Gerta and that will drive him even more over the edge in wanting to use Manfred as a target at the next gunnery drills.
 
Kurt is in no position get on his high horse with Manfred, Gerta was heavily pregnant before he even proposed. Manfred is, it seems, considerably more mature than Kurt ever was in these matters.

Indeed. Manfred’s mature, odds are Suse Rosa will be arranging contraceptives... Gerta will probably point out the two of them are far less likely to have anything unexpected happen than if they were dating others.
 
What possible reason would Kat have to be hostile to the mayor?
Kat - no reason whatsoever, however, her reputation has preceeded her somewhat. Its her reputation that is potentially causing the Mayor sleepless nights.
In reality, if the subject of his son's actions come up, the Mayor has nothing to worry about, and neither does his son judging by @Peabody-Martini's description.
 
This last post touched on the Rural-Urban divide that is going on right now in Germany at this point IOTL 1967 America four of the most popular television shows are highlighting this, The Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Petticoat Junction, and Gomer Pyle: USMC.
I could see the German versions of these show being popular with the right tweaking.
A poor rural family from some German equivalent of the Appalachia suddenly becomes rich and moves to Berlin, a rich lawyer and his ultra sophisticated wife from another country moves to a run down farm in a surreal valley where everybody breaks the "Fourth Wall" except the lawyer, a big country bumpkin is a misfit even to more misfits in the Marine Infantry.
 
"Look Rieir, I know that charcter might look and sound like you, but I'm sure it's pure coincidence and my sister-in-law didn't base Stabs Reier on you..."
 

ferdi254

Banned
Two eleven years old dancing in the 60s nobody gives a damn. Do not look at it with todays eyes.

And the women in this timeline are incredibly lucky. I remember I once read that 70% of all women asked in the middle of the 60s that they never had an orgasm even after the meaning of the word had been explained to them...
 
Figure Kinsey and Hirshfeld, never mind any of the thousands of others I can't name, would mean that sex would be somewhat more liberal in theory at least....

As for the children dancing, they're kids, no one should care. The Mayor is talking from an urban/rural divide issue, not a "kids dancing = marraige" issue. Hell, it's kind of endearing that he is watching out for his son when there are parents out there who wouldn't be prepared to care about their child at all.
 

ferdi254

Banned
Just for OTL laws. You needed to be over 21 to be an adult but for sex once you were over 16 you were free game (both sexes) unless your partner had you in dependency.
 
Part 110, Chapter 1812
Chapter One Thousand Eight Hundred Twelve



23rd August 1967

Mitte, Berlin

Getting back into the swing of things proved to be a bit of a challenge and then Manny had gone on leave pending his appointment to the War Academy. It was hardly surprising that things had played out that way. Sudden changes, followed by periods of adjustment, followed by more changes.

First the culture in New York had been vastly different and what passed for beer in America was an atrocity. Still, they had accomplished both their stated mission and the covert one in Panama. Afterwards, on the long flight back across the Atlantic, Manny had been so bored he had read the articles in the Playboy magazine that he had picked up as a souvenir. The article titled All the Questions you were too Embarrassed to Ask had caught his attention. It included a short history of the Institute for the Science of Sexuality and mentioned Magnus Hirschfeld by name. Manny had been a bit surprised to learn that it was located just a few blocks from the townhouse where his family lived while they were in Berlin.

Manny had heard jokes about that organization since before he had even understood what they had meant, that they catered to Homosexuals and supposedly had the largest collection of pornography in the world. The article had painted a completely different picture from that. About how the embarrassment and shame that people felt resulted in secrecy and a number of unhealthy practices. The article expressly mentioned that everyone was welcome, and the archives were far from the only services they offered. On the airplane, Manny had dismissed the whole concept as ridiculous, at first.

Things had changed when he had gone on leave.

His family had gone on summer holiday to the Baltic and because they had no idea he was coming home, so they had gone ahead without him. Manny’s mother had offered to buy him a train ticket so that he could join them, but he had already promised Suse that they would have the overdue talk that he had been dreading for months. Suse wanted to know where their relationship was going, just how serious he was, and most of all to not join those her treated her like a child. Needing to have answers as well as a desire not to rattle about an empty house had made visiting the site of the world’s largest smut gallery not seem so far-fetched.

That wasn’t what had greeted him though. The nondescript building looked like any other office, only the nameplate revealed the true nature of what it was. Poking his head through the door, the Secretary had just given him a warm smile who had told him to wait until she could get to him.

“Do you need a referral to a clinic that won’t inform your Commander for whatever treatment you need?” The Secretary had asked.

“How…?” Manny had started to ask. He wasn’t wearing a uniform, so how had she figured it out so quickly?

“That haircut gives you away” The Secretary said, and Manny realized that she must see this constantly. A failed a short-arm inspection was the sort of thing that could land a soldier and their CO in hot water. Getting such a matter taken care of confidentially would be priceless.

“No” Manny had said, “I have a different situation.”

He had then paused, and the Secretary looked at him expectantly.

“My girlfriend… is, er… sort of giving me one last chance” Manny said, “When her parents got married, she was kind of already on the way. Her father, who commands Panzers, has said that he will grind me to paste under the tracks of an entire Division if history repeats itself and that is nothing compared to what my Aunt said she will do to me.”

The Secretary had looked amused by that. “So, the referral you need is for family planning?” She asked.

She must have seen the blood rush from Manny’s face as he sputtered for answer. “It’s about not having a family until you are ready for one” The Secretary had said, “Is that all?”

Manny had then tried to think of what else to ask but couldn’t think of the right questions.

“How do I not mess things up?” Manny asked, “Suse already dumped me once, she’ll not hesitate to do it again.”

“Oh, relationship advice” The Secretary said, the tone of her voice suggesting that Manny had brought up something akin to dropping a live snake on her desk.

That was how Manny had found himself talking to one of the Doctors. The conversation had been wide ranging and informative. The sour note had come at the end when the Doctor had loaded Manny up with a dozen pamphlets and informed him that keeping young men like him from becoming public health hazards was a key part of their purpose. Later, when he had gotten together with Suse he had used several suggestions he had been given including one of the alternative examples of intimacy when things had taken an unexpected direction. Suse’s reaction had been one of surprise to say the least and she had left shortly after she had asked him to stop.

Now, a few weeks later Manny had yet to hear back from Suse and he wondered if he had messed something else up this time.
 
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