Agreed, Johnny Boy's probably exaggerating there.Probably just not slaughter but also famine, pestilence, and epidemics, and we must remember that John may not be the most reliable source of that information.
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Agreed, Johnny Boy's probably exaggerating there.Probably just not slaughter but also famine, pestilence, and epidemics, and we must remember that John may not be the most reliable source of that information.
I just thought, what is the legal status of amphetamines? Are they still given to Luftwaffe pilots?
JFK has obviously had three years he didn't live to see OTL already but he still has the Addison's Disease and a busy stress filled lifestyle. I doubt that he is going to make old bones. Likely not to survive more than another five or six years unfortunately. TTL, he is probably going to be an instance of the trope of the busy, successful lawyer/businessman dropping dead at his desk.From the point of view of the neighbours, keeping China occupied is a double edged sword. They might be too occupied with fighting each other to mess with them, but they might not either. A warlord could very easily decide to expand his power base & gain a few more resources by trying to carve off some turf from a smaller neighbouring nation such as Mongolia or Tibet, gambling that can pull it off.
As for Jack Kennedy & his friends across the Irish Sea, not to mention their counterparts in Ireland, Jack is probably wishing that he had a longer spoon. Of course, both the British and the Irish (official & unofficial) almost certainly regard him as a relatively neutral party & conduit between the respective parties. Plus there are his ties with the Germans. He is trustworthy because everyone knows that he works with the others.
I've never heard of The Rocking Vicars so I had to look them up. But I have heard of the bass player. It would be interesting to see Lemmy open up for TTL's Fab Four.Have the Rocking Vicars in Berlin at the same time as the Moondogs, (maybe opening for the Moondogs), then let loose upon the world a bass player influenced by the hard moondogs sound, Berlin gutter Jazz and Blues.
Indeed, but avoiding stress and a fairly abstemious lifestyle are recommended, neither of which are really true of him OTL or TTL. And, as we are well aware in 2020, it puts him in the position of having "an underlying health condition".Actually Addison's Disease is very treatable with hydrocortisone or prednisone tablets and people can lead normal lives with the disease, it just makes having surgery more risky and the dosage should be increased for that.
I'd argue he is under less stress TTL than OTL, but yes, it is still a ticking bomb health wise for him.Indeed, but avoiding stress and a fairly abstemious lifestyle are recommended, neither of which are really true of him OTL or TTL. And, as we are well aware in 2020, it puts him in the position of having "an underlying health condition".
Joe senior died in 1967 OTL and will have been incapacitated by a stroke some years before that, so Joe Junior is effectively the family head. Robert is likely a TD and heading the political wing of the Kennedys. With no godless atheistic Communists for the last twenty years, I can't see him getting into counter espionage.I'd argue he is under less stress TTL than OTL, but yes, it is still a ticking bomb health wise for him.
He might want to seriously look into retiring early, or being put on reduced work, being set up by his firm as handling only certain extremely VIP cases and the occasional other case if he feels like it (Civil Liberties and such). The firm won't want to kill the goose with the golden eggs after all.
By the way, question for PM, but with the words "Civil Liberties" and the topic of Kennedy's, I do have to ask, what is Robert up to TTL? Obviously a very different life, but I'm curious how different.
Robert was probably the closest the Kennedys ever came to being chaste but that just meant that he was faithful to his wife after his marriage. I can't really see him with a vow of celibacy, Knights of Malta is probably about as far as he is likely to head in that direction.In my mind I had Robert Francis Kennedy becoming a Priest and ironically basically clearing out all the sexual abusers in the Catholic Church clergy that he can find.
Joe senior died in 1967 OTL and will have been incapacitated by a stroke some years before that, so Joe Junior is effectively the family head. Robert is likely a TD and heading the political wing of the Kennedys. With no godless atheistic Communists for the last twenty years, I can't see him getting into counter espionage.
In my mind I had Robert Francis Kennedy becoming a Priest and ironically basically clearing out all the sexual abusers in the Catholic Church clergy that he can find.
Robert was probably the closest the Kennedys ever came to being chaste but that just meant that he was faithful to his wife after his marriage. I can't really see him with a vow of celibacy, Knights of Malta is probably about as far as he is likely to head in that direction.
TTL back in an Ireland with no land border there won't be a big lot of scope for that. Maybe a bit of money laundering, condom and dirty book smuggling, but mainly they will be legit. Irish distilleries probably won't have declined as much TTL with Collins as the leading figure post independence rather than Dev and a richer Central Europe, UK and France (no WW2 debt or trade disruption more than offsets no Marshall aid and no NI leaves the UK fiscally around 3% better off each year from 1955 to OTL as we are a net fiscal drain) plus an Eastern European and Russian market that didn't exist OTL). Kennedy money is likely to be in booze and possibly a chain of bookmakers. Maybe use old US connections to be the local distributor for Seagrams and to be a Coca Cola bottler.So who takes over the "criminal enterprises" that Senior was known to have even in OTL. Joe jr or Ted?
TTL back in an Ireland with no land border there won't be a big lot of scope for that. Maybe a bit of money laundering, condom and dirty book smuggling, but mainly they will be legit. Irish distilleries probably won't have declined as much TTL with Collins as the leading figure post independence rather than Dev and a richer Central Europe, UK and France (no WW2 debt or trade disruption more than offsets no Marshall aid and no NI leaves the UK fiscally around 3% better off each year from 1955 to OTL as we are a net fiscal drain) plus an Eastern European and Russian market that didn't exist OTL). Kennedy money is likely to be in booze and possibly a chain of bookmakers. Maybe use old US connections to be the local distributor for Seagrams and to be a Coca Cola bottler.
You could be right, I thought that the whole family had moved to Ireland, all I can recall of the rest of them in the story is a meeting between Joe Jr and JFK.Que?
I thought that JFK alone went to Ireland to escape his family problems (nevermind his own) whereas everyone else was still in the US...
EDIT: well, truth be told he went elsewhere to escape Kat, but was screwed over by FLeming and then found Kat again.
You could be right, I thought that the whole family had moved to Ireland, all I can recall of the rest of them in the story is a meeting between Joe Jr and JFK.
It would be ironic if Kick is still alive along with Billy Harrington and are still married to each other, after all Joe Sr. was probably had the most liquid assets wealth in the world ITTL as he was IOT L and as we all know cash washes away a multitude of sins.Of course! It all comes back to me now. I wonder if Kick got to be Duchess of Devonshire in this TL? Or were the Kennedys too tarnished for Billy Hartington to marry into?
Well Billy Hartington won't have been killed in 1944 by the Germans TTL and will have been the Dook since his father died in 1950. And by all accounts he was a much more stable sensible character than Lord Fitzwilliam who was something of a playboy and adrenaline junkie. So not likely to have crashed a plane or a speedboat.It would be ironic if Kick is still alive along with Billy Harrington and are still married to each other, after all Joe Sr. was probably had the most liquid assets wealth in the world ITTL as he was IOT L and as we all know cash washes away a multitude of sins.