Stupid Luck and Happenstance, Thread II

Remind me, what belongs to ATLs "Austria"? Does it still have Tyrol?
Hopefully the marriage can eventually turn into an Anschluss~!
Eh, ITLs Reich is a strange beast. Could be everything from a wierd customs-and-trade-union to "Kaiser(in) der Deutschen" ;-)
 
So. I just wanted to clear some things. After WWI the Habsburg empire collapsed. But what territory got who? Slovakia became part of the German empire but what land dose it have and why did it become part of Germany? What about Slovenia and the Sudetenlad and Transilvania? The Romanians lost a war after all.
 
So. I just wanted to clear some things. After WWI the Habsburg empire collapsed. But what territory got who? Slovakia became part of the German empire but what land dose it have and why did it become part of Germany? What about Slovenia and the Sudetenlad and Transilvania? The Romanians lost a war after all.


The sudetenland ist mostly bohemia so it is kinda in the german empire like slovakia.

Well we know that hungary and romania really really really don't like each other.

Not sure about Croatia, Slovenia and the other Balkan States.
 
Sudetenland is part of Deutschland proper, Bohemia is a Kingdom with a separate distinct political entity that is part of the German Empire, it will have Michael the son of Louis Ferdinand and Kira as their sovereign, Slovakia is a protectorate with a separate distinct political entity.
The Austrian Question is does Austria want to become part of the German Empire after centuries of being separate from them and another question is how does Austria economically stack up with Germany?
This may be comparable to the OTL reunification of Germany when there was massive subsidies to the former GDR that still has not in almost 30 years brought the standard of living close to the western part of Germany.
As for the marriage of Louis Ferdinand and Charlotte itself there should be no problems with Charlotte remaining a Catholic because even if she does give birth to sons and they are baptized as Catholics, there is still the the three sons of Louis Ferdinand and Kira ahead in the line of succession.
 

Grimbald

Monthly Donor
Why would you assume that Louis and Charlotte's sons would be Catholic?

Usually those things are worked out prior to marriage and almost always in favor of the religion of the reigning monarch.
 
Part 83, Chapter 1275
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Chapter One Thousand Two Hundred Seventy-Five


14th April 1958

Cam Ranh, Khánh Hòa Province, Vietnam

The good news was that Ilse didn’t immediately contact a solicitor, still the letter that Albrecht received when she learned that he had volunteered to command Dioscuri VI had suggested beyond the scathing words what she thought of that idea. There was evidence that she had done her best to shove the pen through the page as she had written it. Ilse admitted that she would be happy if he made it home by the start of June because Dioscuri VI was to splash down in the Atlantic. However, him getting blown to bits or incinerated on reentry leaving her a new mother and a widow would not be acceptable to her. Her opinion was that he had acted stupidly and impulsively. Hadn’t he watched any movies? He should know how these things ended.

That last part had puzzled him until he realized that Ilse was getting at the narrative cheap shot that screenwriters loved to use. The guy who has everything the live for is the one marked for death from the instant title appeared on the screen. It would be a punch to the gut except theater crowds had seen it dozens of times and cynically saw it coming from a thousand kilometers away.

“She does have a point” Sigi said when Albrecht had discussed it at the Raumfahrer club that had been established at Cam Ranh. That did put her at odds with the rest of the pilots, but most of them would give their left nut to be on an upcoming flight. As one of the few men in the Raumfahrer program who had already been in orbit, Albrecht had a leg up in getting assigned to be a Pilot Commander. What had to be worse from Ilse’s perspective, when Albrecht had volunteered for Dioscuri VI the Admiral had shown Albrecht the long-term planning beyond the Dioscuri project. The Taxidiotis project was planned to start when Dioscuri ended in a couple years. Taxidiotis was true exploration and the first real step towards what was the goal of the entire Space Program according to Wernher von Braun, cities in space.

Just looking at Taxidiotis, Albrecht had felt the rush of excitement that he felt whenever he looked at something that he knew would be great. He also knew that if he rushed to agree to get involved with the upcoming project without speaking with his wife then he wouldn’t need to worry about getting killed in an accident. That was because Ilse would murder him.


Berlin

“The Charlottenburg Palace is a tourist attraction run by the Hohenzollern trust” Kat said, “It is also where the hundred meets, while the Order is active. That is something that I figure you are already aware of.”

Kat watched as Charlotte looked around at the Eighteenth-Century finery that the palace was famous for. She had spent years working in Vienna on behalf of the welfare of children. She had actually gone into the working-class neighborhoods and seen the frequently difficult situations in families that arose when resources were stretched too thin or how sometimes people were cruel just because they thought that they could get away with it. A few questions from Kat had revealed that she was under no illusions about how such situations were limited to any one portion of humanity. Still, watching her look around the palace Kat was starting to think that there was a problem. Unless Charlotte had hidden depths, the Berlin Court was going to eat her alive.

Of all the women who could have caught Louis Ferdinand’s eye. Why did it have to be a Habsburg Archduchess? Kat thought to herself for what must have been the thousandth time. So far, the announcement of the engagement had upset the delicate balance that had been achieved in Eastern Europe. It was fortunate that the Austrian Government showed little interest in closer ties with Germany beyond trade and diplomatic concessions that were expected due to improved relations due to the marriage.

At the League of Nations, a massive circus was unfolding with way too many clowns. The long simmering dispute between Romania and Hungary had flared up. One would have thought that the Romanians would have had their hands full trying to contain the open revolt that was happening in Moldova. They apparently could divert from that long enough to saber rattle against the Hungarians over the border dispute that had been going on for decades. Then there were the Italians and the Slovenians who were once again making a diplomatic push for the seaport of Trieste that still belonged to Austria and against each-other. The French and British had never stopped worrying about an expansionist Germany. Now they were making noises about how they wouldn’t recognize any attempt of the German Empire to annex more territory in Europe. As if there were any plans in that regard.

Domestically, news of Louis’ impending marriage had also upset matters. While no one was discussing refighting the Thirty Years War, the division between the Catholic South and the Protestant North was something that had never gone away. It was a clearer line than Rural vs. Urban or Industrial vs. Agrarian that Demographers liked to use. Kat remembered there had been a few times she’d had Kira lecturing her about that after she had done something that could potentially upset the Catholic Church. Charlotte came from Austria, which was considered somewhat more conservative and homogeneous than Germany. The extremists among the far-right Nationalists sometimes in drunken, unguarded moments fantasized about what Germany would be like without all the Slavs, Danes, French or Jews depending on the part of the country in question. Kat knew it would look a lot like Austria, a place that wasn’t particularly exciting and even the urban centers traded on a heroic past rather than a vibrant present. Charlotte was also Catholic which pleased the Bavarians entirely too much. Who knew what the Slovaks or the Poles were thinking? It struck Kat that the Poles would probably remain fixated on Southern and Eastern Poland which many of them said was being colonized by Germany.

Louis had asked Kat to get Charlotte up to speed, to resume her role as the Dame Commander of the Order of Louise. Her old position as the Mistress of Keys or as Obersthofmeisterin was up for negotiation depending on what Charlotte wanted to do after the wedding. As pleasant as it was showing Charlotte around, Kat would feel the stress of this coiling in the pit of her stomach. She didn’t want to play the same role that she had under Kira, but what options was she being left with?
 
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It was hardly a surprise that the Hungarians told them to fuck off like they had been doing for years.

The finesse and the niceties of international diplomatic discourse at its very best....

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The long simmering dispute between Romania and Hungary had flared up. One would have thought that the Romanians would have had their hands full trying to contain the open revolt that was happening in Moldova. They apparently could divert their attention away from that long enough to once again push their claims over Transylvania. It was hardly a surprise that the Hungarians told them to fuck off like they had been doing for years.

Ah yes, the Hungarians are forever pissed off that Romania stole Transylvania from them in WW1 when AH collapsed.

Is it actually somewhat similar in this ATL because I though AH existed for a bit longer here before it collapsed?
 
Charlotte may want to put her own stamp on the order and move Kat to an emeritus status along with the Sisterhood to show that the Order of Louise is going in a new direction.
Kat is going to be too identified with Kira in the public's eyes and Charlotte may not want Kat's reputation to overshadow her own goals for the order.
That may take in the form of highlighting social welfare programs, cultural outreach to the masses like Young People Operas, Symphony in the Square, Ballet in the Boulevards.
 
Ilse, it's a Guy Thing. Talk to your mother-in-law about how to live with a
Hero.

Kat should come up with how she'd perform the duties of the Mistress of Keys or as Obersthofmeisterin. If Charlotte agrees she could accept the position otherwise she'd be advised to decline.
 
Ilse, it's a Guy Thing. Talk to your mother-in-law about how to live with a
Hero.

Kat should come up with how she'd perform the duties of the Mistress of Keys or as Obersthofmeisterin. If Charlotte agrees she could accept the position otherwise she'd be advised to decline.
Methinks that here the choice surprisingly will be taken from BOTH. Anyone has stopped to think that in a sense, the Order of Louise and their actions are Kaiserine Kira's legacy? WHO says in first point that the members of the Order outside Kat would accept Charlotte in first point?

You could imagine the slack jaw if happens something like this, Kat effectively having been shangaied to be the leader of the Order until Kiki reaches the age to stand for her mother, as successor......
 
Methinks that here the choice surprisingly will be taken from BOTH. Anyone has stopped to think that in a sense, the Order of Louise and their actions are Kaiserine Kira's legacy? WHO says in first point that the members of the Order outside Kat would accept Charlotte in first point?

The one hundred lacks authority to reject Charlotte and Kiki wouldn't be eligible for the role of Grand Mistress.

The structure of the Order, as last amended ITTL, is that the Grand Mistress remains the wife of the King of Prussia. That is why the Order was disbanded upon the death of the previous Grand Mistress. Membership is still determined by the Capitel, four senior members in good standing, of which Kat is but one. The key alteration made by Order ITTL is that a fifth rank was added. Grand Mistress, Dame Commander, Dame 1st, 2nd Class and Special Class. The vast majority of the membership holds the rank of Dame 1st or 2nd Class. Special Class is reserved for cases when membership is offered but they are not counted as one of the hundred. Expanding the one hundred or other measures were proposed but never acted upon.
 
Actually, I may have found something about ATLs Reich:
The one hundred lacks authority to reject Charlotte and Kiki wouldn't be eligible for the role of Grand Mistress.

The structure of the Order, as last amended ITTL, is that the Grand Mistress remains the wife of the King of Prussia. That is why the Order was disbanded upon the death of the previous Grand Mistress. Membership is still determined by the Capitel, four senior members in good standing, of which Kat is but one. The key alteration made by Order ITTL is that a fifth rank was added. Grand Mistress, Dame Commander, Dame 1st, 2nd Class and Special Class. The vast majority of the membership holds the rank of Dame 1st or 2nd Class. Special Class is reserved for cases when membership is offered but they are not counted as one of the hundred. Expanding the one hundred or other measures were proposed but never acted upon.
I *am* looking forward to the first woman on the prussian throne. That is going to be fun.
 
Aren't there are two healthy males ahead of Kiki?
German Empire operates under Salic law in that only the males can inherit the crown but ITTL I think that females can inherit the crown now but it would be only if there is no other males in the family.
IOTL Queen Victoria could not inherit the crown for Hanover and it went to her uncle instead and now ITTL the Prince of Hanover is Emil’s old Excutive Officer.
 
I know it would never happen, but I'm wondering what the reactions would be if Kiki showed up to the wedding with Ben as her date.
 

Grimbald

Monthly Donor
Why not?

Germany is ITTL the most liberal of the constitutional governments.

She needs to run it by "Dad" and have them meet but it is 100% possible.
 
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