Stupid Luck and Happenstance, Thread II

Somewhere in the Afterlife Johann Schulz is laughing his are off as one of his recruits from twenty years ago is now the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and this is probably the greatest coup in the history of spycrafts.
What is going on now in the South is the final straw for people in the north as their sons and their daughters, their WHITE sons and WHITE daughters are now dying from the violence that is being inflicted by those who haven't learned that they lost the Civil War.
IOTL the deaths of white college students Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner along with African-American activist James Chaney was one of the catalysts for the IOTL 1964 Civil Rights Act and with the violence more intense and widespread, the reactions of people from the North are going to be more in favor of a massive Federal government crackdown on the south.
This is President Harriman last best chance to redeem himself and his presidency by using the full power of the Government of the United States in enforcing the ITTL Voter Rights Act.
I like that Hans and Kurt are at least professional friends with each other next I have seen too many times where people who are married start to lose their friends when the spouse don't get along with each other.
 

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The Hohenzollern trust had kittens when they had learned that Kiki had made such an investment without consulting them first. She had one of the managers completely forgetting who she was and yelling at her about her buying stock in a Japanese corporation that few outside of Japan had ever heard of that made unproven technology.

AND . . . the Hohenzollern family is now financially untouchable for decades into the future.
 
Re Sony:

It seems that the company will develop in quite different ways in such a different world. It is a wonder that it even goes by the same name without such strong American influences in Japan.

With investment and a potential market in Germany, it might be that the influence of the US both cultural and technology wise might be replaced by a more European centric view.

Technology obviously won't be the same with different steps taken. The tape recorder that Kiki was loaned for evaluation won't be some Beta tape, but might be an early U-matic system or at least something like it.

With European ideas influencing new products it might be that future product development could include such requirements as tapes having to be long enough to accommodate time-shifting an entire football (soccer) game including any potential overtime, which could help avoid some of the problems Sony would go on to make when designing their tape cassette format.

Other requirements that new technologies might have thanks to changed circumstances could be that with a multilingual market being more at the forefront of technology development having multiple audio tracks and later subtitle tracks could be baked in to broadcasting and recording video from the get-go instead of having to be fitted in later, which would end up helping a lot when it comes to such things as stereo and other stuff.

And of course there is also potential for closer cooperation and competition with European brands like Phillips in the Netherlands and German brands like Telefunken, Grundig, Braun, Siemens etc.

With different technologies having developed at different paces one might see all sorts of oddities in the future. Formats that in our timeline never made it because they were too early or to late in some way could make an appearance.

The possibilities are endless.
 
[Insert obligatory Crows before Hoes joke]

Now who is this new FBI Director, then, I wonder...

Marc A

John Aleshire, the man placed in the FBI by Johann Shultz back in the 1920s....

The man has been steadily rising up the ranks, and well, don't think all of that was because of Shults. which is even more ironic.
 
It seems that the company will develop in quite different ways in such a different world. It is a wonder that it even goes by the same name without such strong American influences in Japan.

I considered that and the original corporate name TTK was a bit obscure. Finding out that Sony was derived from sonus, Latin for sound made it seem that keeping OTL's name for that company seemed logical.
 
IMHO, grey is a strange choice for protective clothing for tankers. In OTL, the Panzerwaffe were issued first issued "grass green" coveralls to go over their black uniforms in an attempt to make them less conspicuous on the European battlefields. Reed green and field gray uniforms in the "panzer" cut were issued later in the war. The SS armored formations appeared to have adopted camouflauge uniforms in various patterns and cuts by the end of the war.
 
IMHO, grey is a strange choice for protective clothing for tankers. In OTL, the Panzerwaffe were issued first issued "grass green" coveralls to go over their black uniforms in an attempt to make them less conspicuous on the European battlefields. Reed green and field gray uniforms in the "panzer" cut were issued later in the war. The SS armored formations appeared to have adopted camouflauge uniforms in various patterns and cuts by the end of the war.

The first factor here is what is already known. ITTL the Heer deleted green from their uniforms in the late 1930s because experience in Spain taught them something important that eluded military procurement for decades IOTL; green doesn't blend into the background as well as shades of brown and grey. If you've ever had a brown and grey speckled bird seem to erupt out from under your feet on a hiking tail you've seen how this works in nature.

The second factor is expense. The Luftwaffe had already been issuing insulated grey coveralls to their crews for years. Why pay for development of a product that already exists?
 
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Part 100, Chapter 1594
Chapter One Thousand Five Hundred Ninety-Four


20th September 1963

Jena, Thuringia

What fresh new Hell was this, Kiki thought to herself as one of her classmates took the time to show her the article in Playboy Magazine that she had been featured in.

Kristina “Kiki” von Preussen, Princess, Musician, Medical Student, Artist, Officer in the German Airborne Search and Rescue. Definitely not your typical Girl next door. It was an in-depth article about her by Hunter S. Thompson that featured a copy of the scathing letter that Kiki had written to Hugh Hefner telling him what she thought of his offer when she turned eighteen, as well as several photographs of her where she was fully clothed. Unfortunately, two of them she was still wearing the clothes that she slept in, her hair disheveled and wearing her glasses because she hadn’t had a chance to put her contact lens in. The others were of her playing her viola with Bob Dylan or eating breakfast with Zella and Vicky while they were talking about art with Warhol. Finally, there was one of her in her dark blue dress uniform, someone had taken the time to list all of the medals starting with the PLM.

Kiki obviously hadn’t quite been forceful enough when she had kicked Thompson out of her hotel suite. Oddly, one of the photographs depicted her doing exactly that.

The contents of the article itself was composed of biographical information and details from the observations that Thompson had made while he had been talking with her. Her time in Korea as well as her activities in Germany since she had come back from there were mentioned. Then it said that she had been accepted into the Friedrich-Schiller University. Kiki saw that after the article concluded there was a pictorial of a woman Kiki’s age wearing nothing more than a pasted-on smile and a suntan. She was disgusted that she had been featured in such a publication.


Mitte, Berlin

There were times when Manny realized that his parents were not quite who he thought they were. He had asked his father for his opinion about a paper that he been given by the Commandant of his Gymnasium’s Cadet Company; The 30 Commandments of the Panzer Corps Dragoon Company Commander.

“I think that your mother is going to kill me if she sees you with this” Was what Manny’s father had said. “She is determined that you are going to University.”

This was a continuation from years earlier when they had been reluctant to allow him to join the Cadet Company in the first place. That reluctance was a surprise. Manny’s father had served in the Panzer Corps in the Dragoons in Spain, Russia, Manchuria, South Africa, Mexico and Korea. Johannes von Mischner was a bigger than life hero who everyone said was being groomed to take over as Inspector of the Panzer Corps, a position once occupied by the legendary Field Marshal von Wolvogle and was expected to go even higher than that with time. Now it seemed as if having his son following in his footsteps wasn’t something that he wanted. When Manny had recently discussed this matter with Opa von Richthofen, he had said that having him continue the family’s Cavalry traditions would possibly be among the most noble things that he could be doing with his life.

There was the other aspect that Manny considered as well. His little sister Ina was one of most gentle people he knew. She was simply incapable of hurting anyone else or imagining that anyone might hurt her in turn. He had occasionally been forced to take corrective measures against those who would take advantage of Ina’s nature. It had come as a relief that Ina had made friends with Suse Knispel and Jo Falk. The two of them were formidable enough to chase off anyone who Manny would have had to deal with otherwise. Opa said that Ina was free to be how she was because people like Manny’s father and his Aunt Katherine had sworn an oath to protect that freedom. Manny had a choice of what to do with his life and compared with that, going to University first like his mother said she wanted him to do seemed selfish.


Washington D.C.

“Have you ever had dealings with a foreign Government?” The Polygraph Operator asked.

“Yes, you are aware of what I do for a living?” John asked in reply.

The Polygraph Operator frowned and moved onto the next question.

“Have you ever knowingly passed classified information to an agent of a foreign Government?”

“Yes” John said with an evil grin. And one of the observers spit out his coffee.

The Polygraph Operator looked furious as he marked the paper where John had answered that question.

“For clarification Director Aleshire was ordered to read in Sven Werth from German Federal Interior Intelligence into the investigation of the attempted assassination of President Truman and the Augusta Conspiracy” One of the Bureau Lawyers interjected.

“I think you’ve proven your point Sir” The Deputy Director who was John’s replacement in Counterintelligence said. It was part of a larger debate that was going on in the FBI as well as other Law Enforcement Agencies. The polygraph was a marvel of technology, but to rely on it was foolhardy in the extreme.

“My point is that if there is a high-level mole, I can guarantee that he could strap himself into this machine, answer the questions, lie his head off and the needle won’t move” John said.

“With all due respect Sir” The Polygraph Operator said, “This is the best our experts can come up with.”

“Do you honestly think that the other side’s experts are sitting still?” John asked in reply.

The truth that no one in this room knew was that the case that gave John the credibility to be the Director was one where he had been tipped off. For years, there had been rumors of a high-level German spy in the CIA who they jokingly called Jürgen. As it had turned out, Jürgen was real, and John had worked backwards once he had learned who it was to prove it. In reality Jürgen had gone rogue and the BND had suggested that John do something about him. Eventually it had come down an interrogation where John had verbally cornered Jürgen and got the collar. Everyone in the Bureau had said that it was legendary and had joked that one-day Hollywood was going to get ahold of that story and they would see it on the movie screen. John was aware that what had happened was also a warning to him about what would happen if he ever forgot who held his leash.
 
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Commandants: shouldn't this be commandments?

because the 30 Commandants of the Panzer Corps Dragoon Company Commander sounds a bit schizophrenic IMHO.;)
 
Great last post that gives us different point of view updates, for Director Aleshire the Germans are not going to ask him to do anything that will expose him unnecessarily (hopefully) or put him in an untenable nded situation.
Kiki is beginning to learn that some of her classmates are a..h...s and the way to put them in their place is to outperform them.
Young Manfred von Mischner is truly a product of a combination of Mischner and Richthofen DNA, I would like to see the argument between his parents as Manny tries to reconcile the contradiction of his father the gentle family man and the steel hard legendary soldier who has fought in every war that Germany has been in since Spain.
 
Young Manfred von Mischner is truly a product of a combination of Mischner and Richthofen DNA, I would like to see the argument between his parents as Manny tries to reconcile the contradiction of his father the gentle family man and the steel hard legendary soldier who has fought in every war that Germany has been in since Spain.

There are many contradictions here. Both Manny and Ina have aspects of their parents and the relatives they were named for. Manny for his maternal grandfather and Ina for her father's younger sister, her real is Katherine and she isn't quite as helpless as her family thinks even if she is generous to a fault.
 
“My point is that if there is a high-level mole, [like me], I can guarantee that he could strap himself into this machine, answer the questions, lie his head off and the needle won’t move” John said.

“With all due respect Sir” The Polygraph Operator said, “This is the best our experts can come up with.”

“Do you honestly think that the other side’s experts are sitting still?” John asked in reply.

This is downright majestic. Schultz’s influence remains.
 
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There are many contradictions here. Both Manny and Ina have aspects of their parents and the relatives they were named for. Manny for his maternal grandfather and Ina for her father's younger sister, her real is Katherine and she isn't quite as helpless as her family thinks even if she is generous to a fault.
Oh I have no doubt that Ina is also very much a Mischner and a Richthofen but she will be underestimated by others at their own peril.
Hans as a family man has been most influenced his Uncle Klaus who knew when to defer to Marcella, Hans as we have seen is an easy going guy and it is Helene who has taken charge of their relationship but that doesn't mean that Hans is a doormat but a lifetime in the Heer has taught him when to pick his battles and what hill to die on.
It is only a contradiction to those who have seen Hans as the protege of "Mad Dog" Horst when they see Hans with his family.
 
There are many contradictions here. Both Manny and Ina have aspects of their parents and the relatives they were named for. Manny for his maternal grandfather and Ina for her father's younger sister, her real is Katherine and she isn't quite as helpless as her family thinks even if she is generous to a fault.

Well... they DO say it's the quiet ones you have to keep an eye on...
 
Hans von Mischner had found it amusing. The Dragoons had worn standard issue uniforms from the beginning, back when they had just been a Platoon hitching a ride on the back of von Wolvogle’s Raupe Panzers. “I know a thing about dealing with this sort of thing” Hans said, “You need to be inevitable or else they will eat you alive.”

Kurt had tried to take that advice to heart. As he had to take angry phone call after angry phone call, he was finding that difficult. He understood the reasoning for the changes, that they were the direct result of lessons learned in Mexico and Korea. Still, he had many fond memories of how it had been when he had been in the commander’s cupola himself.

The random moment when Kurt appears. Of the three "second-generation", he is seriously the one who couples, ergo: Doug/Kat, Hans/Helene and Kurt/Gerta, they seem to be the ones who have not taken focus as much. Granted, Kat, Helene and Gerta still meet up a bit here or there, but the three men never seem to have that much of a connection between them besides being married to the three women...it would be good to see all the of them interact to some degree.
 
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