States pattern and economic/political changes from early Ameriwank ?

Eurofed

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While puzzling out my latest Ameriwank TL, I realized that early successful Manifest Destiny expansion of the USA across the Americas would have caused a rather different pattern than OTL about economic-political shape of the USA and the number/size/shape of the various US states.

PoD is Quebec and Nova Scotia joining the ARW in 1775. The USA get Canadian colonies and territories in 1781, have Federalist Administrations up to 1808, then expansionist Democratic ones, build a rather good military, kick French butt in the French-American War, get French Caribbean colonies in 1800, buy Lousiana territory and Hispaniola in 1803, kick British butt in the War of 1812, gain Rupert's Land, Northwest territory, Labrador, Jamaica, Bermuda, Bahamas, Florida, and all of Guiana (down to Rio de Amazones) in 1816, get heavily involved in wars of independence of Spanish colonies and annex Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia as a result. They develop a long-term love/hate imperialistic competition with the British Empire (which rebuilds an American colonial empire in southern South America) and France, have bouts of cooperation/competition with Greater Germany and Russia (more successful ITTL thanks to post-Napoleonic PoD). They are expected to annex all of Mexico when the Mexican-American War rolls by, buy or conquer Pacific Northwest, Alaska, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Philippines in mid-late 1800s, defeat Britain and her allies again in the World Wars and conquer Newfoundland, British West Indies, Australia, New Zealand, TTL British South America (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, southern Brazil), and Brazil. ACW is expected to happen in the mid-late 1850s and go to Union victory (Britain is busy with colonial wars in India and China and cannot seize the opportunity to weaken their rival).

I think I can grasp some of the basic political and economic changes that an Ameriwank TL would cause: a different party system, with Federalists remaining one of the major parties and perhaps remaining vital all the way to the ACW if not modern times (they effectively evolve in the Republicans equivalent), Canadian Great Lakes region and the praire states getting more immigration and economic development with integration with the Midwest and New England, the ACW coming slightly (but not that much) earlier from increased territorial competition between free and slaveholding states, racial segregation being butterflied away after the ACW, Mexican and South American states getting rather more socioeconomic development and industrialization than OTL. But I eagerly welcome further suggestions about this.

About the issue of racial/cultural tensions arising from large numbers of Indian and mixed Hispanics becoming US citizens in the 1800s, I expect things would go this way: the early precedent created by successful political and cultural integration of Catholic French-speakers helps integration of Spanish-speakers, as does the lasting strong cultural support for Manifest Destiny ideas that develop during the 1810s-1820s. So Spanish-speaking white or mixed educated affluent elites get accepted as another kind of American, "one drop of blood" racism does not develop, Indian poor uneducated masses get "economic" discrimination as a underclass (e.g. literacy/wealth qualification for voting), ACW fought with many Hispanic states supporting the Union leads to a different Reconstruction and effective if painful eradication of racial segregation and sociopolitical/economic integration for blacks and Indians in late 1800s. I'm uncertain whether this would affect mainland American/Canadian native Americans or not.

Now, what I have really few defined ideas about is how this TL would mold the shapes and number (apart from there being a lot more of them of course) of the US states. E.g. I expect the shapes of more than a few US mainland, Canadian, Mexican, Caribbean and South American states to become different if they all develop within the same nation. So far, I had Nova Scotia include Acadia/New Brunswick, southern Ontario become the state of Franklin, southern Quebec getting split in Quebec (up to St-Lawrence's mouth) and East Quebec (up to Labrador's border), and the OTL US states up Mississippi being the same. But I'm unsure how to proceed from there.
 

JJohnson

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Going from your early POD of Quebec/Nova Scotia joining the Revolution, I would posit at least the rest of Canada going Patriot in that war, leading the US to have 15 states to start before other territories join. At the War of 1812, if that happens as in OTL, I can see Rupert's Land going American, along with maybe one or two islands. But at this time, the Americans hadn't really developed much of a 'Manifest Destiny' from my studies of their history until the 1830s/1840s.

At a minimum, I can see a resultant US as follows:
OTL USA, Canada, Republic of the Rio Grande, Bermudas, St. Pierre and Miquelon

At a medium size, I can see:
OTL USA, Canada, Republic of the Rio Grande, Bermudas, Hispaniola, Cuba, Guyana/French Guiana/Suriname, Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, St. Pierre and Miquelon

At a slightly larger size:

OTL USA, Canada, Mexico down to North Veracruz, San Luis Potosi, Queretaro, Guanajuato, Jalisco, Colima; Republic of Yucatan, Cuba, Hispaniola, Guyanas to the Amazon river, French overseas islands, St. Pierre and Miquelon

Even larger:
OTL USA, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Hispaniola, Guyanas to the Amazon River (including Amapa and Para north of the Amazon), French overseas islands in the Caribbean and Pacific.

Each larger size will also cause ripples in South America and Europe. Push the British out of Canada, and they'll either go into Central America, or possibly South America or Africa. The Mexicans, depending on how much you assimilate into the USA, will either assimilate into the dominant Anglo-culture, or will leave and go into the remnant of Mexico.

As to US States, they attempted to make states roughly equal in size and resource access to make them self-sustaining, so that's why you see so many square states in the midwest. That gives you states often 4° in width and 3° in height. It's possible that the 49° parallel will still exist as a boundary, in which case most of the OTL 'lower 48' will exist roughly analogously. Mexican states may follow most of the lines of 1846-1848 Mexico, but with several states combined into Territories for eventual US Statehood. Canada would be divided into another series of block states, though the more northerly portion of Canada will likely remain a territory for much longer due to the lower population there.

I don't see the US in most realities absorbing Latin America, just due to the political realities of the time and the marked differences in the territories then. At best, protectorates or allies for Latin America, with the Americans 'influencing' the other governments into a more American model of government, which would likely mean they become more stable in the long term and avoid the dictatorship tendencies of Latin America (Venezuela comes to mind).

Assuming a USA that absorbs just Canada, some Caribbean, and some Mexico, I would speculate they stay roughly neutral still in this timeline, and only turn outward after a World War resulting in other large powers being unable to fulfill the role (much like the British Empire falling after WW2). America has the resources not to depend on foreign energy, and a larger America may not be as receptive to environmental claims preventing use of their resources.
 
Yup, this is ressurected from August, I guess. The link to this Timeline is in my sig, and as a warning, its 1856 and northern South Americ has been annexed. :)
 
IF NS, Quebec join the ARW, then Britain will turn over all British NAmerica. there will be bo British forts in the NW territory/GLakes. Hence no War of 1812.

Also the war will probably be shorter, so Spain never officially enters the war so the US gains Florida in the peace.

If the war with France is pre 1807, then the US gains Louisiana and Texas from French ally Spain.
 
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