No! You keep at it! I like where this si going! Just wait til your done with the final, we can be patient. I think all the proper critiques have been made. Although I think any American annexations near Europe would be veoed by the Great Powers. And I don't know about annexing Panama...amybe installing a pro-US government, but I don't know if there was a big fuss to annex it. Otherwise, Dutch Guyana doesn't seem to unreasonable, nor does the freed blacks going to the Domincan State. Maybe you could see Conrads "1901" scenario, b/c the US has more colonies.
State of the Dominican Republic?
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I didnt say I didn't like it, just pointing the holes. I think that if the Americans were given a honeymoon period by the populace and things did improve, they would be less likely to revolt. I think that would require getting rid of Baez though, Perhaps the next President after Grant appoints someone else Territorial Governor of Santo Domingo.
And this might me the mechanism to influence the US into integrating more of Central America and the Caribbean into the US. The US between the Civil War and WW2 were in and out of some of those countries, they might decide to stay if it made there investment safer and they already had a success story.
And this might me the mechanism to influence the US into integrating more of Central America and the Caribbean into the US. The US between the Civil War and WW2 were in and out of some of those countries, they might decide to stay if it made there investment safer and they already had a success story.
), and it gets on my nerves!US after War with Mexico did not want to get involved in any wars. The US-Mexican war was a drain on the US economy. They wanted out of Mexico after being there 20 months.
Thats one reason why the US congress did not approve the sending of troops to the Republic of Yucatan which would have resulted in the US annexation of Yucatan.
Thats why I really do not think the US would have been in the annexation mood. Reconstruction expenses after the Civil War would also have prevented the US from going into an annexation mode.
Thats one reason why the US congress did not approve the sending of troops to the Republic of Yucatan which would have resulted in the US annexation of Yucatan.
Thats why I really do not think the US would have been in the annexation mood. Reconstruction expenses after the Civil War would also have prevented the US from going into an annexation mode.
Sebastian Shaw
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I actually heard of this..I thought it was sort of interesting. If the USA did annex the land,I guess Hati would have been taken also..why have half..when you can have the whole thing?
Can anyone get the actual language of the treaty to see if it is for annexation of the Dominican Republic as a state or as a territory? That would help to clear up some of the confusion immediately. I'm going to bet the treaty was for statehood, since I can't see a sovereign nation negotiating annexation in return for the ability to have no influence on the government it was being annexed to.
Then- Haiti would probably be next up for annexation. Its been in chaos since the death of President Jean Pierre Boyer in 1850, and the United States is going to end up sending in troops to provide order, which will turn into annexation. Haiti won't become a state, but it will become much more stable and probably a good deal more prosperous once it gets annexed, though the level of wealth disparity remains very, very high.
I think that with these annexations, especially the statehood of the Dominican Republic, the rebellious inhabitants of Cuba might look at that as a model of how to get out from under Spain. American expansionists at the same time view Cuba as a natural part of the United States, with Hispaniola already under American rule. The Caribbean starts being referred to as the "American Lake" by the pro-expansionist press, calling for the end of Spanish rule and the annexation of the Cuba . . .
Then- Haiti would probably be next up for annexation. Its been in chaos since the death of President Jean Pierre Boyer in 1850, and the United States is going to end up sending in troops to provide order, which will turn into annexation. Haiti won't become a state, but it will become much more stable and probably a good deal more prosperous once it gets annexed, though the level of wealth disparity remains very, very high.
I think that with these annexations, especially the statehood of the Dominican Republic, the rebellious inhabitants of Cuba might look at that as a model of how to get out from under Spain. American expansionists at the same time view Cuba as a natural part of the United States, with Hispaniola already under American rule. The Caribbean starts being referred to as the "American Lake" by the pro-expansionist press, calling for the end of Spanish rule and the annexation of the Cuba . . .
I think it's a cool POD, but IMHO it'd end up like Puerto Rico, as a Commonwealth, and for all the same reasons. Notice the culture and geography aren't so different. I recommend reading up on some PR history.
There would be little assimilation because of US racism and colonialism, which sought to "protect" the poor natives from themselves, including by locals being treated racistly by American banks and other businesses, and taking all the power for unelected commisisioners who stole everything in sight and didn't care enough about "the natives" to look around or understand much. PR poverty and life expectancy stayed miserable until the Commonwealth was started and Puerto Ricans allowed to elect ALL local officials. Unlike DC, they don't face federal taxation without Congressional representation.
Do notice, there were no boatloads of blacks to PR, and it'd be the same for an American Dominican Republic. As in the US, social place in most of Latin America, especially before antiracism efforts, was well-correlated with skin color, and for exactly the same reason.
And, Pervez, before we get too idealistic about the US in the Caribbean before we gave up on imperialism, how happy was Columbia to give up Panama, and Cuba to sign the long-term Gitmo lease?
There would be little assimilation because of US racism and colonialism, which sought to "protect" the poor natives from themselves, including by locals being treated racistly by American banks and other businesses, and taking all the power for unelected commisisioners who stole everything in sight and didn't care enough about "the natives" to look around or understand much. PR poverty and life expectancy stayed miserable until the Commonwealth was started and Puerto Ricans allowed to elect ALL local officials. Unlike DC, they don't face federal taxation without Congressional representation.
Do notice, there were no boatloads of blacks to PR, and it'd be the same for an American Dominican Republic. As in the US, social place in most of Latin America, especially before antiracism efforts, was well-correlated with skin color, and for exactly the same reason.
And, Pervez, before we get too idealistic about the US in the Caribbean before we gave up on imperialism, how happy was Columbia to give up Panama, and Cuba to sign the long-term Gitmo lease?