Star Wars/Pop-Culture AHC: Audience WANT Kylo Ren to be redeemed

It is generally believed by a large segment of the audience and the majority opinion that Kylo Ren should not be redeemed due to the severity of his actions and the belief that it will be a rehash of Vader. Your challenge, if you choose to accept it is to have much of the audience actually favor the idea of Kylo Ren getting redeemed. I am not saying that he will not be redeemed and I admit I am among the 1% that wants him to be redeemed, but there are lot of signs pointing to the other direction and audience(through backstory could always change things if done well).

Bonus points if he still manages to kill Han Solo(this part is spoiler filtered for good reason) but audiences still are willing to give him a chance. The justification is that the horrible thing he does solidifies him as a villain, but not a irredeemable one and while it means he is a villain now, it doesn't mean he can't change course.

Here are some ways which I feel people could accept a hypothetical redemption drawn from pop culture and Star Wars related PoDs:

-Have Episode VII be more original, that way if they want to redeem Kylo Ren it would not be seen as too much of a rehash of the originals and it would actually be expected that he dosen't get redeemed if Episode VII was more original.
-Have GRRM complete ASOIAF early rather than what we have now, Theon and Jamie get redeemed, the arcs are well-received, and this sets a precedence that people believe should be followed
-Have Kylo Ren be less emo, for every person that said Ren is what Prequel Anakin should have been there are those that feel that Ren being emo was a bad idea.
-Reveal that Kylo Ren never truly knew about his father or was taken away from a young age from his parents due to Snoke's influence. This would make the situation more tragic as he would be hard-wired by the First Order to see his father as only an enemy and give him some more sympathy
-OUAT either never comes out or dosen't screw up after the third season(never watched but I heard it got a lot of criticism for its redemption arcs)
-Have Snoke be established in the film as either an Canon and genderbent expy of Abeloth, Darth Plagueis that has gotten more powerful than Sidious after surviving his own death at Sidious hands and going into hiding OR the Canon equivalent of the Sith Emperor or some sort of personification of the Dark Side. Having Snoke be seen as objectively more powerful and evil than Palpatine could allow people to feel that Kylo Ren could hypothetically earn his redemption by "killing a bigger fish". Also if it is revealed that Snoke survives by transfer essence...it might not be a good idea for Kylo Ren to kill Snoke and become emperor since the story could easily conclude with Rey vs. Snoke in Ren's body.
-The irredeemable anti-hero character archetype popularized by characters like Walter White never emerges. Maybe Breaking Bad is a victim of the Writer's Strike(as in gets canned as a result) and a sizable majority of people actually and actively get disgusted at Frank Underwood's actions(as in Ramsay Bolton style disgusted) and this leads to House of Cards getting cancelled
-This is a big hypothetical, but have a story exist where a villain willingly kills his/her parents AND get redeemed at the end AND this redemption is well-received.
 
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Nobody was talking about redeeming Vader right after ANH. Granted, Ren's been fleshed out more, but still, I think it's premature to be thinking about this sort of thing until after the second movie.
 
Nobody was talking about redeeming Vader right after ANH. Granted, Ren's been fleshed out more, but still, I think it's premature to be thinking about this sort of thing until after the second movie.

Kylo Ren has a precedent through Vader and it is generally believed that what he did pretty much solidified him as irredeemable. But of course stuff such as fleshing out his backstory could fix this.
 
Kylo Ren has a precedent through Vader and it is generally believed that what he did pretty much solidified him as irredeemable. But of course stuff such as fleshing out his backstory could fix this.

I dunno, Vader killed his Father figure (of sorts) as well, and he was redeemed in the end. It also is a bit mitigating how confused Kylo is, whereas Vader had mostly succumbed to the Dark Side.
 
Kylo Ren has a precedent through Vader and it is generally believed that what he did pretty much solidified him as irredeemable. But of course stuff such as fleshing out his backstory could fix this.

He's still shown insecurity and at least a semblance of humanity at the same time. Vader didn't have either of those going for him in the first movie. Again, we should wait and see, a single movie can change things a lot. To say nothing of two, since I don't think people foresaw Vader's heel-turn after Empire Strikes Back either. Really, I think people underrate the shift in his character between the second and third movies, he's just so defeated when he sees Luke again.
 
He's still shown insecurity and at least a semblance of humanity at the same time. Vader didn't have either of those going for him in the first movie. Again, we should wait and see, a single movie can change things a lot. To say nothing of two, since I don't think people foresaw Vader's heel-turn after Empire Strikes Back either. Really, I think people underrate the shift in his character between the second and third movies, he's just so defeated when he sees Luke again.

Yeah, but this time it wouldn't be a surprise. Personally I would prefer if he just gets more and more evil and then gets killed. THAT would be more of surprise.
 
Yeah, but this time it wouldn't be a surprise. Personally I would prefer if he just gets more and more evil and then gets killed. THAT would be more of surprise.

I wouldn't mind so much either, but the Legacy of the Force parallel leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
I'd doubt he's irredeemable, largely because seems to be much more readable to be young and uncertain than Vader ever was, and there's also the fact he hasn't killed his subordinates for failure or bringing bad news, and that's not bringing in the prequels. Hell, he actually seemed more for a relative word stable, willing to listen to his father who he believed caused his pain, then Vader who just went straight to accusations and then choking Padme.
 
For me Kylo Ren is the western equivalent of the memetic emo from the japanese manga fandom, i don't want him that, if he want to be evil be it, trully, heck if he kill snoke and even make first order going into full Extremist would be nice, give me someone would be a catharsis his defeat.
 
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