Star Trek Voyager: The Original Series?

WI "ST:TOS" had been more like "Voyager" in concept, more like what Gene originally imagined? Say, Enterprise is caught in a wormhole, or explores an ancient device, & gets thrown across the galaxy. No Neelix or Kes,:eek::rolleyes: of course...but assorted other aliens.

Maybe *Klingons are *Hirogen?

It seems likely this would butterfly Trelane & the Organians.:cool::cool: As I look at a list of episodes, most of S.1 is butterflied.:eek: So is "Amok Time".:eek::eek:

So, would this version have been as successful? I'm presuming the writing & directing is still as strong.
 
Not necessarily...This would be seen as ripping off Lost in Space which was on the same network CBS-TV. The plot would be seen as also ripping off the Doctor Smith sabotage angle, if they used the Maquis. Chekhov was already seen as a cheap way to lure Beatles fans (esp. with the haircut). To make natter worse Mr. Spock was seen as the analogue to the robot.
 
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Mr_ Bondoc said:
Not necessarily...This would be seen as ripping off Lost in Space which was on the same network CBS-TV. The plot would be seen as also ripping off the Doctor Smith sabotage angle, if they used the Maquis. Chekhov was already seen as a cheap way to lure Beatles fans (esp. with the haircut). To make natter worse Mr. Spock was seen as the analogue to the robot.
I had no intention of mentioning Maquis, since they wouldn't be conceived for another generation.

The parallel to "Lost in Space", frankly, I'd overlooked.:eek:

What I was hoping to avoid was turning Enterprise into a space version of a cavalry troop...while, at the same time, avoiding the continuing soap opera that was "ST:V".:rolleyes: I'm thinking *"ST:TOS", having better writing (& better acting) will attract more fans than "LiS".
 
I had no intention of mentioning Maquis, since they wouldn't be conceived for another generation.

The parallel to "Lost in Space", frankly, I'd overlooked.:eek:

What I was hoping to avoid was turning Enterprise into a space version of a cavalry troop...while, at the same time, avoiding the continuing soap opera that was "ST:V".:rolleyes: I'm thinking *"ST:TOS", having better writing (& better acting) will attract more fans than "LiS".

Again there is the problem that it sounds like a ripoff of Lost in Space (CBS-TV) and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (ABC-TV) by Irwin Allen. The problem is that by giving it the "only passing through " motif of Lost in Space, it quickly loses any link to the themes of the Cold War, which made the series relatable to American audiences. Second, the constant need for "story arc" was what caused the soap opera syptoms of Voyager. Third by placing humans in such a circumstance, it removes the utopian view of the future that made the series popular.

Unfortunately by copying Lost in Space (CBS-TV), people weren't to concerned with writing or acting. This sets the bar lower, since the series is now ripping off two children's shows.
 
Mr_ Bondoc said:
Again there is the problem that it sounds like a ripoff of Lost in Space (CBS-TV) and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (ABC-TV) by Irwin Allen.
I'm not seeing the connection to "Voyage" at all...:confused:
Mr_ Bondoc said:
The problem is that by giving it the "only passing through " motif of Lost in Space, it quickly loses any link to the themes of the Cold War, which made the series relatable to American audiences.
I'm not sure you necessarily lose that. The thematic interference in other cultures (or not) works regardless, IMO. I'll agree, the tension between Klingons & Federation was Cold War thematic; I don't see that necessarily being wiped out by a different variety of opponent.

As a matter of fact, if you accept Janeway's effort at a "mini-Federation" being standard, with *Kirk (April? Pike?) constantly trying to form alliances against a *Klingon hunter group, you've got something like U.S. efforts to contain the SU. Don't you?
Mr_ Bondoc said:
the constant need for "story arc" was what caused the soap opera syptoms of Voyager.
Oh, no, the "romances" between Paris & Kes & Seven & Chakotay had nothing to do with any need for "story arc". Look at "Enterprise": it had full-season arcs without it getting soapy. IMO, the full-season "framing story" concept helped "Enterprise", & was better than the nonsensical "Temporal Cold War".
Mr_ Bondoc said:
by placing humans in such a circumstance, it removes the utopian view of the future that made the series popular.
How?:confused: We've got both sexes on roughly equal footing & acceptance of aliens as peers, plus deep space operations people could only dream of in 1966. Holding to Fed values in the face of adversity isn't utopian, maybe; it does show quality of character, which would be held up against the lack of character/values of the recurring alien menace(s).
 
I'm not seeing the connection to "Voyage" at all...:confused:
"A major disaster in the future forces a vessel to drift across the world's oceans, forcing its crew to fight for survival and join resources in an effort to get back home amidst the constant threat of strange creatures, foreign warlords, and Communists,....

As a matter of fact, if you accept Janeway's effort at a "mini-Federation" being standard, with *Kirk (April? Pike?) constantly trying to form alliances against a *Klingon hunter group, you've got something like U.S. efforts to contain the SU. Don't you?
Remember that the series was based on Roddenberry's experiences in WWII. Roddenberry wasn't big on the guerrilla campaigns and leading a resistance movement. Se

Oh, no, the "romances" between Paris & Kes & Seven & Chakotay had nothing to do with any need for "story arc". Look at "Enterprise": it had full-season arcs without it getting soapy. IMO, the full-season "framing story" concept helped "Enterprise", & was better than the nonsensical "Temporal Cold War".
Actually it got very soapy, consider T'Pol & Tucker, T'Pol & Malcolm, T'Pol & Archer in the first season.

How?:confused: We've got both sexes on roughly equal footing & acceptance of aliens as peers, plus deep space operations people could only dream of in 1966. Holding to Fed values in the face of adversity isn't utopian, maybe; it does show quality of character, which would be held up against the lack of character/values of the recurring alien menace(s).
"But forced into a universe they don't know, and all for the sake of trying to get home...." Doesn't sound very utopian or with any of the themes that Roddenberry wanted.
 
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