Largely resolved during DS9, which made extensive use of the Mirror Universe and "our" Trek's counterparts.
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Largely resolved during DS9, which made extensive use of the Mirror Universe and "our" Trek's counterparts.
They were the Chicago gangster planet, right? When DS9 was planning "Trials and Tribble-ations," their major other idea was an episode revisiting that planet after they had adapted their culture to be an imitation of Star Trek. It was supposed to be social commentary on the trekie phenomenon... but I think the tribble episode was a better choice.Or at the consequences to the Fed of the Iotians (from "A Piece of the Action") adapting tech based on McCoy's missing communicator.
True, but circa 1980 when Star Trek II was being developed the ending was still wide open. The Mirror Universe could actually be an interesting basis for an alternate movie.
They (Bennett et al.) took a rather boring episode of TOS and made it into a memorable film--not because of Khan, but because it actually examined the human condition in a way no Trek film did before or has done since. As long as they stuck to the theme of TWOK, they could have inserted any TOS villain in there and made a movie that resonated with audiences.
There are several novels out there that give some interesting alternate history stories about what happened after Kirk and crew and their encounter with the mirror universe and how things evolved into what we saw in DS9.
The greatest unpursued Star Trek premise of all time is found at the end of the Season 2 episode, Mirror Mirror.
The book Dark Mirror is quite a good crossover.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Dark_Mirror
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Mirror_(Star_Trek_novel)
Interestingly, its mentioned in this book that the Mirror Universe Federation has yet to meet the Borg and our universes Piccard finds himself almost wishing it had.
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then we could see spock killed off. in the next film a massive space war between the mirror klinglons. in st 4 the crew go to present dasy earth in the mirror mirror enterprise to pick up some whales ,the mirror enterprise becomes the new enterprise -a. mirror kirk has a son that does not exist in the regular earth and teams up with the crew.
Actually, it was Deep Space Nine's tribute to the Original Series for its 30th anniversary. That's why they wanted something light-hearted.
Something involving the proto-Q being(Trelane).
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Having the aliens interfering with the Feds and Klings evolve to the point they can't interact with the physical world. A trilogy of movies results(Star Wars) involving the war between the two. Would like Michael Ansara(Kang) as the main adversary of Kirk. The Feds and Klingons have to team up against the Romulans/Gorn/Tholians/Trelane/new alien concept(take a pick) in the third film fulfilling the god-aliens prophecy that the two races would co-operate in the future.
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Having the aliens interfering with the Feds and Klings evolve to the point they can't interact with the physical world. A trilogy of movies results(Star Wars) involving the war between the two. Would like Michael Ansara(Kang) as the main adversary of Kirk. The Feds and Klingons have to team up against the Romulans/Gorn/Tholians/Trelane/new alien concept(take a pick) in the third film fulfilling the god-aliens prophecy that the two races would co-operate in the future.
Okay, guys, there's something very important here that's getting missed:
STAR TREK DIDN'T EVER DO MAJOR INTERSTELLAR WARS BEFORE 1997.
Seriously. It never did. The big Federation-Klingon war in the Original Series? One episode, resolved by a deus ex machina. The Borg? Two episodes of TNG, over a season-ending cliffhanger. The Klingon Civil War? Two episodes over a cliffhanger again. The major interstellar war between the Federation and the Cardassians which is the motivation for so much of Deep Space Nine? Never seen on screen. Even the Dominion War, which broke the trend, was initially only meant to be four episodes long.
Because here's the thing: Star Trek was never meant to be a war show. It's an explorer show. The crew can get in trouble, they can come across things that threaten galactic stability, but combat is not their primary business. Deep Space Nine did it, but that was explicitly a deviation from the formula -- just as setting it on a station rather than a starship was. If you're making a movie -- only the second Star Trek movie in existence, at that -- you don't deviate so far from the Original Series. You just don't.
STAR TREK DIDN'T EVER DO MAJOR INTERSTELLAR WARS BEFORE 1997.
Seriously. It never did. The big Federation-Klingon war in the Original Series? One episode, resolved by a deus ex machina. The Borg? Two episodes of TNG, over a season-ending cliffhanger. The Klingon Civil War? Two episodes over a cliffhanger again. The major interstellar war between the Federation and the Cardassians which is the motivation for so much of Deep Space Nine? Never seen on screen. Even the Dominion War, which broke the trend, was initially only meant to be four episodes long.
Because here's the thing: Star Trek was never meant to be a war show. It's an explorer show. The crew can get in trouble, they can come across things that threaten galactic stability, but combat is not their primary business. Deep Space Nine did it, but that was explicitly a deviation from the formula -- just as setting it on a station rather than a starship was. If you're making a movie -- only the second Star Trek movie in existence, at that -- you don't deviate so far from the Original Series. You just don't.
I missed the connection.
Thx.Lurksalot said:
What about depicting the origin of the First QI'tomer Accord?Lurksalot said:
Well there you go. The Romulans hit in the middle of the second movie causing reverses for both the Feds and Klingons(both sides have been weakened by the first movie enough for the Romulans to take them on), so the Klingons feel that the Romulans are being dishonorable and feel the Feds out bringing about the First QI'tomer Accord. Both cooperate to defeat the Romulans or at least get a truce ala Korean War.
Gees I think I just described the Freespace games. The GTA, Vasudans and Shivans.
Gees I think I just described the Freespace games. The GTA, Vasudans and Shivans.
Mike Barr did a very good story in the Mirror Mirror Universe for DC Comics
Peter David did a great Trelane/Q crossover in the Next gen Novel Q Square.
And Mike Barr did a great story for DC that had was a sequel to Errand of Mercy and The Savage Curtain. The Federation and the Klingons go to war.
Kirk and one of the Klingon commander team up to find out what happen to the Organians. They discover that the Aliens from the Savage Curtain are continuing their test of Good and Evil using both the Federation and the Klingons.
These two in the same movie would make me want to take poison.
What would you do if I tell you Trelane is Q son?