STAR TREK 1948

What if Gene Roddenberry wrote Star Trek when he was 26 and it got produced as a series of films in 1948?

Initial thoughts

Captain Kirk - John Wayne
Spock - Gregory Peck
Bones - Jimmy Stewart
Scotty - Cary Grant
Sulu - Yoshio Tsuchiya
Uhura - Dorothy Dandridge
Chekov - Anthony Perkins
Nurse Chapel - Marilyn Monroe
 
For one, a 1948 Star Trek would have been seen as too controversial to have a 'Jap' and a 'Commie' in such positions of casting back then, not to mention having a 'n##er' in the crew as well. It probably would have been banned in the South for encouraging bad race relations, along with being under scrutiny from the various red baiting spooks for having a secret communist message.
 

Jasen777

Donor
Well a film in '48 wouldn't have a African-American in a role like Uhura's. Probably wouldn't have any female crew, or anyone who was non-white.

For instance in '56 The Forbidden Planet (which probably had a lot of infulence on Star Trek) had a crew that was all white American (even though it was a United Planets Ship) and the only woman in the movie was a classic scientist's daughter love interest.
 
Unfortunate, but most likely true

So what nationalities replace Sulu and Chekov and Uhura

Who plays them?

I think Marilyn stays as she is a nurse and fits the eras stereotypes
 
Forgetting for the sake of discussion Gene was a commercial pilot in '48, not involved in any fashion with film or TV... (Unless the OP means to have him propose an SF film?)

So, who's the producer? This is an era of monster movies & paranoia about Commies, when "The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" (produced by Jack Dietz & Hal E. Chester) & "The Thing from Another World" (produced & directed by Howard Hawks) are big, when Irwin Allen:eek: is a leading SF TV producer, & when space opera is still in vogue even in literary SF.:eek:

In that milieu, IMO, *"ST" looks more like "Star Wars" or "Serenity" than OTL's TOS in any case--or, perhaps, more like "Stargate": lots of firepower & invading aliens.

That means you've got published works in the same vein to draw on, by the likes of John W. Campbell (used in "Thing") & Robert Heinlein (not unlike "Body Snatchers"); why would you hire some unknown airline pilot?:confused:

To get anything like OTL "TOS", you'd need a drastic change in the culture just to get it greenlit, let alone made, let alone made in a fashion remotely close. To achieve that, you need a miracle, or you need to wait for a culture change. That probably means you can't do it before 1960.
 

Flubber

Banned
Unfortunate, but most likely true


Not "most likely true", more like "entirely accurate".

So what nationalities replace Sulu and Chekov and Uhura

None. While it's only 3 years after WW2, there's no longer any need to acknowledge other nationalities as part of the allied war effort. There may be a foreigner in a comic relief role, but nothing important.

Who plays them?

Any number of B-list character actors. Hollywood is literally full of them. Which brings us to the real problem with your list: Your choice of actors.

Given the era, your list makes no sense whatsoever.

I think Marilyn stays as she is a nurse and fits the eras stereotypes

In '48 Monroe is 22 and has been under a 20th Century Fox contract for 2 years. Her work so far has basically been "Second blonde from the left" or "Pretty girl the Marx Brothers molest in their latest movie". She could be Nurse Chapel, but that role will have few if any lines and the audience will only learn her name when the read the credits.

In '48 Anthony Perkins is 16, hasn't even attended college, and isn't acting professionally yet.

In '48 Wayne, Peck, Stewart, and Grant are all old enough and have been working long enough to be cast. They are all leading men, however, proven box office draws in various genres, and there is no way in hell any studio will cast them all in the same movie. There's also no way in hell the many different studios which own their contracts will "loan" them all to a single studio for a single movie. Hollywood in '48 simply doesn't work in the manner you've assumed.

First, pick either Wayne, Peck, Stewart, or Grant as your lead. Peck or Stewart are most likely your best bets. Then fill out the rest of the crew with the myriad of B-List character actors the studios have in abundance. Any female lead will be in the movie as part of the plot and not as part of the crew.

Look at Peck's 1950 Hornblower movie. It's got Peck as the male lead, Virginia Mayo as the female lead, and a group of B-list actors you've most likely never heard of. That's what a 1948 Star Trek is going to look like.
 
a 26 year old Roddenberry is an inexperience writer who's also going around flying commercial airliners.

While his two big inspirations are still out there, he still lacks the experience at this point.

I mean, he could do his freelance writing around this point, but it'll still be a few years until he gets enough attention or tries to go around with his ideas.
 
What if Gene Roddenberry wrote Star Trek when he was 26 and it got produced as a series of films in 1948?

Initial thoughts

Captain Kirk - John Wayne
Spock - Gregory Peck
Bones - Jimmy Stewart
Scotty - Cary Grant
Sulu - Yoshio Tsuchiya
Uhura - Dorothy Dandridge
Chekov - Anthony Perkins
Nurse Chapel - Marilyn Monroe


Only with the assistance of ASBs, time travel or handwavium could OTL Gene Roddenberry write his 1960s version of Star Trek in 1948. Any "Star Trek" story Roddenberry might write in 1948 would bear no resemblance what-so-ever to the OTL one w/o such help.
 
I'm not sure the Duke would go in for sci-fi. If he did, he'd play Kirk the way he'd want to. Which means Kirk wouldn't be so lecherous. Besides, if John Wayne was going to be in Star Trek, he'd make a great Calhoun.
 
Your cast list seems fun, but the question your list answers is "What would have been awesome in 1948?" rather than "What would have happened in 1948?" If a 26-year-old with no experience pitched an idea for a movie in a genre typically reserved for B-list actors and film serials, and a studio accepted the pitch, there wouldn't be any A-listers in that movie. Regardless of who wrote it, has any A-list actor been in a science fiction film in the 1940s? Don't get me wrong. I like your ideas. It's just that the question you seem to want to ask is "What would be the best 1948 Star Trek cast" or "What is your ideal 1948 Star Trek?" and not the question you actually asked.

As for me, my ideal Star Trek would be a lot like the Buck Rogers serials, and I have no idea who I'd cast.
 
You could probably sneak Reagan in there amongst the B-listers for comedic effect, if you were so inclined.
 
I would really enjoy Star Trek movie serials. You go to the theater one week and see the crew land on a planet with a bunch of pretty ladies but it also has an ape monster that kidnaps the queen. You go in the next week and see how they rescue the princess... but it turns out she's an ape monster too. Maybe they go to two or three planets in one serial if the serial is long enough. The ape monsters could have been put there by the king of the Klingons, so the crew has to chase down the Klingons. Then six months later there's another multi-part adventure of Star Trek on a different planet with new villains.

And they can cover some series matters too. Since it starts in 1948, in a few years, they could have a really good story about a civilization destroyed by nuclear war.
 
I would really enjoy Star Trek movie serials. You go to the theater one week and see the crew land on a planet with a bunch of pretty ladies but it also has an ape monster that kidnaps the queen. You go in the next week and see how they rescue the princess... but it turns out she's an ape monster too. Maybe they go to two or three planets in one serial if the serial is long enough. The ape monsters could have been put there by the king of the Klingons, so the crew has to chase down the Klingons. Then six months later there's another multi-part adventure of Star Trek on a different planet with new villains.

And they can cover some series matters too. Since it starts in 1948, in a few years, they could have a really good story about a civilization destroyed by nuclear war.



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One should probably worry (or Hope) Ed Wood takes over the project

Also, would Hugh Hefner end up watching the serials at the Playboy Mansion and that inspire a 60's Tv series of Star Trek with Adam West as Captain Kirk?
 

nooblet

Banned
For one, a 1948 Star Trek would have been seen as too controversial to have a 'Jap' and a 'Commie' in such positions of casting back then, not to mention having a 'n##er' in the crew as well. It probably would have been banned in the South for encouraging bad race relations, along with being under scrutiny from the various red baiting spooks for having a secret communist message.

To be fair the same could have been said in the 1960s. Someone has to take the first step, and until ST few would do that, though admittedly the mid 60's was more amenable than the late 40's or the 50's.
To assuage reactionaries, the producers of the show could just say that in the future everyone agreed that everyone is American. (In TOS they were deliberately vague of just what polity the Enterprise represented during its early years for this reason, or at least that's how I remember it...)

I don't know enough about television history in the 1950's to give a good idea of how a series with the same vision as ST would do then. I'd be more worried about getting budget to do the show even at the levels TOS managed than public outcry over the racial makeup of the crew. A 1950's audience probably wouldn't attach to the series the way an audience in the 1960's would either, just from the attitudes towards sf in television at the time.
 
I'm not sure I want to envision what a movie series beginning in 1948 (obviously if it were successful it would go on for years after that) version of Trek would realistically be like, with realistic budget, realistic production values, realistic casting and politically easy-to-accept back story and implied values. Indeed there almost certainly couldn't be more than a small fraction of the boundary-pushing internationalism and lack of racism and gender integration that the Original Series managed OTL--often over the kicking and screaming of 1960s network executives. (Another battle royale Roddenberry had to fight, OTL, alongside casting women in any roles whatsoever, and casting an African-American one as an officer, was preventing the Enterprise crew from smoking cigarettes. Network executives were displeased at that too...:rolleyes:) Aside from such socio-political things, I shudder to think what the sets and props would look like on a B-movie budget.

So the OP cannot realistically hold; it's ASB.

On the other hand, as an ASB thread with the production designed for maximum awesomeness, with a deep-pockets producer determined to take the political flak and willing to shell out money for production on an A-movie scale for say 6 bimonthly episodes and blockbuster scale for an annual cliffhanger--man, that could be fun!

Agreed you can't get more than one big star (though the secondary characters might become stars!) You can't even get one big star since they are all contracted to some studio or other.

Scenario--someone from our times is ISOTed to the early 1930s. Fortunately for them they are an electrical engineer--let's say it's a man to smooth the path a bit. He demonstrates some significant advance in electronics, goes to work for RCA or someone like that, gets funding for advanced projects like solid state devices--invents an early, primitive transistor for instance. He's also politically and economically savvy, so he manages, despite contracts with corporate employers, to get a chunk of serious income and control of the inventions out of the process. Come WWII, he parleys his inventions and track record into contracts to develop some highly advanced stuff for the war effort under his own name, and emerges from the war as an electronics mini-mogul. The most advanced cutting edge tech the USA now has, somewhat shared with the British and stolen by the Russians, is now the better part of a decade more advanced than OTL. The state of the art of normal, consumer electronic tech is significantly ahead of OTL too, and is about to be transformed by this guy's wholesale marketing of solid-state systems--radios, then televisions, and other stuff. He's not the only one in this business but he's the leader. By 1948 he's making money hand over fist.

He's determined to do some good in the world (beyond helping the Allies win the war somewhat earlier as happened) with his wealth and influence. He happens to have been a Star Trek fan before being ISOTed. So at this point, he funds an independent studio of his own to realize the dream. He obviously has to take Roddenbery's place as auteur of course! But I daresay in 1948 he could recruit a whole slew of top-notch actors, directors, craftsmen and technicians no one has ever heard of OTL (or did, but wouldn't until later).

As for the politics of casting an African-American woman as com officer (Dorothy Dandridge might indeed be available, and might be the most famous name he has on the marquee!:p), having a young lieutenant from Leningrad, and so forth--1948 might actually be a better year for that than 1964. Or no worse. 1954 would be the worst time. The Cold War was a political phenomenon and getting the ball rolling took some time in the West. In 1948 a lot more leftist opinions had a larger accepting audience than just a few years later. The same goes for feminism--by 1948, the backlash against women in public positions Betty Friedan describes in The Feminine Mystique was getting rolling but it had just begun. As for race relations--I will admit, by 1964 several factors had made assertions of racial equality as America's new norm or at any rate goal more defensible against the white supremacists. Several key Supreme Court decisions had by then undermined the legitimacy of Jim Crow and legal segregation--not however yet Virginia v Loving, which struck down miscegenation laws--that wouldn't happen until Trek had gone off the air, or at any rate not until the middle of the third season! So the "interracial kiss" scene between Kirk and Uhura was actually still criminal at the time it aired in many markets!:rolleyes:

What I'm suggesting is, a private backer with deep pockets and an uncompromising vision that Jim Crow had to end and Americans could and would embrace multinationalism and interracialism within a generation, and women's lib into the bargain--could get a story that pushes the boundaries in 1948 put onto film--and there would be audiences that would be glad he did. Alongside them, if he's clever at not slapping the public norms in the face at every turn but instead getting stuff in under the radar, will be others who didn't think of themselves as pinkos but come for the tech spectacle--and leave, some of them, wistfully wondering why today can't be more like that imaginary future.

I'm not saying that one sci-fi series can transform the American mentality en masse. I'm suggesting that the conformity of the 1950s actually was a facade that masked a much greater diversity of thought and opinion than was deemed respectable, and that one SF series might become a rallying point for progressively minded people to stand up and be counted.

If our ISOTed mogul does cast Dorothy Dandrige as Uhura, the films probably won't be shown in many states. If he ever has her kiss some white guy--they might actually become felonous, or at least some kind of misdemeanor incitement to crime, in perhaps a majority of states at this time.

But if the series can establish some popularity, enough to pay the bills, and gain some allies in some key audiences, he might be able to hold off, by being strategic which markets he releases the film to.

A big stumbling block, by the way, is that in the golden age of film movie theaters were not independent operations--they were associated with a particular studio, generally. It might be very difficult for him to find venues in which the movies can be shown in most of the country, quite aside from being controversial.

It is a tall order, but I like imagining what the "awesomeness over all" version of Trek might have been like in the 1950s. Since it requires a time traveller or other prescient, I'd sadly say this is the wrong forum for it.
 
To be fair the same could have been said in the 1960s. Someone has to take the first step, and until ST few would do that, though admittedly the mid 60's was more amenable than the late 40's or the 50's.
To assuage reactionaries, the producers of the show could just say that in the future everyone agreed that everyone is American. (In TOS they were deliberately vague of just what polity the Enterprise represented during its early years for this reason, or at least that's how I remember it...)

I don't know enough about television history in the 1950's to give a good idea of how a series with the same vision as ST would do then. I'd be more worried about getting budget to do the show even at the levels TOS managed than public outcry over the racial makeup of the crew. A 1950's audience probably wouldn't attach to the series the way an audience in the 1960's would either, just from the attitudes towards sf in television at the time.

1950's TV shows were totally the product of one sponsor. As related by Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone Companion some of these sponsors were paranoid about other products being mentioned to the point of insanity: "You couldn't ford a river if Chevy was your sponsor." This is why One Step Beyond (1959-1961) is more properly known as Alcoa Presents: One Step Beyond. Even in the early 1960s when Twilight Zone was made sponsors still had a lot of control regarding content.

Serling related in Twilight Zone Companion how the drink the captain of a ship had to be changed to accommodate the sponsor and joked if the sponsor had realized that people could drink water that the episode could have wound up taking place on dry land! :D

It wasn't until the mid 1960s that the network rather then the sponsor dictated content.

Also the first US sci fi show on TV was Captain Video and His Video Rangers (1949-1955) followed by the likes of Tom Corbett, Space Cadet (1950–55), and Space Patrol (1950–55) and give a good idea what a 1948 Star Trek TV show would have looked like.

More over these shows were like radio and broadcast live with only a few hours to learn scripts. Captain Video even had a bit regarding racism. It could be said taken together these shows were the Star Trek of their day and unlike Star Trek they enjoyed high ratings until they went off the air.
 
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katchen

Banned
I can see how Gene Rodenberry could make a Star Trek movie in the 1950s. And then another. And another.
Easy.
Produce them in Japan in Japanese for a Japanese audience.:):). Then dub them into English later for US and UK and Aussie audiences.
Remember the Gojira (anglicized to Godzilla) movies, and it's spinoffs, Rodan and Mothra? How in those movies, Japanese and American astronauts were shown working together harmoniously for the good of all humanity on space ships?
That's not too far from Gene Roddenberry's Starfleet. And these movies came out in the 1950s and early 1960s. This is how the Japanese fantasized cooperation with the US under the US-Japan Security Treaty evolving.
So yes, I can see some Japanese sponsors financing Staru Trekku. Maybe even the Soka Gakkai when they get ahead in members and money.
 
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