Stalins War

Recently I have envisioned a different, but not totally dissimilar WWII from the OTL. Right now this is just a big idea but I will be wanting to clear it up into a serious timeline.

Some POD's,working on the Timeline atm.

*Hitler and other Nazi leaders are killed or exiled in the 1920's after the failed Munich Coup.

*Nazism fails in Germany, Communism gains ground in elections of 1933. To prevent a Communist takeover Hindenburg puts the Army in charge upon his deathbed.

*Stalin does not purge the Red Army in the 1930's.

*Factions advocating an alliance with Soviets take control of Japanese Government, Sino-Soviet Pact stuns world in 1939.

*Soviets broker cease fire in China, Japan gains concessions.

*Spain becomes Communist, Yugoslavia in Revolution

*United Kingdom organizes a series of Alliances to face down the Soviets. Weimer Germany and UK ally after France falls into isolationism.

The Timeline will feature a alternate WWII between the Allies and the Communists. Some major/interesting differences I envision at this point.

+ German Army structure will be different from OTL. Without Nazi influence will be less mobile and more infantry intensive. Many familiar faces like: Jodl, Keitel, Model and Rommel will not be present.

+Japan will have significantly more forces to fight in the Pacific and in India as forces will be freed up from China. Likewise resources will not be as much of a problem.

+Anti-Communism will make U.S. far more eager to join War.

+War will feature extensive battles in the Middle East, Persia, India the Balkans and Alaska as well as the traditional WWII battlefields.



Blue: Allies
Light Blue: Countries with mutual assistance treaties with Allies.
Dark Red: Soviet Alliance (Alliance of Revolutionary Peoples)
Lighter Red: Japanese Empire (Allied yet to be a combatant)

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*Factions advocating an alliance with Soviets take control of Japanese Government, Sino-Soviet Pact stuns world in 1939.
Sino=China... who are you talking about?

*Soviets broker cease fire in China, Japan gains concessions.



*United Kingdom organizes a series of Alliances to face down the Soviets. Weimer Germany and UK ally after France falls into isolationism.


+War will feature extensive battles in the Middle East, Persia, India the Balkans and Alaska as well as the traditional WWII battlefields.
Im having trouble with the bolded issues. Also might want to change Japan's color it looks too close to the Soviets. PLus remember that Germany will end up becoming extremely unstable and the rest of Europe might have a freak out moment.

Has potential to be interesting though!
 
I'd come up with a somewhat similar idea ... a WWII where the Soviet Union was the aggressor, but had to shelve it in favor of other stuff. Hope you follow through on this.
 
Isn’t that asking Stalin not to be Stalin?
Oh yeah a point should be made about that. No purge means you get a bunch of old coots running the Red Army. Less than ideal in the short term, a disaster in the long term, as skilled generals in rl will take longer to reach their historical positions and they will have less experence in those positions.

Alternativly you can have a purge of high level elements but leave lower and middle levels alone.
 

Cook

Banned
Oh yeah a point should be made about that. No purge means you get a bunch of old coots running the Red Army.

I don’t think anyone ever accused Marshal Tukhachevskii of being an old Coot.

And no purge of the Red Army, and I assume of Soviet industry as well would have given you a much stronger Soviet Union.

But it would have been asking Stalin to, well, not be Stalin. It is asking a paranoid megalomaniac to not consolidate his power against his only potential threat.
 
I don’t think anyone ever accused Marshal Tukhachevskii of being an old Coot.

And no purge of the Red Army, and I assume of Soviet industry as well would have given you a much stronger Soviet Union.

But it would have been asking Stalin to, well, not be Stalin. It is asking a paranoid megalomaniac to not consolidate his power against his only potential threat.
Reviewing the record, it looks like you were correct. It appears that while the highest rankings of the Soviet Union wasnt the capitalist crushing communist dream team, it was actually pretty good and it turns out Stalin did in fact pretty much eliminate his best marshals, and the military would be better with them not purged.

Well this is going to be a fun war! (To watch)
 

Eurofed

Banned
Interesting TL project. Anti-Soviet WWII with no Nazis and a SovJap Axis is certainly one of the most strategically fascinating and plausible WI of the period.

However, there are some aspects of your projects that look very unplausible and need to be addressed:

- It makes Eurofed a very sad panda to assume that no Nazis means no Anschluss. Separate interwar Austria only existed against the wishes of the vast majority of the German and Austrian peoples, and because of the diktat of France, Britain, and Italy. The moment those powers become friendly to Germany and remove their veto, the Anschluss is going to happen with flying colors, regardless of whether Weimar, the Nazis, the army, or sane right-wingers are in charge in Berlin. The only non-ASB plausible case of no Anschluss would be if Germany goes Red and Austria White, or vice versa.

- The dearly-felt irredentist claims of the German people against Czechoslovakia and Poland aren't going to go away if Hitler is kept away from power. With an Anglo-German alliance, Munich is totally going to happen, if in a form more respectful of democracy (a plebiscite followed by peaceful transfer of Sudetenland to Germany) unless Czechoslovakia defies it by siding with the Soviets. The choice between siding with the Allies, which implies the loss of the Sudetes but protection from Communism, and siding with the Soviets, which makes the breakup of Czechoslovakia and satellitization or even annexation by Germany with Allied blessing quite likely in case of war (the Slovaks aren't going to take the alliance with Moscow in stride), depends on the political balance between left-wingers and right-wingers, Germanophobes and Russophobes, in Prague. Both outcomes can happen.

- Likewise, the Corridor is going to be a big wedge between Germany and Poland in the same alliance. A Munich II conference to give Danzig, the Corridor and Upper Silesia back to Germany is totally in the cards with an Anglo-German alliance. Given Polish-Soviet enimity, Poland would have no alternative options, and may reluctantly comply. Given the
attitudes of nationalist nterwar Polish leadership weren't exactly rational to begin with, a limited German-Polish war with German victory after Polish isolationist defiance is quite possible. This would turn Poland into a Allied satellite, and restore the 1807 or 1914 border. An aggressive Russia is totally going to exploit the opportunity to invade the Kresy, however, even without an agreement with Germany. This could be the spark for WWII, or at least further increase the tensions between the Allies and the *Axis. Successful annexation of the Kresy is certainly going to make Stalin bolder in Eastern Europe, with aggressions on Finland, the Baltic states, and Romania. If Cezchoslovakia goes with the Soviets, however, the likelihood that POland accepts Munich II increases significantly, as they would feel encircled.

- Likewise, the lack of both Italy and France in the anti-Communist alliance wanders into ASB. I'm going to address France below, but about Italy: there is no way that Mussolini with this map of Europe would not be frantically pester Berlin and London until they grant him admittance in their Pact. Iberia and Yugoslavia going Red would freak out fascist Italy, and no way that Mussollini would not join an anti-Communist pact with the two most powerful European nations for protection, glory and plunder (this TL is a perfect opportunity for Italy to tear hated Yugoslavia apart with the support of Europe). An Italian military and economy that gets support from Britain and Germany since the 1930s and avoid the effort of the SCW can make Italy as efficient at WWII warmaking as the other European powers, which thought respectfully of Italian military power in the 1930s. So Berlin and London would want Italy onboard, too. If London is freaked about Communist expansion in Europe, it is totally going to look the other way when Rome settles some old grudges in Ethiopia. Please adjust your map and scenario accordingly.

-For similar reasons, the lack in the Allies of a Hungary and/or Romania that are trapped between Soviet Russia and Red Yugoslavia defies reason. Hungary would both want protection and an opportunity to tear Yugoslavia apart with the blessing of Europe, and Romania would be scared of Communist encirclement. There are going to be tensions between Hungary and Romania about Transylvania, but fear of Commie encirclement could keep them under wraps, or perhaps the Allies bargain a compromise akin to the Second Vienna Award. Please adjust your map and scenario accordingly.

- About France, their going isolationist and uncaring of the growing Commie threat in Europe with Iberia going Red on their border is quite low-probability. I can find it plausible only in the case that a strongly left-wing coalition (even more radical than the Popular Front) is at power in France and diplomatically friendly to the Soviets. This could keep the French away from the Anti-Communist Pact. However it would also throw Britain, Germany, and Italy even closer together, and you can bet your shirt that a) France is left terribly instable and in the throes of civil strife, with the right-wingers freaked out about revolution in France and in arms to oust the Commie-lovers. A coup or civil war are totally in the cards. b) Britain, Germany, and Italy are pouring abundant support to the French right-wingers and contingency plans for the combined invasion of France if it ever goes Red are drafted by the Allies. I would predict that after some political convulsions, perhaps a coup or a civil war, and at the most a brief Red phase followed by a blitzkrieg Allied invasion, France does eventually join the Allies.

- Greece is even more likely than OTL to have a right-wing swing after a coup or civil war and plead for admittance to the Allies for protection from the Soviet-Yugoslav bloc. Turkey, too, would be very likely to join the Allies if the Soviets turn aggressive. A civil war similar to the post-WWII OTL one is possible if the Soviets support Greek Commies across the Yugoslav border, but the Allies are sure to pour abundant support to the Greek Whites, which are therefore most likely to win. If there is a Red insurrection in Greece, Turkey is even more likely to join the Allies.

- Why hyper-neutral Switzerland in the Allies when much more likely members are missing ?
 
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well , a timeline would be perfect, but Portugal would never be comunist by that time, it had a right wing dictactorship, Salazar hated comunism and PIDE would never allow comunist to rise, and the Army is also rightwing,not countig the Catolic Church. Spain maybye,but i doutb that the Spanish army would stay quiet:)
 

The Vulture

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Looks interesting. Could you explain why you have Portugal siding with the Soviets? In OTL conditions I just don't see it.
 
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